Or remove DoT spread completely and reduce the dmg reduction on FL from 25% to 15% and make a surge bonus to dots?

First what server are you in? Second Madness is great in pvp personally I love the spec and I main it. If you're on bastion hit me up I'm Kaivol.

I have 2 builds, none with alacrity, Umm I got 25%Crit, 75% Surge and stack power/ OR I do 20% Crit/ 75%Surge, and stack power. Both work well I tend to do better with the 25%crit one tho.

That's because open world pvp gives us nothing but a smile when you smash someone in the face that looked at you funny. Open world pvp gives nothing of value to progress your character, so why open world pvp if you get nothing. Thats how I think.

For pve perhaps I don't do pve but for pvp madness isn't so bad, just gotta know what to do and when.

Well said brother, I want to do damage and a lot of it, not AoE dot damage not tickling the enemy with FL I want to bash someone's face in from the inside out and shock the hell out of emm.

Umm I don't want to play a dps spec to heal my self >.> if I wanted to get a lot of self heals I'd go to corruption.

I agree with a lot of the ideas thrown out here, Bioware if you do listen to us listen now. Madness is a laughing stock of pvp and pve. If you want to balance classes listen to these people who basically said everything I wanted to say. I'm a madness supporter, I DO NOT WANT TO PLAY LIGHTNING, I want madness and if I'm paying $15 a month since launch I think its only fair I get my spec that is at least good for what I do. kai'serevin - level 60 Sorc, Jung Ma*

Don't quote me on this but I believe its gonna be like before 25% crit chance, 75% surging/crit multi, and as much power you can stack. I mean I'm not sure but it would seem like that and I heard you might need to slap some accuracy on too not sure

I know I might get shot down for saying this but I feel like madness lost its touch. I mean FL 33% faster cast yay, but the 25% dmg reduction, what in the hell? The dots themselves do the same dmg as FL now and burst is utterly gone. I used to hit 1.8k FL tick no problem now I'm hitting 688 at max with 1.2k crit every once and awhile. I truly think they should remove the dmg reduction on FL but keep the 33% or if not that increase dot dmg because I'm hitting a lot of numbers at the end screen but get faced rolled, I don't know, this is just how I feel madness lost its burst for more self heals which pisses me the hell off. Not to mention FL is cast turret skill which means you stand in one place asking to be attacked because of a flashing light coming from you is like a beacon for you to die, risk reward is ****. Just saying I do enjoy the class its where it needs to be but you have to add in the fact you still the squishy little **** ever, I love madness and what it was before 3.0 now I'm on edge with performance in 1v1 for 3,0. I mean yeah it gets high dmg in the end game score because of spread of dots but 1v1 you arn't spreading ****. I believe it should be fixed but that is just me I don't care if it doesn't its just something to think about.

If I may merging might be a bad idea I mean look at the last merge they had, everyone hated it and forced people who were comfortable with their server community get forced into another one with mix communities and chaos ensued. So a server merge is the last thing we need because if you disagree with me or not I can care less the server merge they had made people leave as stupid as it might sound people left because of stupid management of keeping things together and I will say it. BIOWARE F'ED UP. They panicked and said here lets do this and watch. Server merging ques seems more reasonable as they CAN do it but refuse to because of they are being whipped by EA saying encourage buying server transfers for a $18 fee (1800 Cartel points). So saying that they should do it isn't going to get us anywhere. If you want **** done you do a orderly protest and threaten to stop playing and paying for their product and EA and Bioware will be like oh **** and have two choices, do what we asked in the first place and add some sugar on top, OR shut down swtor. Trust me they will lean more towards add it because they still have years to milk this game of all the cash we throw at them. So like in real life government if you want something done, protest in a way they can't ignore you or throw you out.

Scoundrel and op heals are by far the best in the game if you can't heal on them being they are the easiest of the healer classes, make a different class with a different role as healing for you will not go.

A knock down would be nice but whats worth the knock down with its 2 second cast time? Instant Cast Thundering Blast would be preferable as the other classes are out dpsing us and can kill us before our rotation is complete, Instant cast now looks a bit better then 1 second cast but I wouldn't have a problem with 1 second cast Thunder Blast as well. Not only Thundering Blast should be buffed and changed to see the needs for sorcs, but living is an issue, seeing as Guardians and Juggs now have a second life ability they can not only out dps us and take down or hold 2+ people alone, adding the defensive cooldowns they have. we need better defensive cooldowns, to be honest I don't find Force barrier a defensive cooldown I see it as a bite in the *** every time I use it because it just making the end last longer and a waste, remove Force barrier and give a better cooldown that makes sense and or replace it with a damage boost ability thats makes all our damage increase 50% and ignores armor and shields. Just do something Bioware that can make sorcs feared again and a playable class because at his point I don't see sorcs as a threat at all and are easy kills and a downer for the entire group/ops/warzone. Being a fully Obroan Geared and fully augmented level 55 sorc I find it hard to continue playing this class or this game unless you stop worrying about the stupid Cartel Market items and start improving game quality, and yes that means listen to the players and BALANCE all the classes and start thinking of a new expansion and new races/ classes to choose from make the game subscribtion based again throw EA out the door and start growing a pair, make this game rival World of Warcraft and regain your reputation. I love Star Wars and I'm not the only one and god knows that these people will forever hate you for messing up a good idea for Star Wars and allowing whats going on now to continue to destroy a once amazing story. I'm not saying this because I'm a sorc and I'm mad at the fact the class is easy to shut down and easy to kill I have 6 other 55's I play but I want sorcs to be a good class as it was the first class I used to play the game since Launch and stop choosing flavor of the month classes and make everyone equal.

Thundering Blast even tho its a awesome looking ability has to long of a cast time to even be equal its potential damage, I believe the cast time should be reduced to at least 1 second or close to it so its has pvp capability. Lightning Strike needs a boost in base damage as well its to low for a 1.5 cast time and force lightning does that damage plus some in 3 seconds so lightning strike our main ability needs a boost. Same with Barrier more absorb and a damage reduction for 5 to 7 seconds after its bursts to equal damage taken to help survive.

Either instant cast with longer cooldown with 10-12 seconds or make the cast 1 second cast so the facerollers don't feel to sad about being screwed in the face for attacking the sorc in the first place and have a chance to interrupt, also Static Barrier should give a 6 second damage reduction like 15% to 20%, also increase base damage of lightning strike because 1.7k-1.9k is a bit low in in my opinion and in some others as well. Also Shock is meager base damage I hit for 1.2k-1.6k and crits for 2k-3k crit, MEAGER, Less long cast times that can be interrupted every time you try to cast an ability, Also Polarity Shift should have a cool-down equal to Recklessness 1 minute and 30 seconds. Thundering Blast should be a feared ability if allowed to be cast at a target and rightfully it should for its suppose to be you most powerful and best ability, I have no issues with chain lighting as it does good damn for a AOE instant cast with TB and Lighting Strike, as for shock maybe with lightning Strike putting a debuff on the target making him get hit harder by Shock with 10%-15% more damage, as a stationary force caster and having little to no armor or damage reduction some mobility is required to stay alive and as being a weak but hard hitting target you should hit like a truck when its needed to fight off assaults, as of right now in patch 2.8 Shien warriors and Knights can force charge and do master strike/ Ravage can nearly one shot or damn near kill you and 1 or 2 more abilities kill you shutting you down with little to no effort at all!, Sorcs/sages need a buff and needs one now for being a "master of the force" you should be atleast living up to the name.

SWTOR is nothing like world of warcraft or rift its new and built from foot to head,so please stop with the wow and rift connections, anyway i agree to the lfg tool because i hate not lvling siting in a station waiting for someone to start a group or someone to join my group.

World of Warcraft? Their servers crashed every minute so no one would be able to log in so all you nubs QQing let BW work and shut the heck up about ur wait times, if its so long join anather server with no wait time cuz i saw a few and just play that for awhile god all u babys QQing its launch exspect large problems.

Why are u guys crying? This is a launch u idiots, its just the begining of a game that maybe half the world wants to play... exspect lots of players logging in the game. I had to wait a hour to play the game and im not crying. I mean really guys i understand ur pain that u want to play really bad but face it BW is working as hard as they can to make everything work out, now give them a chance to! P.S. STOP QQING NUBS!