There are many other examples of manipulation but I did not want to make the post too long. Now on approval in the current game for leveling a new character? It does not matter anymore everyone gets the conversations after plot points something I am thankful for. Since to me it did not make much sense stuffing gifts in companions faces to make them talk to you and now the conversations flow better. Khem val you may think I am weak and a rubbish sith but you will take this SKULL AND LOVE ME! (I wonder whats going happen in the expansion for those who got rid of him I don't know why anyone would since he is such a bro/bodyguard for a DS character.) Mako you may think I am a murdering psychopath but take this slicing kit and adore me! *sigh* The nice thing is now everyone can see Ashara's conversations without needing gifts costing in the millions to max out. I bet all those LS inquisitors who did not use her and DS inquisitors are relieved. One thing I hope for is that they conclude her Arc because she STILL has not admitted she has fallen to the dark side one thing I hope for if you are LS you help sort out her problems and return her to the light or DS you finally make her fall and get her to embrace being a sith. Since her conversations ended at her admitting "Peace is a lie" and then class stories got axed and my PC wallet weeped greatly at the missing credits. Approval is now used correctly in the fact that the companions just fight harder with you since now they like you more via the presence buff and it affects crafting that's it. Approval only effects the new companions in the story. I just think he does not view the sith warrior as an equal hence why he gets annoyed at them somewhat.

Not that I am aware of because I missed a romance flag with a certain female soooo I am leveling another sith inquisitor. Don't see a way to restart plus bioware are sticking to the mantra "choices matter" in this expansion so restarting would go against that so I don't think such an option exists. Anyway its rather nice experimenting with choices and such and trying out the new leveling

Agreed, now I believe it stopped working soon as sidious killed his master in his sleep, yes I went there.

Ahem that was a typo apologies. The gifts is more of a game play mechanic and how much approval they get for it for example khem val even if you make a DS choice he will get less approval than say Xalek because you got him at the start of the game. It's like that with all companions check it out with T3 for the jedi knight its the same. Even vette for the sith warrior its not about the narrative its about when you got them because you have them for the longest time. Hence why someone like Xalek gives loads of approval with gifts and dialogue because you get him late in the game since it is meant to help you catch up in approval compared to the companions you got earlier hence why the values for them are all different. Don't you notice on other classes its the same when its approval and disapproval? T3 gives me like -1-10 for a lot of dark decisions does that mean the jedi knight is meant to be DS? While lets say scourge the man just leaks approval like ashara with every aggressive and dark side choice? Heck no its because he is your last companion and making his approval like t3 means you would never max him by the end if you use him soon as you get him. Now ashara? Do note she is the only companion in the game where gifts absolutely don't work with her unless you are romancing her via courting gifts. Or have you not heard stories of female inquisitors DS or LS having trouble raising her approval via gifts? Same with an unromanced male hence people said to farm Belsavis dalies to raise her approval. So this argument in my opinion does not work since the person who actually has the easiest time raising her approval is a male inquisitor DS or LS when romancing her via courting gifts. She is the only one who has the gift problem while its normal for everyone else. Well approval no longer matters anyway since companion conversations advance by the story not by approval anymore. So yay companion conversations for everyone! Still I don't know how you have the idea that gifts and approval points point to how well implemented a path is I personally consider the opposite with a LS inquisitor from a narrative standpoint in my opinion. So I disagree here. Now on being a DS inquisitor don't know how you are playing your inquisitor since my DS inquisitor is far from that I count many times where DS options are you outright lying and deceiving other people. Or even using cunning hell I recall Taris where you are outright manipulating a padawan into doing what you want. Then the story goes lol nope afterwards but that's a different discussion. But I guess many people forget that. While LS is you more being about using "coorperation, helping others in order to get what you want majority of the time and being about unity and truth. Not deceiving them. While DS would threaten or shock the person if they refuse like most sith would or lie to get what they want. Plus you don't even have to murder someone for "no reason" most of the time since there is normally other options available to you which leads into another dark side choice. If you pick those choices that's on you. So if you play your your dark side character as a mindless psychopath(which is something I also dislike since Darth Traya is my favorite sith) that's your progotive just like how I don't like when people play pure LS its not believable in my opinion and makes you come across as a moron LS or DS. Now the expansion? Well since I heard bad things from people I trust greatly I was not inclined to take my LS inquisitor into the expansion. Since I know LS inquisitors who hate the empire and LS inquisitors who have no desire to rule the galaxy. Then bioware turned and went heeeey you totally want to rule the galaxy and take over the empire with your dialogue options. Like the sun machine saving the people of zakuul since they might be "your" people one day instead of doing it because its right. I looked at that I was quite concerned and from what people told me I personally feel I am correct. Now marr? He remarks in a similar manner to the sith warrior if you pick the LS option my LS inquisitor did not do it here because the republic can easily with hold information if we let them have him. I just assumed he said the same thing to the inquisitor which he does not. Then they should give the inquisitor the neutral title as I said since I recall the point of it was that no one has any idea what you would do or what your motives are. Which leaves it more open like the JC not mentioning whether you are on the council. Anyway I don't see this heading anywhere and this is drifting off topic.

Ok now to get on topic sorry about that. Now after testing the boosted 60's my conclusion how they can give that title to SI when they start neutral? I say for the sake of the player they should of gave them their neutral title. So the inquisitor just one day woke up and decided to be evil all the way to neutral after getting their imperius title? Yet bioware said empire is DS and republic is LS well you gotta show that in the game bioware. I tried it on a jedi councilor not one mention of being on the jedi council on their profile sooo they were dark side? Maybe? Yet many councilors say that dark side makes absolutely no sense in the narrative. I conclude their boosted stuff is quite bad. Ahem now Jaesa? If they kept to republic is LS and empire is DS she is going to be dark side, now in my opinion? Don't take it seriously since its that bad you are better off leveling a new character in my opinion plus you get your nice shiny titles. Plus setting up your own past choices and it does not take long to level I was level 50 on hoth.

Dude the man hates minor compassion just as much as you being cowardly. Plus the approval points is more of a game play mechanic considering the number is because of when you get the companion. His disapproves more if you are light side since majority of the time you are avoiding confrontation and displaying weakness. Likes: Killing Force users, displays of strength, making foolish people unhappy (These two things the DS inquisitor does in abundance hence why its so easy gaining approval with him( Dislikes: Weakness in any form, not killing Force users You being nice in any form, you avoiding confrontation and being peaceful and making nice which is majority of the LS actions he downright hates you I know I have done it. He has a conversation on your alignment if I recall if you are LS he views you as being weak and demands and explanation. If you are DS he likes you but he thinks you are reaching too far too quickly which would end up you being killed. Honestly the reason why I don't like the LS run since most of the time it feels too much like an afterthought had the same feeling with my Dark Jedi. I am going to be that guy but he does pause for a second before he is willing to back down perhaps because you are also a dark council member. I see your point though, hmm maybe he does not view the Wrath as an equal hence why its different.

To me when I did it on my sith warrior his tone of voice sounded annoyed just like how Satele is cross when she does not get her way and if you are republic she is concerned with why did you allow it. Well people have different opinions as always. Plus being LS 1 at shadow of revan I feel is pretty crazy considering how many decisions you go through people roleplay different ways but I find it incredibly hard to have a character at dark 1 or light 1 by SOR. As I said before agree to disagree.

I doubt this because the plot states he is getting weaker and his power is weaker also. Plus if he wanted to take your body considering how you do your options he could do it at any time. I think he has an ulterior motive I feel he is preparing the outlander for "something".

LS companions bribed? The only one who could be bribed is the darn pirate and it seems to me he enjoys murdering people more than anything. Khem out right states if he views you weak he will eat you and the only reason that does not happen is because of plot. Xalek is a crazy sith zealot he would most likely crush you if you suggest such a thing. Looking at the companions at face value the majority are DS. You have you Archelogist is pretty much a normal human being in terms of morality and I am still suprised he is still alive considering the artifacts that you are dealing with. Plus you have a delusional impure jedi who gets called out she is no longer one and she still does not believe it *shakes fist* great LS leaning companions there right? As I said the reason why I can't play a LS inquisitor is because the narrative just does not work for me. You have options where you want to change the empire, You have options where you are committing outright treason/you hate the empire. Plus the sheer amount of weakness that you display the only reason you are alive is because of plot. The expansion proves it further considering a lot of LS inquisitors I know/talked to are mad that a lot of the dialogue options are you acting DS and stating things like you want to rule the galaxy. I hold the same opinion with the sith warrior by the way sooo its agree to disagree. Now on SOR Actually depending on your alignment and darth title he says something different. If you are imperius he says he can count on you because you are truly loyal to the empire. While DS is about you always out destroying its enemies. Neutral I don't know because I never done it and consider being neutral as being bipolar in terms of the plot About the light choice dealing with the imperial guard in SOR if you are empire and pick the light choice he sounds annoyed. Considering how heavily he says perspective. The point of the scene is that both side's wishes to handle them their way.

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Er no Big E calls her out she is an impure jedi aka she has fallen she is just being bloody delusional about it and a plot point that still angers me to this day. Since class stories are axed we can't make her go all the way. We ended her companion conversations at her admitting peace is a lie. If I can't fully convert her in the expansion she is going to end up a corpse. Also Lana light side? Never. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA to quote the jedi knight to the imperial mole. "Lana may seem like a nice sith but if she finds out she will eviscerate you." She is just more of the pragmatic/realistic and cold logic kind of sith and is still all about hatred and such remember the poor droid on the ship? Plus the Zakuul knight.

Eh I refuse to use an instant 60 for my sith characters I want my Darth title and personally who cares what title they use for the sith inquisitor. There is no canon anyway just play the story. Well that's how you choose to play your inquisitor you can still be dark side with a few light points here and there I imagine most sith have a few light points . If you roleplay your DS inquisitor as a moron that is your prerogative. Hell You can say that for either alignment for example I consider a LS inquisitor moronic because I can count a number of times were you commit outright treason and wonder how they got off scout free it seems the plot just dodges around these issues. Plus the only reason why you are alive most of the time is because of plot armor since most sith would of been outright destroyed. Plus wondering why Khem val has not eaten you yet. Plus majority of your crew are psychopaths or sociopaths save Talos which does not really "fit" a light inquisitor. Oh when Marr states why he likes the dark inquisitor since they spend majority of their time destroying the enemies of the empire instead of murdering sith and involving yourself in the infighting. Unlike some other council members who QQ about random stuff. If you pick light options in the intro with Marr he disapproves and he is quite good at torture going by SOR.

Yup, the point of the scene bioware made it humorous but if you thought about it, this shows that all three of them truly don't know big E at all.

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Quite easy the emperor turned the PC into a child of the emperor they note to be turned into one you just have to be bought before him and if you kneel he does some ritual on you. Well the ritual happens either if you bow or not so yeah. Someone bought forth that theory and after seeing the kneel cut scene it makes sense and the fact that you can wield his power as well. Plus Vaylin notes their dad has a new "favorite". I do think the PC is the fourth child. If we knew what Nahut symbolizes that would help but rage easily is Vaylin, Passion is Thexan and Envy is Arcann. Plus the way Senya treats you and her personality is quite eeer "Motherly"

If they do that I will start another topic. I mean it.

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Bioware did state that they are trying to convert our characters DS and LS with this story. Still my character is more in line with Lana mindset so it does not bother me. It's just that all those diplomacy missions made me dark V

Yeah Talos does state it if you are an alien. I mean when the original dark jedi landed there must of been a few aliens that came long with them right? I mean Jedi weren't only humans back then I think.

Whats wrong with the beards in the game? Well people have different opinions. Does not change the fact that the current corruption looks bad and the fact that bioware gave the new npc's proper sith eyes that destroy the PC's ones in terms of quality and the fact it looks canon.

I hope not, made it one of my points that I don't want that but my cynical side is saying they are most likely going to do this, but I will hope we get a dark side corruption update. I mean seriously the dark side corruption needs an update, it looks bad and the eyes are just wat, plus it does not help its non canon.

That's why I play only near human aliens and humans on my sith inquisitor Rattaki and twi'lek is ehhhh. Talos does state that Kallig was the race the player character is but I stick with my mantra it feels better.

Are you aware of what this topic is about? I am asking for a dark side corruption update along with it having proper canon sith eyes you know the yellow with the red ring. Not for red and orange hell my topic is against that nonsense I don't know what they were thinking adding red eyes for dark V.

Problem is its not a good pic and most likely an old build when they showed it. Since Vaylins eyes have a lot more detail to em they are the standard yellow in higher detail along with a high detail red ring. Bioware even went out of their way to put red veins there as well. Looking at Vaylins and Lana'a eyes in the expansion puts the current ones to shame plus they glow in low light.

To me they don't, they just look plain yellow/red and you are really telling me that the current sith eyes are on Lana's level in the expansion? Dude putting both together its staggering in my opinion in terms of detail and the red ring if you look at them in game.