Pve or mis out , spoken like a pver , play my way. Why not remove all crafting drops from there pve, so they have to PvP to craft. See how dumb that sounds. Pvp to craft deal with it .

I'm with you. On most of it. They still have a chance before this game joins war rift aion and all the rest that think a clone of wow will work. If all the failed mmos over the last 4-7 years show any thing its that a MMO hast to have both good PvP and pve . PvP large fights 100 vs 100 with faction owned baces like DAoC has that run smooth. Pve with hard , omg hard , and your flipping kidding hard for the raid nuts. Mix DAoC with SWTOR with some very very hard raids and gg. If they can get it to run smooth.

With a comment like that I don't know if your trolling, or never played a true PvP game, or you think wow, rift, SWTOR has a PvP game in it. At any rate you might think about making your self one as your nits if you think this is pvp.

This, SWTOR or any other game like it has no pvp. It has a slap in the face. If you think this is PvP you have not played a true PvP game. UO, DAoC, Shadowbane=even full of bugs was a better PvP game. Wz are not pvp.

Well iv bin playing MMO since 97, I have a very good idea what it takes. Pve is ok for a fresh new game. Its more then most get at the start. PvP is complete fail. War, rift, AoC (balance) , many more and soon to be SWTOR. All failed. Ask your self what SWTOR can do to stop from joining that list. As if they don't do something they will be on it. Say no all you like, so did the war, rift, AoC , and all the others. It didn't help them as the games died any way but your welcome to say we k.ow nothing. Good luck with that.

July would be good , hell knowing they where working on something even remotely like tgis would be. Bring back subs , I think it might. With a solid.PvP system I think my guild would come back.

Most if not all of this would need to be a xpac, no getting around it. They need something , we all know they do. Cost of the xpac vs the cost of subs we all see dropping . It's worth this xpec to me any ways. In the end we need something like this , its up to BW to listen and us to speak up. Pve and PvP as most do both at least to some degree. Keep it up and this alive , they just might see it.

What? Lol wow was trash at launch. SWTOR is dieing , wow has nothing to do with it. SWTOR is ding because BW/EA has no clue it seams. ToA in DAoC mythic War EA/Mythic UO EA The list of games EA has jacked up is longer but I think you get the point. SWTOR has from a pvpers poi.t of view a grate pve system. But the PvP is a joke . EA could of added a DAoC PvP system that players would of loved , we got Illum , just sad. 2 faction system after what they seen in war. They knew the war team was bad but used them any ways. You would have to be brain dead as a developer, producer to not see that war died because of the dev team. My question is why would Ea use a dev team that added ToA to DAoC the xpac that killed that game. move them to war and let them kill it before it even got off of the ground, then have that same team do pv in SWTOR? SWTOR is as doomed as war was. Has all along. We just won't it not to be. I did any ways.but pve as cool as it is....not all a game needs to be. We need PvP not some war zone. DAoC style PvP with a balanced faction system ie 3 factions. We need a pve system for the pver. Pve player most of them any ways, PvP at least some. And PvP players most of them pve at least some. You can not leave one or the other and be a top hit MMO. It takes both.

Very true, but even if the 3 rd faction turned out to be the big bad monster , imps and pug could temp team to take them down when needed. But every one is right BW will not do this and PvP will be a joke a year from now. That should not stop us from trying as I'd like to see this game be more then just a pve game. As for server loads and the game handling it. Ya its bad, but in Illum 50pubs and over 75imps I can run fine other then the first jump from load lag. I run gfx at low no shadows and tags off. Seams to work good that way for bigger fights I'm just sick of Illum and its got to the point in random open world I can run around looking and not see any one for hours on even the low level planets. And my server is one of the higher pops left , Valker highway .

I'm with you on the star wars ip , but how do you balance imps vs pubs . The easy way is a 3rd faction. It's just a idea ,one I do not think BW will even look at short term. I'd just like to know they have plans like this even sort of for PvP. Not just more of the same wz PvP as I'm sick of them. The pve in this game is by far the best iv played. but its not all my main gaming focus.

BW sold this game as having a top notch PvP game . I'm still looking for it lol I just don't see the risk. I know they lost the 50subs of my guild. I'm all that's left over the lack of pvp. Are ally guild has 5 members left. The sever loads are light I'm times they had full . The risk I see is more of the same.

New planets , and one PvP raid dungeon ? How many do you have for pve?

Lmao DAoC is around , I have a sub for it and still play. Well let's see is it just me saying this or are the forums full of PvP sucks . Have they lost a massive amount if subs? Is that not in its self a statement lets list a few games that have not did PvP right , and just did the wow clone wz and PvP. Rift Eq2 Aoen or what ever it was called War tryed to do a good job with PvP but failed. There are more and more still that tryed to do just PvP. In years past this worked. It no longer will. Games make it or brake it in the first few months. I like this game as a pve game but I need more to hold me and do do the masses. You are no different then the fan boys with the listed games that might as well never came out. Blind.

You know I use DAoC as a bace for PvP systems. I use there system in my other post as its the best there is. As is we have a joke of for PvP. Wz are ok the first 1000 times but get old fast. DAoC PvP never did . I'm not asking pve players to PvP just that BW give the pvpers something as nothing would be better then what we have. What gets me ic why even pver players would not won't a better PvP game as pvpers pve to , giving the game a bigger player bace. Bringing in more subs , more pve for them and more PvP for me. More players to play with to.

Are you joking with the some what lacking? There is no PvP system other then wz as Illum is not inany way a PvP system its trash. I do know a good PvP system when I see it. DAoC is by far the best ever done. DAoC had trash pve, but the best PvP. How could you say adding the pve of SWTOR and PvP of DAoC into one ne a bad idea. Each to there own, I found wow PvP to be every bit the joke that war rift and all the other clones. SWTOR atm has no PvP system worth a ****.. Time is something they do not have . Look at server loads and tell me how they have it right

So far iv yet to see a cheater. No speed hacks No map hacks No stick to there back hacks Nothing I have seen exploits. 12vs8 wz Planting bombs before the wz starts /stuck in Illum Iv seen things like that but bugs are just that bugs, they will be fixed. The one bug I don't know if they will fix is the lack of a 3rd faction. Iv reported the 3faction is not working at all but they don't seam like they care.

If they would fix this and many other parts of cc rest 90% of the sorcs are op, cc is op threads would go away. After the first stun/root/mez you should have a 80% resistance to all for 10 seconds, if you are hit with a nother stun/root/mez with in that 10 seconds you should get a 100% resistance for 20 seconds or something like that. With a cc system like that you can't have 5 stuns and or roots hit you back to back.

As I'm not asking them to drop the pve , my link in the op lays out what they could do how would the be going PvP only . My idea is to take what they have now in game the same classes , same PvP system and reuse it. Add a level 50 quest to change realms , once per toon . Add in a few planets space stations and a few baces. It's already in game . Just reuse what's there. As for giving up, if I do that it will be to go back to DAoC as if this is what PvP is going to be then ill play each class story and move on like so many others. As the PvP now is a joke. If we don't ask , then tell them we will get nothing more then what we have. The devs will do one of 2 things. Ride the game until its dead like war Or Start making changes, Like this . Even if its a xpac 6 months down the road. It's worth asking for.

Since my other question was to long and removed ill ask like this. What are the chances of a DAoC style 3 realm with siege PvP making its way into SWTOR? Is it not a good idea to take the best pve game and combine it with the best PvP game for a record braking game. My idea for PvP is at http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=323639

Wow , so as your not a pvper they should just not have a pvp game for us that are. Wow How would adding in a good PvP system stop your raiding in any way.and DAoC is dead when your talking numbers but by far still the best game made to date and 12 years later still has paying subs. This game has lost what seams to be 1/2 there subs in just a few months. Look I'm not asking you to PvP but your saying kill PvP because you dont like it. DAoC pve was lacking , this games PvP is trash. If you put them together you would have the all time best game ever made. With the very good pve SWTOR has and DAoC PvP by far the beat ever system . Ya its gg for all other mmos. It's win win that way as you have more subs the game lasts longer. More to PvP with for me and pve with for you. As PvP players might not be hardcore raiders we still pve. And most pvers PvP at least some. How is that bad ? DAoC and eq are not even the same type if game . At least SWTOR claims to have a top PvP system . Eq was to a few a grate game . Not to my liking but some liked it. But DAoC had more subs if I remember right. I don't feel like looking it up so you might be right. ToA killed DAoC . But the game with its 5k subs is still there . Still the best PvP system out ever. Ps what is it you would do, as the sever loads have droped from full to light 80% of the time. And at most they are hitting standard. I hardly see Amy one in open world. Is that a good thing?should we just keep doing more of the same as its totally working right? How's your pve game going to look when the games is dead 6. Months from now.

Ok , some yw we have to get the devs to do a better job with PvP. More WZ is not the way. Server pops are dropping fast, q's are getting longer. More of the same is not what we need or won't. We need a 3 realm system. Malgis, rivenites, separatists, huts, exchange, any would work. I made a post on how in the PvP forums http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=323639 Something to fight for. The link above has that to. PvP is not about gear its about realm vs realm and whos better. Give us a PvP system that works. Not this ,,,,what ever you call it. I don't won't to go back to DAoC . So please take a note from DAoC and give us a PvP system. The MMO war didt listen , to its players about this same sort of thing. It's doing well i heard. Or not

You have to be joking, once years ago a game had time to get there **** together. No longer. In todays MMO you have max 3 months. 1.2 I just don't see being what is needed. We need a 3 faction system. We need DAoC style sieges not this junk Illum crap. We need realm bonuses for holding the DAoC style siege baces. We need a DAoC style pve/raid/PvP dungeon like darkfall was. 1.2 will have none of it. So We need a new PvP team working on this game.

The only way to get something like this is for bw to take note of it, and for tjem to take note we need 100s of players posting not just the 20ish that camp the PvP forums. Its the only way they will look at it. Hell I have turned Illum in as a bug report a few times as there us not way its working as intended

Same with tanks, take away there weapons when in defence stance. Mercs the same as sorcs , snipers should not be able to use weapons when in cover. Hmm ops should not be able to stealth and dps or heal and stealth. Better yet remove every class in the game. Put in one class that has one skill that hits for 1.dpm not dps as that's just op. But before you do that ask the op if its the 1dpm class he wonts to play as if its not it will be a op class and need fixed.

Ya, but with luck they seen what not going with 3 did to war.