Because they fired those 6 entry level employees because their job peformance was low. Now they have to rehire those positions Oh snap! Prove me wrong? You can't because you have no idea.

You still have zero proof if those jobs were new jobs or jobs replacing other staff who quit for whatever reason. They recently fired a ton of people, Why? It could be cause they were temp help...it could be because the game was not doing well...it also could be because they were poor performing people and they used that time to get rid of them so they could perhaps find new talent... You have no idea why they are hiring people...stop acting like because a company is hiring it means they are adding staff...You have no idea! At the very least don't call people out for not having "evidence" when you yourself really have no evidence behind your statements either.

Haha! You know what assuming does don't you? You have no idea what or why they are hiring those people all you have is conjecture and assumptions. Please tell me your a coach or something because if you teach anything that children really need to know then I feel very sorry for your students.

Oh Im sorry did you miss my post completely debunking your theory on this issue or are you just choosing to ignore it lol!? Let me repeat it for you: You cannot assume that they are hiring those people BECAUSE of F2P - Perhaps those positions are from people who quit to go somewhere else but are essential positions (Note 3/4 are Senior positions) so they must be filled out of necessity. Just because a company is hiring doesn't mean its increasing its staff size lol! I am a teacher and we hire new teachers all the time to replace retiring people or teachers who quit, but we never add more teachers to the overall number at the school. So your point there has 0 traction...sorry.

Now now, let's not be a hypocrite - you are saying things too that you have no evidence of either. For instance you said that Bioware is making money on F2P and putting that money back into the game? Where is the proof of that? How do you know that? What if all the extra cash from the Market is going back to EA? You really have no proof of any claim your making too.

And ya know this is what Im waiting to see. If they announce alot more content with this then It may be worth the 10 bucks. That all being said, I still think it should be buyable with CC - and thats really my biggest problem with the xpac - How can you have a monetary currency and then not allow people to use that to buy your product? Thats like going to Kohls and buying 100 bucks and getting 10 dollars in Kohl's cash then going back the next day and they say you can only buy certain items with that....I dont know any company that does this?

You cannot assume that they are hiring those people BECAUSE of F2P - Perhaps those positions are from people who quit to go somewhere else but are essential positions (Note 3/4 are Senior positions) so they must be filled out of necessity. Just because a company is hiring doesn't mean its increasing its staff size lol! I am a teacher and we hire new teachers all the time to replace retiring people or teachers who quit, but we never add more teachers to the overall number at the school. So your point there has 0 traction...sorry.

Im still waiting for them to do an about face and offer it for CC....which I dont think is out of the realm of possibility with all the negative press they are getting. That and Im pretty sure I wont be playing this game in 3 months as I dont think its worth a long term sub. 1-3 months max and Ill have done everything this game can offer that seems enjoyable to me.

I answered your question in my post btw Clearly all 3 of those companies are very happy with thei 200-400k subs that those games sit at.

Success in an MMO is whether there is enough money coming in to pay fixed costs + repay investors and get themselves out of the red. So how successful an MMO is really depends on the fixed costs of said company vs. how much money that game is making...in so long as the game is making 1 dollar more than the fixed costs to run the game then it is successfully running. Now $1 is clearly not enough profit for anyone to keep it going, but profit is also a subjective thing. EA expects big returns on their investments and that is why the referred to SWTOR as a "failure" with 750,000k subs back during the last call. SoE, Turbine, Trion and other MMO companies don't seem to have as high expectations (That and their games didn't cost as much to make as SWTOR) so they are perfectly happy to run their games with only 100, 200, 300 thousand subs. I remember reading an article (though its be a while back) with an MMO lead dev who was saying that people would be shocked at the actual overhead of running an MMO. When you take staff out of the equation it costs companies virtually nothing to continue to run servers (I believe the article said an MMO could easily be run on less than 10,000 subs) and that those costs were going down due to cheaper technology coming out and this was many years ago. The real question is how many devs are on a project and what their salary cost is. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. EA will never shut this game down because they paid a ton of money to have it made. They will just keep cutting staff until this game is running on just a handful (less than 10) devs and will leave it to just generate any profit it can so it can recoup as much loss as possible.

Uhm, they have already stated the planet is the same size as their other planets and it has no class stories (Which tend to take the longest because of longer cutscenes). I can get through any planet in about 2-3 hours of non stop playing - maybe less depending on how well they group the quests up. So I suspect for my 10 bucks Ill get about 3 hours worth of content! Whoopie!

Don;t worry the next EA Quarterly call will be coming up soon and well all find out that this game has dropped well below the 500k sub mark. Judging by amount of servers and amount of people online at peak times, this game probably has around the same amount of subs as EQ1/EQ2/LOTRO/FFXI - Which is around 250-450k...

lol, If I told my boss a project would be done in 2012 and then have to push it back to 3-4 months into 2013...thats not late, thats almost half a year late and would fully expect to be fired.

Yes...kind of. Tat+ you can run into other faction players and kill them if you go looking for it (IE You go over to their questing areas). That being said, your just gonna get owned by the level 50 gankers anyway so

Yeap, and we also knew that Makeb was going to be a free content patch....Just wait sir, 1.7 is already pushed back to Jan/Feb, to which it will be pushed back again to Feb/March and then suddenly its going to get lumped into ROTHC....Do you think the "were pushing 1.7 back for the Holiday's" was the truth? LoL! With all the lies Bioware has thrown around I am surprised you would believe this one....Its being pushed back so that we will forget it was promised us so it can be lumped into ROTHC Just wait and see.

I came back to SWTOR just a month ago with F2P (I subbed immediately, never did F2P) because I firmly believe that EVERY MMO deserves 2 shots. I always buy every new MMO on launch and give it a month or two to see if it holds my attention, if it doesn't then I always return 6-12 months later to see what has improved and give it a second chance. After being subbed for a month and getting a new character to 50 and trying the new ops, I can firmly say that this game is still not worth the sub fee for me. Add in this horrible nickle and dime policy that Bioware is clearly taking and I will be unsubbing for this game once my month runs out - Its now time to give Rift that second chance - Maybe its REAL expansion (That triples the size of the entire game and adds an enormous amount of new content) will have made the difference in that game for me to stick with it.

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+1 for throwing out Trials of Atlantis and DAOC! Tristan Hib for Life!

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lol! I cant wait for all the defenders to be "shocked" when they announce all this stuff is being pushed back to the expansion.

I dont know? Logic? Considering they have already started to tack dollar signs onto content they promised as updates....

So with F2P they had a content patch drought while they got ready for the super awesome Cartel Market. Now Supposedly we were going to get Makeb, Cathar, and Illum in patches for free. Suddently, out of the blue, Makeb is going to cost everyone 10-20 bucks and they are calling it an "expansion" but in reality they know and we all know its not a true "expansion." Who wants to put some money right now that Illum as well as Cathar are going to be pushed back and included in the "Expansion" It certainly would feel more "expansiony" with that content. Sorry for all those waiting for their free Illum and Cathar, but I would bet you 5000 cartel coins that they are now going to be part of the new ROTHC. Ya know, I find it kind of ironic that they made it about the Hutts considering the whole lore behind what the Hutts are... Bioware ...Hutts... It all makes sense now!

It means 50's cant do them...which means in order to do FP's and Ops after the "expansion" (in quotes because its not really an expansion) you either pay 10 bucks for 5 more levels or you cannot do Flashpoints or Ops cause your not high enough level. See what they did there?

Yea released in 2005 and only 2 of them 3 months apart. Then Sony realized it was a really stupid idea and completely did away with them and give them for free to everyone now... So your saying that Bioware is awesome cause its using a failed idea from 2005 - What a great position you have!

And what if they don't? It's not beyond the realm of possibility to think Bioware may NOT add a new op, so while you can assume they will I will assume they wont...I would be willing to be 5000 cartel coins that they wont