Competative is every class. Stupid post.

Maybe because I enjoy the specc? o,O I love the possibilities I gain from Immortal for PvP? I don't want to respecc and don't need to, because enrage timers are no problem yet. And my main focus lies on PvP. I even do hardmodes with Intimidation specced... The last comment is again no argument, just stupid blabla. Btw did you actually test Immortal? Because I did test all of the 3 trees and enjoy Immortal the most. Edit: I was the first Juggernaut Battlemaster on my server, I beat every class 1on1 except healers and I top the list in warzones 80% of the time....

Nobody said Immortal does the same damage, but you still lack the proof that vengeance does triple the damage which I hardly doubt. And yes another stupid number, where do you find 500.000 people complaining? Can you just talk **** or do you have proof for anything you say? I have no problems with Immortal, I tank hardmode EV/KP, played from 1-50 and PvP as Immortal. I don't say Immortal tree is perfectly fine, but your ranting about Immortal specc beeing worthless and vengeance far superior is plain stupid. And stop calling me dim or trolling, people could think you are talking about yourself.

Holy god, you really think unstoppable is useful in PvE content? O,o How often do you force charge a boss and what impact has 20% dmg reduction at the start of a fight? Oh yes now you explain how veng improves the damage of your skills, but where is the proof that you do triple the damage? And you called me dim...lol srsly....

Now its getting ridicolous, you actually think Veng does really so much more damage? And yes those mitigation talents do count, they are on of the highest tier talent Immortal has.... O,O

All you talking about is how inferior Immortal tree is over a vengeance tree for tanking which is ridicolous. You even say it does 3 times the damage....lol And sorry, but Immortal Juggs can handle the whole content there is, so why should we need a buff regarding those suggetions you made?

Troll elsewhere, I never played EQ, but to think you maintanked something beats the logic that you are a good player. You can't even read... Sonic Barrier and Dark Blood. And it seems you have serious threat issues, because all your "suggestions" aim to add more thread generation. I ask you, where do you lose aggro in endcontent?

Did you actually read the first post? I doubt that, because he states that he has problems with singel target threat....

Examples which mobs do you mean? Ofc some mobs hit harder otherwise this game would be completly boring, just imagine every mob hitting you for the same amount... *** is wrong with you people? Got WoW so much in your head that every bit of challenge is to much for you?

Can you explain on which singel targets you get problems? Because I just don't belive you...

Hardmode everything down besides Soa, I see no problems for Juggernaut tanks... To the people complaining about complexity, please reroll and stop QQing. I played a BH myself and didn't enjoy it at all, I don't want to be a copy of any class. I can clear every content there is without major problems! Stuff like Savage Kick/Pommel Strike is a different story. And yes we could need a bit stronger AoE threat, but thats it...

Its just another class which is able to taunt, doubt that anybod is doing HM with two real tanks...

They are grey/black...clearly and upgrade. /thread

Unleashed, Crash and Shield Specialization are not worth it. Btw CB > Unstoppable any day for me.

LS are very lightweight so there is no need to use it 2h! Jedi Knights use this stance because it represents balance etc and there by suits more for the lightside. And it is true there are a few strikes where the Sith Warrior uses both hands, Crushing Blow comes to my mind.

I don't but the video from the first post here, is not mine...

Yea its a mix of War Leader and Vindicator gear. The lightsaber is the battlemaster one.

Here is my approach of Open World PvP: http://youtu.be/DPAvHfEWDM8 My first movie ever! Will continue to release movies as long I enjoy PvP in SWTOR. I am open for suggestions and feedback. I hope its no problem that I post it here, didn't want to open a new thread for it.

Couldn't agree more! I was a bit disappointed after reading the trilogy because it started so nice and the ending was meh... Darth Banes first book was defintely the best!

This seems interesting, would be glad if somebody can verfiy how much exactly it is. For me it sounds like some health pool without Endurance from items, which would be sad.

Wow you did 580k dmg in a warzone, want a trophy for it? And no I did no 16 man instance yet, mostly 8 and why shouldn't I specc Immortal when maintanking? Threat is no issue to me yet and I rather take the extra mitigation + fast Sunder Armor stacking via Crushing Blow, than some extra DPS, which is not our problem yet.

I don't know why you think I should be keyboard turner, when I have a short camera distance. And I don't know what "turreting" means. Still I don't think it affects my playstyle, I think I fight even better in close quarter scenarios because my camera doesn't **** up so easily. And I am doing rather good overall I think.

Going to post my PvP Immortal video soon and prove othewise! In regarding for entertainment I think a more decent zoomed camera is better for the audience to actually see some closup action AND I don't think it makes much of a difference if you play zoomed in compared to the max distance setting if you "watch around". Which you do, when you use a zoomed camera like me all the time.

They provide very low scores for proection but ofc you are right and using both Taunt as a Juggernaut is a must, but you have to use it in the right moments and not just on CD.

So people like you, which have no clue about PvP and PvE alike, can complaint about that skilltree while using obviously inferior Vengeance tree. I'd rather want to see a Vengeance tree buff, than a Immortal buff and I am a Immortal player myself.