dude......wow wrote the book on GOOD mmo's. of course it took a few years, but given that swtor is many years later they should have know this is something ppl like and want in mmo's. if its good enough for wow it sure as hell is good enough for this game lol

p.s. can ppl stop using the fact that wow as not perfect in vanilla? it was the first damn real mmo and it was 2004....with todays tech i would expect them to get it right as blizzard already did all the hard work on creating what is an GOOD mmo.

you dont understand.....no matter how much they want to improve on the games qualities and stability they cannot. with there engine they use for this game it is impossible for it to evolve. they would have to redo the whole game and use a totaly different engine for this game to get better. unlike wow that always had a perfect engine that let them add new content and improve on many features. this games attacks are the most stupid iver ever seen. they lack the cause and effect. they dont really do anything special (a couple of them slow or stun) but there is no real combo building or even effective dmg. one more thing i hate how they successfully turned everyone into a hunter!!! i mean i thought the companion would be an asset not a crutch that i need to lean on or i will die or have to try too hard just to grind.

haha good one man but wow is just too complex and a pure work of art to ever be killed by a fundamentally flawed game like this. story is nice and all but bioware focused too much on that and not enough on combat or what PLAYERS want and they can and will NOT ever admit they failed on this game. WoW is simply too well connected to its gamers and they are honest with us about there mistakes as ghostcrawler ofter admits and owns up to things. bioware simply does not know what they are doing and have never proven themselves. they would have been better off copying everything that WoW did lol. just look how low the server numbers are at peak times. the combat is simply boring, and after you play through all the stories that is all you have.

hmmmm, sounds like someone is getting desperate to make this failure a success lol. anyone notice how extremly LOW the server numbers are? i mean even crappy mmos have more ppl online then this game. dont matter how many free weekends, free invite a friends they offer. they will never make the game a success untill they rework the whole combat system. no one likes a fundamentally flawed game. especially those who are not big starwars fans.

when i say fixed i dont mean neutered (not sure that would be a bad thing seeing as how bad this game is so far) what im asking is have they had any big patched that reworked all the class abilities? or are the all still fundamentally flawed?

this gmaes whole pvp system is fundamentally flawed in its self. i mean when a ranged class casts a spell they face you till the spell goes off. not very good if you play an assasin or operative. in order for a games pvp to be balance, each class should be able to do toe to toe with any other class. in this game....impossible. i know ppl will say its a team pvp system but thats BS. how can things be balanced that way? i played a healer in this gmae and dont get me wrong ive been healing a long time on better games. but on this game as a healing operative i feel like a god. no one can kill me beucae they dont have enough stuns or interupt. after a while it gets boring... and whats with all the usless abilities that you cant use in pvp? one last thing, has anyone else been irritated by the delay it takes for abilities to complete there function? it does not let you be versatile enough. for a gmae that took so long it sure turned out to be a big pile of crap. i wonder the background of the Dev's for this game. just some people who were trained at some school on how to make games? i somehow doubt they were like the creators of Blizzard games who did it becuase they love GOOD games.

yes this would be nice if we did enough dmg also merauders wear medium armor so we are pritty damn squishy even with our def CD's. also the 2%heal tick does not metigate the amount of dmg we take....translation? its does nothing....

i too play a merauder and i must say even though it takes more skill then other classes, it feels like this gmae is funamentally flawed. i mean ever mmo ive played, when a melee warrior type class gets on a ranged class, that ranged class wants to get away asap and not just be able to face tank it like they all can do with ease in this game. im just saying classes dont feel right. and the delays in abilities is so damn anoying. i think im just another merauder who will not be renewing his sub when its out. i love starwars and thats what drawn me to this game. ill check back in a 3-4 months and i really do hope this game gets better for those who like to pvp, i really do. but its just not fun for me on the class a want to play. no i wont re-roll.

at least the WoW pvp is balances and the attacks feel like you are doing something. i hate how swtor melee classes get the crap beat out of them. i can play a sorc and run around and kill stuff all day and like never die but in this game you play a melee and its GG. this game lacks too much in pvp so after my sub is up im going back to mmo's they know what they are doing still.

i gota say on this topic i really think merauders need a dps boost and a BIG one. after all unlike assasins who are tank/dps/mid ranged dps hybreeds with lots of stuns knockbacks and CC (did i mention the stealth?) we are melee classes that just do ok dmg....thats all. i can get on a smuggler and he can just and there and take the punishment as he stuns and bursts me down. and if for some reason i get out he just knocks be back and im immobilized for what 3 sec? and slowly get my speed back? im saying melee that dont have all the CC and hybreed abilities and can stealth for surprise attacks should be something that ppl RUN from. in every other MMO that ive played to this date. any main dmg melee class that does not stealth like the marauder has made classes that are ranged or hybreeds(classes that can do everything but are not good at one thing) they have stealth and range on there side and all the CC's that come with that. i dont expect to have lots of CC or more stuns i just dont want to sit on someone beating away trying to kill them for a long time or untill there teamate comes and kills me. i want to feel like a main dps class that makes ppl try to get away or kite you. right now ppl dont even reeally have to run but if they do they will take little to none dmg...

im confiused vicious only is free when you berserk.....other then that its not a rage builder lol. assault is you're rage builder... p.s. can i buy crack from you? lol

i have a 43 operative and ive play those so called GOOD one and they are no better then me on my merauder and i can still toy with them with suck ease. i gone head to head with 3v1 and won. they really need to boost there dmg and make them a threat. after all they are not a ranged class. they only have a FEW CC abilities and are pritty squishy. if you focus a merauder with someone they WILL die no matter how good the healing is.

how do you always have more rage then you know what to do with? im using mine asap. and how is shiicho making you're vicious build rage?!?!

oh yeah i didnt pick that tree beucase at my lvl im kinda trying to depend on burst at so i went carnage. and i see how rage is better because you arent so rage starved but still...only benefite is the extra closer =p but i wish we had an autoattack on its own GCD that build rage so we could use our abilities and not have soooooo much dead time (white dmg better then no dmg) ive also never played an mmo that has a basic attack you have to use every time =p