facepalm....... you missed the point again...... most Animated movies make a profit because they are cheap to make and they can make a a couple mill. I never said The Clone Wars didn't make a profit or was unprofitable. I said it WASN"T A HIT! The position is the Star Wars is the biggest franchise in history therfore anything with the Star Wars name on it is a huge blockbuster. The Clone Wars was a failure even for an animated film. You are despertely trying to goal post shift AGAIN. Give it up you look foolish.

no it's just what i am. Like I said don't take my word for it just google how a nuclear bomb works. It's a careful controled explosion. What do you think they slap some TNT onto a piece of plutonium and a big boom happens? apparently it's not as you just proved. sorry if correcting you on how physics work hurts your opinion. .... ok.... so the ship being fired at Jumps to Hyperspace to avoid it. Then the Missle follows it by jumping to hyper space. It can't hurt it IN hyper space so the ship exists Hyperspace and then the Missle.... then what? The Missle tries again? all while being fired at by the ship.... The ship could keep jumping unitl the missle runs out of fuel. thus making it a very inffective weapon ok name a canon source where we see a ship moving at full speed jumping to light speed (PSSST HERE"S A TIP YOU WON"T FIND ANY) We see this every time, the ship slows down you hear the engines powering up then boom it takes off. how many people explained to you that the ship can't be that close otherwise it won't gain enough speed to do any damage and crash against the hull like in Rouge One. So let's see if you can logic this one out. If the missle needs to be far enough away to do damage.... but can only avoid being fired on if its really close..... do you see the problem? .... and they weren't at maximum velocity why? say it with me They were Too close..... Seriously what is wrong here you make the claim that if they are really close to the ship they won't be shot down... then in the SAME POST you disprove your own idea by stating that the reason they didn't damage they ships in Rogue one was because they weren't at maximum velocity because THEY WERE TOO CLOSE

........ so aside from not knowing what a Story is and denying that ANH and TFA have the same story.... you also don't know what a backstory is..... ok you know what i'll bite. What is Luke's Backstory and how did you learn it?

Rogue One isn't a Saga movie and yet we consider it part of the Brand. So you are claiming that the Star Wars brand is the strongest brand out there so strong it can make a bad movie 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN 3/12 WEEKS ..... but it can only carry the main Saga movies. Those are 2 completely opposing viewpoints. As i proved it under performed for even a Animated film.

actually it already has changed and its a better system. When you look at your Character screen there is a number tab on the right side. That is your apperence window you can put any gear there (no restrictions like in WoW) and it will show up on your character. You get the first tab for free but can add something like 20 or so windows. Here you go this explains it better then I can and yes as someone who plays WoW this way is much better. Only downside is there is no weapon slot yet

that's not what he is saying. another poster said TLJ is only a hit because its Star Wars. So I showed the Animated Clone Wars movie from 2008 was one of the biggest bombs of all time only make 35 million. He thought I linked to the wrong movie and was talking about Episdoe 2 attack of the Clones. Then when I corrected him he tried to say well it was just a cartoon which for some reason i guess means it can't be a hit.

my god you don't even know what a Straw Man is. Yeah... animated movies are usually flops.... oh wait http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=animation.htm so here is a list of 100 animated movies that did better then The Clone Wars cartoon. The statement was the star wars brand can carry any movie doesn't matter if its live action or animated. But the Clone wars did bad even for an animated movie. Are you telling me The Rugrats Movie Rise of the Guardians |Over the Hedge Gnomeo and Juliet TRIPPED the Clone Wars Box office. are better then The Star Wars Brand? For god's sake The Angry Birds Movie TRIPPLED The Clone Wars movie domesticially and more then quadrupled it world wide. Go on tell me that the fact its animated is the reason it was a failure Just for reference its ranked 172 on highest animated films. edit: Oh the Emoji movie beat it bringing in 86 million domestically 216 world wide

FACEPALM yeah... i'm talking about the Cartoon THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!. How bad are you at basic reading comprehension. The point here is the OP said the Star Wars brand is why TLJ is doing so well and that the SW Brand can make any POS a success. But as we see from the Animated Clone Wars movie the idea that the Star Wars brand can make anything success is completely untrue. Yes Episode 2 was a hit.... not as big as TFA, Rogue One, or TLJ but yes a huge hit. Also... you don't want to bring inflation into this as it doesn't do what you think. There is a reason why studios don't care about adjusting for inflation.

and to add to this we have seen what Droid fighters are like in Star Wars they are eaisly taken out and offer little challange to the pilots. The only reason they got kills is because they swarmed the Clone armies. So a single or even mulitple hyper space missles controlled by a droid would be taken out with ease.

fixed it for you. For some reason it posted your full post.

it's a question that has nothing to do with A new Hope and TFA being the same story.... It's like saying a Cheese Burger and a Bacon Cheese Burger are both burgers then you replying with "Oh yeah where does bacon come from?"

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwarsclonewars.htm Star Wars the Clone Wars movie Domestic: $35,161,554 + Foreign: $33,121,290 Your argument is invalid. Thanks for playing troll but as much as you hate it the audiences love TLJ it's already the 2nd most successful Star Wars film of all time and will probably be the 10th most successful film of all time by the time it finishes its run in the theaters in another 2 months.

true but remember they are child soldiers, so its not really hard to believe that they have the younger kids start off mopping floors and what not until they are ready to be in a squad. Remember the assault on Jaku was his very first combat mission. So yeah he could have been a full janitor at one point and then been promoted to a special forces team. oh also to others Finn wasn't the McGuffin, BB8 and the Map to Luke was the McGuffin. that was the worthless item everyone was chasing after.

I'm not a Physicist i was a Navy Nuke who operated 4 Nuclear reactors and taught AP Physics for 5 years. Even with out that you could easily google this stuff but again you have demonstrated you never read even your own sources and when you do read you lack basic reading comprehension. I'm not saying SWTOR is canon or other SciFi i was addressing this comment. You're idea of the Hyperdrive weapons or even mass drivers were never considered has already been thought of multiple times and used before. even in the game you are currently playing. facepalm its not out of thin air... 1. No you don't take more damage on impact that's not how anything works. The ship can do that much damage because it's a HUGE SHIP with tons of armor, shields and a lot of mass 2. how would hyperspace tracking help the destroy a target? This only works BEFORE you enter Hyperspace. 3. we see all shps in star wars come to almost a complete stop before making the jump to Hyper space, this means they would be a sitting duck 4. we also see that they can tell when a Hyperspace drive is powering up so they can tell when your "missle" is about to go 5. that is more then enough time to fire and destroy the missle. 6. we have seen that they are able to take out large transports in a single hit so a missle would be no problem. 7. In Rogue one we see smaller ships corrielin blockade runners and even x-wings slam into a star destroyer not quite at full speed not even dent a Star Destroyer. So yeah...... you're idea is stupid.

Really? What force powers did Luke utilize in ANH vs Rey in TFA? ............................................wow... you don't even know what a story is.....................

I have a hard time ranking them because i love them all (ok so the prequels would be near the bottom) I guess I would have to do a 4 way tie for #1 1. TESB, ANH, TFA, and TLJ - really can't pick one that i love more they each have their flaws and their perfect moments. 2. ROTJ 3. Rogue One - I actually coudln't decide if I wanted to put it on the list. To me Rogue one is the perfect EU movie. It's exaclty what I thought a movie based on the old EU books like Wraith Squadron or Scoundrals. A great movie that fills out the world. But like the EU books it has some big flaws and could have done with some tweeking. 4. TPM I'm probably in the minorty but yeah ths is my favorite of the Prequels. Something about the great use of different planets and unique characters it really gave us something we hadn't seen in Star Wars before. We gout our first taste of what it was actually like to live in Star Wars. 5. The Ewok Movies. Saw them as a kid and i still love them 7. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Yeah these two movies made me give up on Star Wars for a long time. It wasn't until after seeing The People Vs George Lucas that I learned to give up on my anger and hatred and just accept them as fun movies and part of Star Wars. They are bad but they can be fun.

actually he was able to close his eyes and concentrate 5 seconds after Obi Wan tell him with the Training driod on the Falcon. Good try though sorry i'm out of participation trophies. Well let's see, 1. The Anakin was the chosen one who would bring balance to the force, not Luke. 2. Let's say Luke killed Vader on Cloud City before he learns that Vader is his father. Now he goes to fight the Emperor without that knowledge and the Emperor tells him "Hey kid you killed your father now eat some lighting" Luke loses the Rebels lose. 3. Let's say he Turn Vader on Cloud City. They both go after the Emperor. The Emperor isn't suprised by Vader turning so he just lightings the two of them to death, Rebels lose Emperor wins. So yeah it wasn't Luke's destiny to win there. facepalm.... motivation gives you focus... maybe you have never been movitved in your entire life... but yeah when someone has motivation they have a clear goal in mind its not hard to concentrate. Being able to concentrate just like Maaz taught her she was able to tap into the force and over power a dying angry kid. Seriously are you trying to be obtuse? no again he did it with in 5 seconds of hearing how to do it on the Falcon. Then again when he heard a voice in his head while attacking the Death star. ... it's the same story as A New Hope.... It's not anymore but it was. But again you miss the point. You ignore not only the examples i have shown but every example everyone else has shown. But let's see if you can explain how Wee Dunn was so strong in the force and use force powers that it took Luke 3 years to master when he was able to do it with out even being 1 year old? actually it was started with The Clone Wars and Lucas. yeah... you also thought every Japanese pilot in WW2 was a Kamakazi and that Pearl Harbor was nothing but Kamakazis.... so we can see you're thought process isn't the best.

yeah.... he was in a dire situtation and was able to concentrate enough to use a cry for help while his sister was searching for him ie using the force unkonwingly Which again.. goes into the OP's theory of the force doing its thing so to speak. this might be the biggest facepalm yet but it makes a lot of sense. It's clear you didn't understand Kylo's character. No he can't clear his mind that's the whole point. Through out the entire movie its show his power comes from his uncontrolled rage. and again going back to the OP's post the force is helping Rey yeah... and her mind is now clear focused on one single thing. Stopping the guy 20 feet from her and avenging Han. She has the best motivation, she has a clear path. Thanks for proving my point. Maza taught her, tells her the same thing Yoda and Ben say to Luke Don't let facts get in the way of your Bias. That actually hurts your arguement. The point of Middoclhorines was to have a way to science away the force. It's basically giving Jedi's power levels. Nothing about it though has anything to do with bloodlines. This is actually your strongest argument you have made this entire thread about anything But again... we have already seen that bloodline doesn't automatically make you strong in the force. As i'll point out again in SWTOR Therian Shaan son of Satieal who was Daughter of Revan the strongest force user ever, had 0 force powers. and again if it relied on bloodlines there would be no Jedi as they would all die out since they don't reproduce. If it was really through bloodines then The Emperor would have just used Space Tinder to create his own apprentice but seriously the entire point of the last 5 years of Star Wars is that bloodlines isn't important.

i've lost track at this point. I mean for years under Lucas there was supposed to be at least 2 live action shows I cant' remember now if there is supposed to be a Star Wars one. Now since Disney is opening its own streaming service we might see that come out as the Killer app to launch. Every game is dying.

it wouldn't do any more damage really. That's not how physics would work in that case. Same with a nuclear bomb in fact a nuclear bomb requires a controled detonation. Sending it at the target at the speed of light would cause the bomb itself to be destroyed before it could detonate making it useless. do you not have basic reading comprehension skills? You are missing the point. I'm saying mass driver weapons have already been theriozed. We know what the effect is, you aren't coming up with anything new. For god's sake there is even on in SWTOR Hammer station? You are preventing a base that has a weapon that flings asteroids at planents causing massive destruction. and yes doing it Light speed would make it even more powerful possibley powerfull enough to destroy an entire planet. however like in TLJ you would need to be at the perfect distance to use it. Again it would be destroyed before it ever made the jump. Like we saw in the movie you have to be close to your target. The reason why it worked in TLJ is 1. General Hux thought she was fleeing and didn't target the weapons on her 2. When he did target her the shields and armor prevented the ship from being destroyed. this isn't difficult to understand.

I really hope they do now that its time to get out of this time period. Hopefully Rain Johnsons new trilogy will be set in this era.

no ab****ely not, even if you completely ignore the New Trilogy going by what has happened in PT, OT, Rebels and The Clone Wars his theory matches up perfectly. The New Trilogy only supports it. Like i said before in The Clone Wars we have Wee Dunn and Roo-Roo Page actual new born babies who can't even speak but are able to use the force just like Anakin Skywalker. Anankins birth is also supported by this as the plan was to use the force to create evil but instead it created Anakin who ended up destroying the Sith. Yes which 1. fits into the OP's theory 2. Kylo is DYING he is weak and having trouble standing how is he supposed to concentrate when he also just killed his father? Did you not watch empire? What did Yoda tell Luke to do when stacking rocks? Concentrate clear your mind? Kind of hard to do when bleeding out, killed your father and on a planet that is about to explode. Length of training doesn't make you more powerful. if that were true Yoda should have been able to easily beat Palpatine as Yoda had been training for 900 years. again bloodline doesn't mater at all. if it did Jedi would have gone extinct due to the fact that Jedi don't really have kids. seriously what is up with your obsession with bloodlines?

FACEPALM... you dont' even bother reading. It doesn't matter if it was 20 years inbetween ANH and TESB there was NO ONE TO TRAIN LUKE! The day statement about Luke on Degobah was hyperbolie. The point is we see the most important parts of his training, the cave, feeling the force and so on. He is never trained in Lightsaber combat or attacking force powers ie force choke and so fourth. I brought up piloting because its one of the things people like to claim is proof she is a Mary Sue. If you concede that then fine we can move on. Yes Rey uses Force pull and beats a dying angry sith who can't even stand up. Whats your point? I see you avoided the question on how Luke beat Vader in ROTJ so.... good job on that. did you even read the OP post? TFA is the SAME PLOT AS A NEW HOPE!!!! That's the whole freaking point its a soft reboot. This is why people are shaming you. taken straight out of the MRA talking points. You're a fan of Saragon of Akkad aren't you? and again BLOODLINES DO NOT MATER IN STAR WARS! That has 0 determination with how strong you are with the force. i'll say this one more time. The things you criticize about TFA are the EXACT SAME THINGS IN THE OT! EVEN THE PLOT IS THE SAME. So you look like a hypocrite for saying TFA is bad for those reasons.

FACEPALM..... you are missing the point Sigh... the point is if you call Rey a Mary Sue for not having training or flying the falcon or using force powers and NOT call out Luke for the SAME THINGS. Then it is since she is a woman. Who taught Luke how to use Force Pull in between ANH and TES? As for Degohbah... yeah that's not canon despite what a youtube video says. His source is a children's book that is non canon. So about the trip to cloud city. Let me ask you this. Why didn't the empire ambush them in deep space while Boba Fett was following them? You missed the point about Luke's non melee combat skill. We know that Obi wan taught him literarlly 2 minutes of light saber combat. We know Yoda didn't teach him any (that was the entire point of Yoda training him) So how did he get good enough to take on Darth Vader? Yes he did out fly Vader. to deny it is just stupid. He also survived an assault that only 3 other well trained pilots survived. That's pretty amazing for someone who never flew a combat mission. But Rey gets shade because she crashed the falcon 4 times and took a ton of damage. and you are missing the point again its not about time. He could have 50 years it doesn't matter WHO TAUGHT HIM HOW TO DO IT! That is the point. again. NO ONE WAS AROUND TO TRAIN HIM! Obi wan was dead and hadn't appeared as a force ghost. Luke didn't know about Yoda so who trained him. She beat an aprrentance her own age who was just shot by a Bowcaster a weapon we have never seen anyone survive. He is bleeding out, already got sliced in the arm by Fin and his goal wasn't to kill her but take her alive. So yeah she better have won. Let me ask you this then how did Luke beat Vader? Vader had been a true sith master who has DECADES of actual combat experience while Luke again never had any formal training and only fought one other person in lightsaber combat. So how did Luke win then? Ummm what? No she didn't? Are you refering to when she mind melded with Kylo? Because she didn't use the power he did. She just saw the fear in him. As for mind control? are you talking about the storm trooper she used the Jedi Mind trick on? Because she didn't read his thoughts. Are you drunk or just making stuff up This is the weakest of arguments. There is nothing anywhere in star wars to indicate your bloodline determines how strong you are in the force. If it did all of the Jedi would have died out since they don't reproduce. Also Ben is only 1/4 Skywalker bloodline. So even if the whole "force bloodline" meant anything he would have been diluted. Also remember in SWTOR they make a point of bloodlines not being anything Theron Shan Son of Satele Shan, of the Revan blood line? Absolute 0 connection to the force. So yeah that's an incredibility foolish thing to claim. as a farmer, who was cared for by his Aunt and Uncle and watched over and protected by Obi Wan. He even had friends who he went to hang out at Taschi Station. Not a harsh life. Rey was esentially a slave and didn't have anyone to protect her. She had to scavage parts just for food to survive. again you are missing the point. You don't have to like the new Star Wars. The point is when you say you hate it and your reasons are for the same things that appear in all of Star Wars and you accept those points then it must be something. Like people complaining about the Bombers in TLJ with out remembering there were Tie Bombers dropping bombs on an Asteroid in TESB. It's like saying I love whisky because i love the taste of alcohol but I hate beer because it has too much alcohol. Edit: Also as the OP said you don't need training to use the force, this is also show in Season 2 of the Clone Wars (still canon btw) where Wee Dunn and Roo-Roo Page babies who can't even speak but can use force powers. Who trained them?

yeah i have the same feelings about training in the force. In fact if we look at the OT and the training Luke did recieve it was all about control. As for Degobah well it all depends how long you think Leia and Han were traveling to Cloud City. Were they stuck flying there for a week? with the same clothes ? How long would it have taken for Boba Fett to call the Emprie and have them set up the trap? We only see a day in the training of Luke and the most we see him do is move some rocks before he heads off to Cloud City. So it coudln't have been that long.