Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 No its not poor game design, PvP and faction interaction were not the main focus, story was, which does not make poor planing. unique story for both sides > pve > pvp. That is how the game is supposed to be, I knew that before ever playing it. Its not bad design or poor planing like I said only a small % will be upset by this, you are part of the small % and you do have a right to be upset, but don't make the mistake by saying "the game does not have faction PvP on every planet from T, so it is bad design." I have just listed above why it is not, if you have a good reason other then your quote above, I would love to hear it. Thanks but I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheneria Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 No its not poor game design, PvP and faction interaction were not the main focus, story was, which does not make poor planing. unique story for both sides > pve > pvp. That is how the game is supposed to be, I knew that before ever playing it. Its not bad design or poor planing like I said only a small % will be upset by this, you are part of the small % and you do have a right to be upset, but don't make the mistake by saying "the game does not have faction PvP on every planet from T, so it is bad design." I have just listed above why it is not, if you have a good reason other then your quote above, I would love to hear it. you have no clue at all. guess why all the pvp servers are full, there is a reason why people roll on such a server. think about it also with a 130+ million dollar budget everyone can except atleast a basic faction warfare that makes sense + a good pve story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_Kitlor Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 That's why I said poor MMO design as it relates to the story. In other words it shouldn't exist period. It just clearly illustrates again another way in which the MMO part of the game was an afterthought. You're awfully full of your opinions there. How is it poor MMO design to have some zones accessible earlier on than others, depending on faction? If a game had a end-game zone in the opposing faction's capital/starting zone, it'd be the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralt Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Thanks but I disagree. on what point? If we are going to have a debate, lets at least debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 on what point? If we are going to have a debate, lets at least debate. I'm sorry I guess you missed the point of this thread. It wasn't to debate. It was to express my opinion and hope to get others that feel the same way to post so that quite possibly a dev would read and maybe plan better in the future by taking into account not just PvE but PvP players as well; not to mention Star Wars in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 You're awfully full of your opinions there. How is it poor MMO design to have some zones accessible earlier on than others, depending on faction? If a game had a end-game zone in the opposing faction's capital/starting zone, it'd be the same thing. I'm sorry but you really have to read the whole thread. It's covered in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 you have no clue at all. guess why all the pvp servers are full, there is a reason why people roll on such a server. think about it also with a 130+ million dollar budget everyone can except atleast a basic faction warfare that makes sense + a good pve story. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralt Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 you have no clue at all. guess why all the pvp servers are full, there is a reason why people roll on such a server. think about it also with a 130+ million dollar budget everyone can except atleast a basic faction warfare that makes sense + a good pve story. not all the pvp servers are full and just as many PvE servers are full., and yes it is a small % compared to the overall number, (which is still a lot of people) Please don't tell me a don't have a clue, also remember I said hardcore PvPers not PvPers. I love to PvP, and I also find it lacking, but I do knew what bioware was planing based off polls I read and and interviews. Also how much of that money went to VA's? a heck of a lot. P.S. There is more PvE servers than PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelin Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 you have no clue at all. guess why all the pvp servers are full, there is a reason why people roll on such a server. think about it Yeah, it makes it easier to know which people for me to avoid. There's twice as many PvE servers as PvP servers... and just as many are full... Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralt Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'm sorry I guess you missed the point of this thread. It wasn't to debate. It was to express my opinion and hope to get others that feel the same way to post so that quite possibly a dev would read and maybe plan better in the future by taking into account not just PvE but PvP players as well; not to mention Star Wars in general. And you misread my point, I never said PvP was not lacking, it is, I never said the devs should not add more PvP. What I said was it is not do to poor game design or poor planing. Last point, if you post something on the forums, there will be people who disagree, if that person makes valid points (right or wrong) and you repeat what you are saying without debating the points, you then become a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Last point, if you post something on the forums, there will be people who disagree, if that person makes valid points (right or wrong) and you repeat what you are saying without debating the points, you then become a troll. Not if it's my thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixblight Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Not if it's my thread. Its not your thread. Its Bioware's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelin Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Not if it's my thread. ESPECIALLY, if it's your thread. Don't start a discussion, if you're not willing to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Its not your thread. Its Bioware's. lol yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheneria Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 not all the pvp servers are full and just as many PvE servers are full., and yes it is a small % compared to the overall number, (which is still a lot of people) Please don't tell me a don't have a clue, also remember I said hardcore PvPers not PvPers. I love to PvP, and I also find it lacking, but I do knew what bioware was planing based off polls I read and and interviews. Also how much of that money went to VA's? a heck of a lot. P.S. There is more PvE servers than PvP. then go take a look at the serverlist atm all pvp servers in NA are full or heavy load while most pve servers are standard think about it again then tell me that there is only a small percentage of people that wants more PVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelin Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) then go take a look at the serverlist atm all pvp servers in NA are full or heavy load while most pve servers are standard think about it again then tell me that there is only a small percentage of people that wants more PVP. and again... think about the fact that there are TWICE AS MANY PVE SERVERS. Edited January 1, 2012 by Taelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) ESPECIALLY, if it's your thread. Don't start a discussion, if you're not willing to discuss. Again not a discussion. It's a post of my opinion. It became a thread and I chose to discuss. After the points were clearly delineated on both sides and rebutted, I chose to no longer discuss. I cannot say the same things a million times. Obviously for those that disagree, let's agree to disagree. Semantics; not for me. Edited January 1, 2012 by Waypoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durham Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Like said before, it's because of the stories. You'll notice that there is only one Nar Shaddaa, Tatooine, Hoth. There may be others, not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixblight Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Like said before, it's because of the stories. You'll notice that there is only one Nar Shaddaa, Tatooine, Hoth. There may be others, not sure. Forgetting Illum as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralt Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Not if it's my thread. Its not your thread on a public forum, if this was really your thread you could ban me from it, you could review all posts before they go up, if this was your thread the mods could never shut it down. You went from person with a ligament complaint pointed in the wrong area, to a troll.. example. I make a thread that says "Awesome Story" I post "the story is the best ever, thank you bioware!" first response "I have to say I find the story repetitive and boring in places, like on 'x planet'" I responded "They story is amazing you must not be playing it right, get off my thread" Point is people will disagree with you on a public forum owned by a game, where there are millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheneria Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 and again... think about the fact that there are TWICE AS MANY PVE SERVERS. and most of them are not even half full, so whats your point. there is no small percantage that wants to roll PVP they are many, otherwise by your own logic the PVP server would all be empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waypoc Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Its not your thread on a public forum, if this was really your thread you could ban me from it, you could review all posts before they go up, if this was your thread the mods could never shut it down. You went from person with a ligament complaint pointed in the wrong area, to a troll.. example. I make a thread that says "Awesome Story" I post "the story is the best ever, thank you bioware!" first response "I have to say I find the story repetitive and boring in places, like on 'x planet'" I responded "They story is amazing you must not be playing it right, get off my thread" Point is people will disagree with you on a public forum owned by a game, where there are millions of people. LOL seriously?? OK you win. What would you like me to say? PM me and i'll post as from me. Let it go... And P.S. - I did everything you listed above already. I just hate repeating myself. Edited January 1, 2012 by Waypoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicmanNC Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 then go take a look at the serverlist atm all pvp servers in NA are full or heavy load while most pve servers are standard think about it again then tell me that there is only a small percentage of people that wants more PVP. I would imagine that the majority of people on a PvP server don't actively seek world PvP all that often. I know I don't very much, but it just feels wrong to see a member of the opposing faction and NOT be able to fight him/her. I had a lot of friends on my PvP WoW server who never PvP'd, and when I asked them about it, they usually said that the PvE servers just "felt wrong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taelin Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 and most of them are not even half full, so whats your point. there is no small percantage that wants to roll PVP they are many, otherwise by your own logic the PVP server would all be empty. ... Math ftw... Ok, you have (random numbers): 15 PvP servers, with 10,000 players each = 150,000 players You also have: 30 PvE servers with 8,000 players each = 240,000 players There are far more people that want to play PvE than PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheneria Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I would imagine that the majority of people on a PvP server don't actively seek world PvP all that often. *facepalm* nice did you have a poll to back that up? because mine said that the majority of people on a PVP Server want to engage people from the other Faction, otherwise they go straight to a PVE Server Edited January 1, 2012 by Sheneria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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