Yeah but who really wants any of this? This will be about a 15 minute distraction from the multitudinous other shortfalls of swtor.

Ahh got it. Thanks.

Awesome! Just one thing? Where are the people?

Fleet doesn't count. The worlds are dead and will continue to be so. They just should have a released a game call "Star Wars Fleet!!". And then just have everything run from there, i.e. - FlashPoints, Raids, etc.. Oh wait, that's what we already have.

lol exactly right. MMORPG developers have lost their integrity.

I agree which is why, while I understand there is a huge generation gap in MMO players from those that played 10 years ago as opposed to those that started within the last 5, using a word like "real", could be viewed as derogatory if you aren't in the "real" crowd. I do think there should be some sort of differentiation between the 2.

Fixed. However the current MMO market is completely borked.

Exactly.

I disagree. I feel a real MMO player is someone that played at the dawn of MMO's and experienced them in all their niche market glory. I think maybe using the word "real" may be offensive. How about using the words "older" or "original" MMO players as opposed to the "new' generation of MMO players.

Because that is the foundation of the genre. And it's a great foundation. I would have no problem with TOR if it just said that it was an mmoRPG LITE or SPORPG and stopped pretending that it was a true MMORPG. What an MMORPG is, is really not up for debate. There are 2 ways to look at it. You either base your viewpoint on what MMORPG's are supposed to be at their core with all the social elements intact. Or, you have a viewpoint based on the bastardized versions of what MMORPG's have become; e.g - Rift, AION, WoW (now), etc... I base my viewpoint on the former when I try to understand SWTOR complete failure in capturing the mmo market. Of course it's early and there is still time. I really think the last of the true MMORPG's was VG, with it's forced grouping, hard content, grind, crafting, housing, harvesting, social aspects, events, etc... So to be clear I'm not knocking the mmoRPG (lite) genre. I thoroughly enjoyed AION & Rift, but I didn't expect a deep MMO. Though ultimately that's why I quite them. I just wish that the "new" breed of MMOlite (SWTOR) was appropriately named as such and didn't pretend. I long for the days of the true MMO. I know there are a couple on the horizon and I cannot wait to play them. Why? Because I'm not in a hurry. I want to be immersed. I can wait for the best gear, highest level, best mount, etc..

Simple answer is that BW wants it that way. They do not encourage grouping. As has been said over and over again and proven true, there is no need to do any group content to advance your character so people don't do it. SWTOR is just not an MMO. MMO-Lite maybe, but that's as far as I'd dare go in describing it.

Forget about commendations, just regular questing gives you great gear which in turn negates the need for groups, crafting, flash points or commendations. If there were a game for mindless drones, this would be it.

You're not MMO'ed out. MMO's have just gotten dumber and we're spoiled by much more thoughtful, albeit grindier, MMO's.

Agree. Except I need to correct your P.S.. swtor is still a great Single Player game.

wow really?

2 Days and you wont have to put up with me anymore....

I did the same exxept I bought 2 CE's and 2 Kids. Thought this would be a family game. Instead it turned out to be a game for the comatose.

It is too carebear.

No. Already canceled. Everything is the end-game. The fact is that if they make a true MMO, the end-game is a distant goal that you know you'll get to but there just is no rush. There is so much more content getting there that you are ok to pause for days or weeks at a time at level 20 let's say and just explore, build, camp, fish, craft, decorate, fish some more, talk to friends, cook, milk an animal to make some awesome drink, train a pet so that one day you can ride it or use it in battle. Oh wait wrong game. Needs more sandbox elements. Add Planets with no specific level range. Just a very mysterious Star Wars planet where you can run into mobs that are level 1 or level 50. All levels are there, low and high. Be Careful No yellow brick road quests where you literally follow a road and questline like a robot to the next quest line or area. It works in other games because they are much more open No exhaustion from running into the desert More mystery. You know, like Star Wars. Ambience. More immersion More in-depth crafting - Crafting that YOU as the player actually have to do and not only your Companion Crafted Gear that matters. How about just gear that matters period. Player Housing on a planet that's non-instanced. No there would not be a blight if they just added rent with limits on how much you could pre-pay. Chat Bubbles Scalable UI Movable UI (not the UI they're promising as we haven't seen it yet. I'm not sure it will fully deliver) Pet Mounts, like the movies. Vehicle Mounts that actually work and feel right. In TOR they just don't feel right. The vehicles in TOR feel and drive like a hula skirt that you're wearing. It feels very fake Community More People - Stop the Sharding/Instancing Pets that are not Companions. That can fight for you. Beasts. Less Gated Gameplay True Open Worlds More in-depth Meaningful Harvesting Remove the mountain Walls, regular walls. Stop making me run 5 miles in one direction to get to an objective that is just on the other side of another wall Broker that works Guild Halls - Non-Instanced No Mobs on every single node and every single path. It's ridiculous No Combat Delay - Still not fluid even after fix. Better Textures. Really bad here. Everything is muddy. Food with Stats crafted by Players Moddable Orange Armor that has a base stat so that it is actually worth something more than appearance. Open World PvP with actual rewards so that everyone isn't always in WZ's on PvP Servers. And NO NOT JUST ILUM Slow level progression down with sandbox elements that would make people slow down because they desire to. Also, it just seems that nothing you do in the SWTOR world really matters. BW's almost doctrinal stance on the solo story design is a mistake. Their stance on solo gameplay as a whole, in an MMO, is a mistake. SWTOR's group content is INCONSEQUENTIAL. If I did 5 fp's total, that would be a lot. There is no need to do them. You do not need to do them to advance in any way. I made it to 50 on one toon and 20 on another in 30 days without them. You say I missed out on great gear??? Really and with what consequence? NONE! And I was constantly ahead of the leveling curve right up to Corellia which is 47-49. The group content is fun that being FP's and Op's but it's old and tired and in the end doesn't matter as everyone will get good enough gear or better gear without trying so there is no point to it. People on the forums tell you do the FP's, OP's, crafting and such but none of it really matters in the end. Crafting : you will loot better gear while PvPing or running regular quests , fps or ops, so no point. Gear is easy to get so everyone will have it so again no point to ops or fp. At end game the game really becomes pointless especially on Ilum as Republic. That's one of the biggest things I come away with is that the game is too easy, too much good gear drops for nothing, no one needs you and you need no one. No middle game content that would make someone slow down. No real Epic questing going on. It's just more like doing assignments. You will get everything you want guaranteed. No risk whatsoever. It's epically boring.

Exactly this.

No it's bad. MMO - Terrible Single Player RPG - Awesome.

Morrowind X-wing vs. TIE Fighter World of Warcraft There ya go. Hope that helps. SW:TOR .

But it's not for MMO immersion sake. You do get that right? It's to keep you as isolated from the community as possible and keep you in their story. It's so that you can be immersed in their SPORPG.

Dev events? Interaction to make for a robust MMO community? Those days are gone. It's the day of the gimme gimme gimme's and the gotta have gotta have gotta have's. There is no time for community or events. The only goal here is to keep subs.

lol good one!!