hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) One of the squishiest classes does a lot of sustained damage, but has no burst. Nerf it! Also, some of the best CC and mobility. Instant Force Speed Instant Dispels Instant Force Stun Instant Force Lift Instant Sever Force Snare Instant Force Slow Instant Bubble for you or teammates Instant Ranged Interupt 3 instant DoTs through the use of talents Instant channeled damage that slows players by 50%. Spammable. Instant Project And for the grande finale 1600 crit Disturbance with a end of cooldown 2800 crit Force of Power using Force Potency is considered burst if you didn't know. Tack on a force Project at the end and get a lucky 24% chance to crit with a double rock and you have an addional 1400-2000 instant damage on that next cooldown. Edited January 1, 2012 by hoylejeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telaan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Also, some of the best CC and mobility. Instant Force Speed Instant Dispels Instant Force Stun Instant Force Lift Instant Sever Force Snare Instant Force Slow Instant Bubble for you or teammates Instant Ranged Interupt 3 instant DoTs through the use of talents Instant channeled damage that slows players by 50%. Spammable. Instant Project And for the grande finale 1600 crit Disturbance with a end of cooldown 2800 crit Force of Power using Force Potency is considered burst if you didn't know. Tack on a force Project at the end and get a lucky 24% chance to crit with a double rock and you have an addional 1400-2000 instant damage on that next cooldown. BAHAHAHAHAHA. All of this possible with the 200 talent points available to all Sages/Sorcerers an no other class. You, sir, fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBurden Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I soo love this game. No matter what class I choose, they all seem to be OP, according to the forum threads =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) BAHAHAHAHAHA. All of this possible with the 200 talent points available to all Sages/Sorcerers an no other class. You, sir, fail. This is what a Balance Sage has. I'll list the skills for you since you are too lazy to do it yourself. Instant Force Speed - This comes natural Instant Dispels - This comes natural Instant Force Stun - This comes natural. 4 seconds. Instant Force Lift - This comes in the balance tree. 2 points. 8 seconds. Instant Sever Force Snare - This is the last skill in the Balance tree called Sever Force. 2 Second snare. Instant Force Slow - This comes natural. Instant Bubble for you or teammates - This comes natural. Instant Ranged Interupt - This comes natural. 3 instant DoTs through the use of talents - Weaken Mind and Sever Force are instant. Mind Crush can become instant if telekinetic force makes it proc. This skill is in the balance tree. Instant channeled damage that slows players by 50%. Spammable. - This skill comes natural. Instant Project - This skill comes natural. And for the rest, it is obvious that it comes natural. I'm sorry you are too ignorant of sages to understand that these are indeed Sage skills. And for that sir, you fail. And um... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - or whatever childish thing you want me to put there to get you back for doing it to me. Edited January 1, 2012 by hoylejeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanous Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 With full level 50 pvp hear nearly EVERY class can kill lesser geared players out of stun. Discuss the real issue before yelling for nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiricahua Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 All of the classes are deadly at level 50. The only thing that needs to happen is to segregate level 50's into their own warzone. Everyone else can play together until they wake up and give us brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scathan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This: http://imageshack.us/f/718/screenshot2011123103491.jpg/ Sub par damage every single one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indelible Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Sub par damage every single one This. The damage output of those Sorcerers is really not impressive at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) This. The damage output of those Sorcerers is really not impressive at all. What... You have no clue how long the match lasted. They could have run up 6 points extremely fast while rolling over them. That would mean that the damage would be lower because there jsut wasn't enough time. I think his point was that Sorcerers and Sages tend to be tops and there tends to be a lot of them. That picture doesn't prove anything. Either way, I get like 400k in some WZs as a Sage. That seems to be a solid amount. Most of the time I sit at like 230k to 350k. Edited January 1, 2012 by hoylejeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herculieas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Also, some of the best CC and mobility. Instant Force Speed Instant Dispels Instant Force Stun Instant Force Lift Instant Sever Force Snare Instant Force Slow Instant Bubble for you or teammates Instant Ranged Interupt 3 instant DoTs through the use of talents Instant channeled damage that slows players by 50%. Spammable. Instant Project And for the grande finale 1600 crit Disturbance with a end of cooldown 2800 crit Force of Power using Force Potency is considered burst if you didn't know. Tack on a force Project at the end and get a lucky 24% chance to crit with a double rock and you have an addional 1400-2000 instant damage on that next cooldown.Wow. Would ya look at that. A class has instant casts. Magical! But riddle me this good sir: doesn't the squishiest class deserve good mobility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnazg Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) you can literally kill anyone within the duration of your stun (which is about 3 GCD's) . Trash. Sorcs have the least burst damage in the game of dps classes. Next lie please. Edited January 1, 2012 by Ashnazg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Wow. Would ya look at that. A class has instant casts. Magical! But riddle me this good sir: doesn't the squishiest class deserve good mobility? Not to this extent, no. Especially since you just plain shouldn't be taking any melee damage at all ever. Pop a bubble. Instant force stun. Instant Force Lift. Wait for snair and then force speed. Pop a slow on him. Pop a snare on him. So many options. Its just way to easy to completely take someone out of the game to the point where you just ignore them while yo focus something else and then turn back on him during a safer moment. Actually, I love the class in its current state and wouldn't mind if they never nerfed it. IF this game did have arenas, I don't think I'd ever enter one without a sage or sorc. They have too much awesome at the moment. Edit: And please remember, I was replying directly to your claim that they don't have burst. I have a ton of burst using the cooldown with disturbance/force of power. You and that video in the other thread fail pretty hard at recognizing their potential burst. I'm not sure why you guys refuse to see a 4k - 6k burst within the space of 1 cast and 2 globals. ForcePotency hit at same time as disturbance. Back end it with Force of Nature. Telekinetic throw at the end of cooldown. That is straight burst and I use it a lot. Edited January 1, 2012 by hoylejeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krobon Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Everything is overpowered, nerf everything and nothing at the same time.. Okay for real, I play a Sith Marauder, I'm currently level 49 and I do plenty of damage, even if I do feel a little bit squishy sometimes but I don't feel weak at all, not against sorcerers or otherwise. The reason you get your *** kicked and the opponents have sorcerers is because you don't have any.. And that sucks because sorcerers are really important in PvP as support in healing and crowd control, but every PvP team needs to consist of something balanced and above all.. Work together to win rather than just fighting like a raging bull. If you have a team that works well together against a team full of people that scurry around, you'll win every time. Now stop talking about everything that's overpowered and learn how to play the bloody game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillbillySith Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This is coming from a 50 Sith Sorcerer. The DPS tree does far too much damage in relation to the utility that the class has. With full epic PvP gear, you can literally kill anyone within the duration of your stun (which is about 3 GCD's) And this is your problem, the game has been out 2 weeks and you have full epic pvp gear at 50? Have you run into a tank in full epic gear at 50? Because you can run around and kill a bunch of bolstered level 15's does not make you OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herculieas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 And please remember, I was replying directly to your claim that they don't have burst. I have a ton of burst using the cooldown with disturbance/force of power. You and that video in the other thread fail pretty hard at recognizing their potential burst. I'm not sure why you guys refuse to see a 4k - 6k burst within the space of 1 cast and 2 globals. What is this Force of Power ability you speak of? I'm curious. I must not have bought it because it's not among my ability page. A Disturbance crit does ~1.3k damage. So this Force of Power ability must have a damage potential of almost 5k. That's incredible. My highest damage dealer, Force in Balance, has only ever crit for 2.6k. Let's say this "Force of Power" nuke does exist, which it doesn't. A Merc can do 6k with one ability. That's LESS than this magical Force of Power 5k nuke, and the Merc can do this while being infinitely more tanky than the Sage. Granted, it's not an instant cast, but neither is this Force of Power ability. Or is it? I really have no idea, considering you made it up. The burst that the Sage has is dwarfed in comparison to other classes. A marauder hit my Sage for more than 4k the other day. This is a melee class which everyone agrees is underpowered, yet, it has more ranged burst than my ranged class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizeri Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) seems like an issue with the overall design of the class. If you keybind your entire keyboard to your force lightning icon and manage to **** face in a warzone then that means the dev's made a really crap class with no depth. Edited January 1, 2012 by Mizeri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISGG Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Not to this extent, no. Especially since you just plain shouldn't be taking any melee damage at all ever. Pop a bubble. Instant force stun. Instant Force Lift. Wait for snair and then force speed. Pop a slow on him. Pop a snare on him. So many options. Its just way to easy to completely take someone out of the game to the point where you just ignore them while yo focus something else and then turn back on him during a safer moment. Actually, I love the class in its current state and wouldn't mind if they never nerfed it. IF this game did have arenas, I don't think I'd ever enter one without a sage or sorc. They have too much awesome at the moment. Edit: And please remember, I was replying directly to your claim that they don't have burst. I have a ton of burst using the cooldown with disturbance/force of power. You and that video in the other thread fail pretty hard at recognizing their potential burst. I'm not sure why you guys refuse to see a 4k - 6k burst within the space of 1 cast and 2 globals. ForcePotency hit at same time as disturbance. Back end it with Force of Nature. Telekinetic throw at the end of cooldown. That is straight burst and I use it a lot. Gotta love the force of nature and wasting force potency on a disturbance. Someones not a sorc or sage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsupra Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I dont think is time yet to call for any nerfs!people still need to gear upand stabilize a good pool of seasoned 50'pvpers to see how things actually work! Sorc/sages have much utility but their dmg output isnt so high even while free casting,let alone having to kite/move to more advantaged positions! One more thing i believe that is important, is that balance is counted in a team perspective(again ,i believe),with active guards and heals!If we start nerfing now,when 50"s with expertise and guard start running around organised well,will feel like godmode!Been in a game that worked with these kind of utilities and i can asure you that no matter how dmg the rest can dish out,a well picked up group can make you spawn in a different mmo Edited January 1, 2012 by tsupra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISGG Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Also, some of the best CC and mobility. Instant Force Speed Instant Dispels Instant Force Stun Instant Force Lift Instant Sever Force Snare Instant Force Slow Instant Bubble for you or teammates Instant Ranged Interupt 3 instant DoTs through the use of talents Instant channeled damage that slows players by 50%. Spammable. Instant Project And for the grande finale 1600 crit Disturbance with a end of cooldown 2800 crit Force of Power using Force Potency is considered burst if you didn't know. Tack on a force Project at the end and get a lucky 24% chance to crit with a double rock and you have an addional 1400-2000 instant damage on that next cooldown. This person just said that 4000 damage in 2 gcds is burst, in the same game where multiple classes can do 8-9k in 2gcds, and where 4000 is not even 30% of peoples health. Edited January 1, 2012 by CHRISGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizwolf Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 How do people come here and cry nerf? A sorcerer need a nerf? So now, I think every class needs one except maybe 2? Holy crap, just play and who cares about 1v1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutsus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This: http://imageshack.us/f/718/screenshot2011123103491.jpg/ How about this? http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii144/sparks03max/swtor2011-12-3114-57-05-43.jpg Any class can be "OP" with a good player against baddies. Get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herculieas Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 How about this? http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii144/sparks03max/swtor2011-12-3114-57-05-43.jpg Any class can be "OP" with a good player against baddies. Get better.This. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 How about this? http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii144/sparks03max/swtor2011-12-3114-57-05-43.jpg Any class can be "OP" with a good player against baddies. Get better. Is that you? I feel bad for whoever gets on your bad side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoylejeremy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 This person just said that 4000 damage in 2 gcds is burst, in the same game where multiple classes can do 8-9k in 2gcds, and where 4000 is not even 30% of peoples health. Actually, that is 4400 guaranteed plus another 1000 - 1600 depending on crits and procs of Project. That is 5400 - 7000. And what class 2 globals for 8/9k please? Show me how it is done since I know you are spouting a big pile of ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutsus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Actually, that is 4400 guaranteed plus another 1000 - 1600 depending on crits and procs of Project. That is 5400 - 7000. And what class 2 globals for 8/9k please? Show me how it is done since I know you are spouting a big pile of ********. On my scoundrel I can pretty easily see shoot first for 6k (has hit for 7k with all buffs/timers going), then 3.5k back blast (has hit for 4300 with all buffs/timers) with a ~58% chance to crit on each. Guardians with a focus spec can crit upwards of 7k with force sweep AOE and follow it up with their execute or blade storm. A gunslinger can throw a sabo charge on you followed by ambush > insta charged burst and do ~9k dmg in 2 GCDs. I'm sure there are plenty more. Edited January 1, 2012 by Kutsus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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