What about the loot???

[Vasyaavast]

Dear Developers, please explain what happened to the loot after the last update??? Before the update, when completing heroic tasks or just traveling around the world, green, blue, purple level 320 items fell from the killed mobs, which could be disassembled into useful materials, or sold to a merchant. Right now, level 8 items are falling out, which can neither be disassembled nor sold. Why do We need such loot??? On flashpoints, too, the loot has become useless. It is impossible to get blue quality items from veteran flashpoints. I also drew attention to the fact that when opening the chests of Alliance specialists, items from the Remnant kits cannot be sold to a merchant, although in patch 6.3 these parts of the kits were sold for 10,000 credits. And none of these innovations were announced by you in the patchnout. Are these bugs or will it be like this all the time now? If there are bugs, please fix them. If these are constant innovations, then they simply devalue Heroic tasks, Flashpoints!

[Wolfheddin]

I also noticed a similar thing today while going through Heroics and Flashpoints. Was this done to make it harder to collect the necessary gear? It's just that if it's really an innovation and not a bug, it devalues Heroics and Flashpoints. Those modes will simply die out, as it will now be impossible to get normal gear and any benefit from them.

[AmigoPC]

Agreed. Why was it necessary to do this? Previously, you could get more gear to destruction, but now you get gear that you can’t do anything with... This change wasn't even in the patch note.

Edited March 13 by AmigoPC

[pyriglena]

I agree, it was pretty disappointing and inconvenient after running flashpoints to find almost all of the loot changed from 320-340 irating pieces to something i have no use for.

[KyraMalakai]

1 hour ago, Vasyaavast said:

I also drew attention to the fact that when opening the chests of Alliance specialists, items from the Remnant kits cannot be sold to a merchant, although in patch 6.3 these parts of the kits were sold for 10,000 credits.

This have been this way since they added the sets to collections but I agree with everything you said.

[ZUHFB]

4 hours ago, pyriglena said:

I agree, it was pretty disappointing and inconvenient after running flashpoints to find almost all of the loot changed from 320-340 irating pieces to something i have no use for.

if you're 340 u already had no use for them

[Jdast]

3 minutes ago, ZUHFB said:

if you're 340 u already had no use for them

On its face, your statement is factually and demonstrably flatly incorrect.

You could deconstruct those items for Tech Fragments and to a lesser extent Conquest Commendations to upgrade Implants and Relics for Alts. You could also purchase OEMs / RPMs either for yourself or to sell on GTN.

Dasty

[ZUHFB]

4 minutes ago, Jdast said:

On its face, your statement is factually and demonstrably flatly incorrect.

You could deconstruct those items for Tech Fragments and to a lesser extent Conquest Commendations to upgrade Implants and Relics for Alts. You could also purchase OEMs / RPMs either for yourself or to sell on GTN.

Dasty

to get an unsignificant amount of fragments - great, oems and rpms sell for nothing, just go buy some creds if you need them that badly

just do conquest for fragments jesus christ its so much faster

[pyriglena]

31 minutes ago, ZUHFB said:

if you're 340 u already had no use for them

Deconstructing gear is the main source of jawa junk, which is 1) a convenient way to buy some low-middle lvl mats instead of gathering nodes/sending companions, 2) the only source to buy gifts for most CM companions, 3) 30 purple jawa junk = 1 solid resource matrix, 5 SRMs are needed for all purple/gold augments

Excuse me, but where else can i get SRMs, from login rewards? To craft 1 augment per month?

[Jdast]

25 minutes ago, ZUHFB said:

to get an unsignificant amount of fragments - great, oems and rpms sell for nothing, just go buy some creds if you need them that badly

just do conquest for fragments jesus christ its so much faster

When your solution is to buy credits from entities that violate the Terms of Service (and violate the ToS yourself by purchasing those credits), it's a pretty clear indication you've lost the argument and are simply trying to save face.

Fortunately, Broadsword acknowledged they went too far, though it remains to be seen how much of a course correction they will deploy.

Suffice it to say, we will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes an insignificant amount of Tech Fragments / Conquest Commendations you could accrue simply by doing Heroics / running the three Treasure Hunting missions continuously while playing.

Suffice it also to say that we will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes "sell for nothing" -- as of 30 seconds ago, both OEMs and RPMs on Star Forge (the only server I play on) were both selling for 32 million each. I don't call that nothing. This doesn't even take into account Solid Resource Matrices.

<<sips martini>>

Dasty

Edited March 13 by Jdast

[ZUHFB]

31 minutes ago, Jdast said:

When your solution is to buy credits from entities that violate the Terms of Service (and violate the ToS yourself by purchasing those credits), it's a pretty clear indication you've lost the argument and are simply trying to save face.

Does it violate ToS with they never act upon it? Sale raids used to yield 100s of billions of credis, 32m for an oem? Holy smoke I'm rich!

32 minutes ago, pyriglena said:

Excuse me, but where else can i get SRMs, from login rewards? To craft 1 augment per month?

Just buy the augs, or buy purple ones, doesn't matter if we're worrying about veteran fp gear drops...

33 minutes ago, pyriglena said:

Deconstructing gear is the main source of jawa junk, which is 1) a convenient way to buy some low-middle lvl mats instead of gathering nodes/sending companions, 2) the only source to buy gifts for most CM companions, 3) 30 purple jawa junk = 1 solid resource matrix

crafting hasn't been touched in years, how do u not have what feels like millions of junk lying around? companions don't matter at all, just buy the 50 boost for dark projects if u want someone on 50

35 minutes ago, Jdast said:

<<sips martini>>

cringe

Veteran Flashpoints only drop trash, used to drop trash and will always drop trash - as they should. There can be no doubt, they're useless.

[Jdast]

1 hour ago, ZUHFB said:

Does it violate ToS with they never act upon it? Sale raids used to yield 100s of billions of credis, 32m for an oem? Holy smoke I'm rich!

Just buy the augs, or buy purple ones, doesn't matter if we're worrying about veteran fp gear drops...

As a matter of fact, yes, it does matter. Maybe not to you, but it does to me and obviously others. Some of us actually like to earn our gear, achievements, etc., in a legitimate fashion.

Your point on sale raids is immaterial and irrelevant. Some of us have something called integrity. I don't buy credits, use cheat codes, use bots, etc., b/c I have something called self-respect. Same reason when I play a round of golf I don't lie on my scorecard. The victory would ring hollow. While I don't consider buying raid runs a violation of the ToS per se (I have no idea how they accrued the requisite credits), I have enough self-esteem that I would not want to be carried. 

It is for that reason that, yes, 32 million credits per OEM / RPM is a lot to me. I hate playing the GTN b/c I find it boring, but even I made billions selling OEMs / RPMs after I got my characters / alts decked out in the 336 Implants, Relics, and Augments appropriate for their respective classes. Still working on getting the Ilvl 340 ones for my Alts. 

FYI, if you play only an hour a day or 10 hours week and the character you're playing has three Level 50 Companions completing the 3 Treasure Hunting missions every 7 minutes, the Tech Fragments add up very, very quickly.

Of course, your whole argument is moot for two reasons:

1) On the main topic at hand, Broadsword disagrees with you and announced on release day of 7.4.1 (i.e., yesterday) they are going to adjust drop rates b/c they went too far.

2) I imagine our exchange on cheating to buy Augments, Companion Gifts, etc. will be nuked by Forum Mods in due course. I doubt the Forum Mods will take too kindly to you openly advocating for players to violate the ToS. While I'm not going to report you (I like winning), I'd be surprised if the last portion of our exchange remained on the forums for very long.

<<pours a second extra large Chopin Vodka martini with a lemon twist (can't stand olives)>>

   

Dasty

Edited March 13 by Jdast
Stupid Typos!

[YaddleTwo]

8 hours ago, Vasyaavast said:

Dear Developers, please explain what happened to the loot after the last update??? Before the update, when completing heroic tasks or just traveling around the world, green, blue, purple level 320 items fell from the killed mobs, which could be disassembled into useful materials, or sold to a merchant. Right now, level 8 items are falling out, which can neither be disassembled nor sold. Why do We need such loot??? On flashpoints, too, the loot has become useless. It is impossible to get blue quality items from veteran flashpoints. I also drew attention to the fact that when opening the chests of Alliance specialists, items from the Remnant kits cannot be sold to a merchant, although in patch 6.3 these parts of the kits were sold for 10,000 credits. And none of these innovations were announced by you in the patchnout. Are these bugs or will it be like this all the time now? If there are bugs, please fix them. If these are constant innovations, then they simply devalue Heroic tasks, Flashpoints!

 

I  miss heroic's being useful and fun too but *waves hands* all of what you said ^

 

 

1 hour ago, Jdast said:

When your solution is to buy credits from entities that violate the Terms of Service (and violate the ToS yourself by purchasing those credits), it's a pretty clear indication you've lost the argument and are simply trying to save face.

Fortunately, Broadsword acknowledged they went too far, though it remains to be seen how much of a course correction they will deploy.

Suffice it to say, we will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes an insignificant amount of Tech Fragments / Conquest Commendations you could accrue simply by doing Heroics / running the three Treasure Hunting missions continuously while playing.

Suffice it also to say that we will just have to agree to disagree on what constitutes "sell for nothing" -- as of 30 seconds ago, both OEMs and RPMs on Star Forge (the only server I play on) were both selling for 32 million each. I don't call that nothing. This doesn't even take into account Solid Resource Matrices.

<<sips martini>>

Dasty

 

13 minutes ago, Jdast said:

As a matter of fact, yes, it does matter. Maybe not to you, but it does to me and obviously others. Some of us actually like to earn our gear, achievements, etc., in a legitimate fashion.

Your point on sale raids is immaterial and irrelevant. Some of us have something called integrity. I don't buy credits, use cheat codes, use bots, etc., b/c I have something called self-respect. Same reason when I play a round of golf I don't lie on my scorecard. The victory would ring hollow. While I don't consider buying raid runs a violation of the ToS per se (I have no idea how they accrued the requisite credits), I have enough self-esteem that I would not want to be carried. 

It is for that reason that, yes, 32 million credits per OEM / RPM is a lot to me. I hate playing the GTN b/c I find it boring, but even I made billions selling OEMs / RPMs after I got my characters / alts decked out in the 336 Implants, Relics, and Augments appropriate for their respective classes. Still working on getting the Ilvl 340 ones for my Alts. 

FYI, if you play only an hour a day or 10 hours and you have the character you're playing have three Level 50 Companions completing the 3 Treasure Hunting missions every 7 minutes, the Tech Fragments add up very, very quickly.

Of course, your whole argument is moot for two reasons:

1) On the main topic at hand, Broadsword disagrees with you and announced on release day of 7.4.1 (i.e., yesterday) they are going to adjust drop rates b/c they went too far.

2) I imagine our exchange on cheating to buy Augments, Companion Gifts, etc. will be nuked by Forum Mods in due course. I don't imagine the Forum Mods will take too kindly to you openly advocating for players to violate the ToS. While I'm not going to report you, I'd be surprised if the last portion of our exchange remains on the forums for very long.

<<pours an an extra large Chopin Vodka martini with a lemon twist (can't stand olives)>>

   

Dasty

 

Agree with pretty much everything you said

[LD_Little_Dragon]

1 hour ago, pyriglena said:

Deconstructing gear is the main source of jawa junk, which is 1) a convenient way to buy some low-middle lvl mats instead of gathering nodes/sending companions, 2) the only source to buy gifts for most CM companions, 3) 30 purple jawa junk = 1 solid resource matrix, 5 SRMs are needed for all purple/gold augments

Excuse me, but where else can i get SRMs, from login rewards? To craft 1 augment per month?

 

37 minutes ago, Jdast said:

As a matter of fact, yes, it does matter. Maybe not to you, but it does to me and obviously others. Some of us actually like to earn our gear, achievements, etc., in a legitimate fashion.

Your point on sale raids is immaterial and irrelevant. Some of us have something called integrity. I don't buy credits, use cheat codes, use bots, etc., b/c I have something called self-respect. Same reason when I play a round of golf I don't lie on my scorecard. The victory would ring hollow. While I don't consider buying raid runs a violation of the ToS per se (I have no idea how they accrued the requisite credits), I have enough self-esteem that I would not want to be carried. 

It is for that reason that, yes, 32 million credits per OEM / RPM is a lot to me. I hate playing the GTN b/c I find it boring, but even I made billions selling OEMs / RPMs after I got my characters / alts decked out in the 336 Implants, Relics, and Augments appropriate for their respective classes. Still working on getting the Ilvl 340 ones for my Alts. 

FYI, if you play only an hour a day or 10 hours week and you the character you're playing has three Level 50 Companions completing the 3 Treasure Hunting missions every 7 minutes, the Tech Fragments add up very, very quickly.

Of course, your whole argument is moot for two reasons:

1) On the main topic at hand, Broadsword disagrees with you and announced on release day of 7.4.1 (i.e., yesterday) they are going to adjust drop rates b/c they went too far.

2) I imagine our exchange on cheating to buy Augments, Companion Gifts, etc. will be nuked by Forum Mods in due course. I doubt the Forum Mods will take too kindly to you openly advocating for players to violate the ToS. While I'm not going to report you (I like winning), I'd be surprised if the last portion of our exchange remained on the forums for very long.

<<pours a second extra large Chopin Vodka martini with a lemon twist (can't stand olives)>>

   

Dasty

No reactions left, so quoting the points I agree with.

Some players support the dev's questionable decisions simply because it doesn't affect them or their playstyle. 

There should be no right way or wrong way to play swtor, all activities should be rewarding (even if quality if rewards varies, faceroll stuff shouldn't be rewarded same as actual challenging stuff).

 

[ZUHFB]

52 minutes ago, Jdast said:

2) I imagine our exchange on cheating to buy Augments, Companion Gifts, etc. will be nuked by Forum Mods in due course. I doubt the Forum Mods will take too kindly to you openly advocating for players to violate the ToS

I did not say to go buy credits, I was critquing their ability to moderate obvious RMT because I unlike you know how

53 minutes ago, Jdast said:

([...] they accrued the requisite credits)

they bought them. And they did not get banned. I'm just pointing out the reality and absurdity of the situation.

13 minutes ago, LD_Little_Dragon said:

Some players support the dev's questionable decisions simply because it doesn't affect them or their playstyle

Ah okay, so when ranked gets nuked the devs made a smart decision, but now that it is vice verca it is of course a different situation.

I just wanted to yet again convince myself about the insane hypocracy of the forums. Of course it worked, it always does.

[LD_Little_Dragon]

13 minutes ago, ZUHFB said:

Ah okay, so when ranked gets nuked the devs made a smart decision, but now that it is vice verca it is of course a different situation.

 

Don't assume so much.|

I never played ranked, but also could see why removing it was a bonehead move.

Same with the Shae Vizla nonsense.  I'm in NA so it doesn't really affect me, but it's still easy to see that the dev's are basically screwing over long-time APAC players.

 

That's my point.  Empathy means you don't have to be personally affected by something to understand why someone else could be upset by it.

 

[Vasyaavast]

15 hours ago, ZUHFB said:

Нарушает ли это ToS, если они никогда не действуют в соответствии с ним? Раньше рейды по продаже приносили сотни миллиардов кредитов, 32 миллиона за OEM? Господи, я богат!

Просто купите аугменты или купите фиолетовые, не имеет значения, беспокоимся ли мы о выпадении ветеранского снаряжения...

ремесло не трогали годами, как у вас нет того, что кажется миллионами хлама, валяющихся повсюду? компаньоны вообще не имеют значения, просто купите буст 50 для темных проектов, если хотите, чтобы кто-то был на 50

съеживаться

Из ветеранских точек воспламенения выпадает только мусор, раньше они выбрасывали мусор и всегда будут выбрасывать мусор - как и должно быть. Не может быть сомнений, они бесполезны.

Dear, tell me why you are imposing on us the only option, as it seems to you, with the purchase of loans from someone? Or by purchasing something on GTN, where there is no price adjustment. The problem I described turned out to affect a lot of players, and these are players who want to enjoy the gameplay, and not become a player who plays for the numbers in starparse. And low-ranking loot in the form of 320-level items was an easy way to get scrubs, you can't put slicing on all the characters, and I don't have so much free time to sit in the game for 100,500 hours, I'm an adult, I have a family, a job, and the game is just a way of entertainment. Therefore, I think the Developers SHOULD roll back this change. Because it goes to the detriment of the players.

[Vasyaavast]

21 hours ago, KyraMalakai said:

Так было с тех пор, как наборы добавили в коллекции, но я согласен со всем, что вы сказали.

In 6.3, parts of these sets were sold to merchants, although they were available in collections. Plus, to be honest, it annoys me that things that fall out on flashpoints and operations become tied to the legacy, what prevents them from being made free for sale through GTN, as in the same Warcraft??? we simply do not have things for high ranks that can be bought on GTN, just not.

[KyraMalakai]

1 hour ago, Vasyaavast said:

In 6.3, parts of these sets were sold to merchants, although they were available in collections.

This is not true, remnant sets were only added to collections with 7.0 during 6.3 you could sell them to vendors for over 10k a piece but not since 7.0 launched.

[MagicTerror]

On 3/13/2024 at 12:33 AM, Vasyaavast said:

Dear Developers, please explain what happened to the loot after the last update??? Before the update, when completing heroic tasks or just traveling around the world, green, blue, purple level 320 items fell from the killed mobs, which could be disassembled into useful materials, or sold to a merchant. Right now, level 8 items are falling out, which can neither be disassembled nor sold. Why do We need such loot??? On flashpoints, too, the loot has become useless. It is impossible to get blue quality items from veteran flashpoints. I also drew attention to the fact that when opening the chests of Alliance specialists, items from the Remnant kits cannot be sold to a merchant, although in patch 6.3 these parts of the kits were sold for 10,000 credits. And none of these innovations were announced by you in the patchnout. Are these bugs or will it be like this all the time now? If there are bugs, please fix them. If these are constant innovations, then they simply devalue Heroic tasks, Flashpoints!

I agree with the need for a coherent explanation. This is literally the only thing besides token credit amounts and grey junk that drops from random enemies, minor unique champions, and blue security crates anymore; at first I assumed it was just at lvl 80 which I'd mayybe understand more, but no it's on my lvling toons too.

They could have done something with trash that made people *not* want to skip it all the time, and instead this will have the complete opposite effect. This stuff is 100% useless except for people who enjoy playing dress-up with their outfitter the entire time they're playing (i.e. not actually, you know, *playing* the game and going into the world killing enemies), and it drops so often that it clogs up your inventory significantly quickly. Right now anything that doesn't fit RP-wise with my one new sage is getting trashed as a complete waste of a drop

I was happy to do trash now and then because there was a chance a companion gift or something else marginally valuable would drop out of it, now players are going to go to even greater lengths to avoid random trash. It doesn't even have usable stats that could be a nice addition to players of that level, or more likely lvling toons.

Spamming generic outfitter items simply defies any possible rationale that could come into my head on how this might even boost sales in-game. I do not understand it and therefore I'm doubly teed off about it

Edited March 16 by MagicTerror