Totemdancer Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) 22 pvp pops yesterday. Only 4 weren’t Vandin. This pop % is outrageous and needs fixing fast. Edited November 24, 2018 by Totemdancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 It can be anywhere from 90 to 98% of all stupid maps, it's Vandin, and i can make Videos Showing EVERYONE leaving this stupid thing. I can prove it easily, but does Bioware want me to post the Fact that at least Half of everyone that gets on these maps leaves before we even bloody start. I won't play it either, unless i'm on a cloaker, if even that. They should have stopped the Spamming of this map when they took down they took the servers down last week:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 22 pvp pops yesterday. Only 4 weren’t Vandin. This pop % is outrageous and needs fixing fast. Only 22, what server you on because on the Satele Shan for my characters it only takes a couple hours to hit 22 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyAnn Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Regarding the title of this thread: "Wlll you please address the fact that everyone 100% hates Vandin"... the answer is no. They will not address this. Because they know that it is not everyone, and not 100%, but even if it was, they would not address it. The time to address it based on player feedback was on the PTS. In August. You missed the boat. Nothing will be "addressed" other than to decrease the % of the time it appears in the rotation at some point. I'm thinking they likely haven't adjusted that since it went in, being no other new content has come along to replace it on the "what's new here?" scale. Once there is something new in the game (like... 5.10 maybe), then I would expect the extra weight in the RNG of that map popping will likely decrease. Until then, you're free to express your disapproval but I wouldn't hold your breath over anything "being addressed", but especially exaggerated claims about their newest game content. Cheers! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totemdancer Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Only 22, what server you on because on the Satele Shan for my characters it only takes a couple hours to hit 22 times. Star Forge and I play outside of primetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulsutherland Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I don't know what it is about this one but it feels very generic compared to the other two. That and having it pop near every time is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Most of us on Satele Shan hate it, i guess a vocal minority like it on these forums. I refuse to play most of the time along with most other that log out as well. But i'm sick and friggin' tired of that map. it;s on 90% of all maps. BioWare only needs to see EVERYONE Jumping ship on this map to know how bad it is. We do appreciate Bioware trying to help Pvp, but this is a terrible spamming rotation. It's always easy to claim to be in a majority, isn't it? Or to throw others into a vocal minority, no? You know nothing of the data ingame. I know nothing of the data ingame. Not a single person posting in this thread knows anything about the data ingame. Only Bioware has the data, the objective and unbiased data. So in all honesty? All the "facts" expressed here are nothing more but subjective conjecture. None of you are experts, no matter how much you believe it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sareeph Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 It's always easy to claim to be in a majority, isn't it? Or to throw others into a vocal minority, no? You know nothing of the data ingame. I know nothing of the data ingame. Not a single person posting in this thread knows anything about the data ingame. Only Bioware has the data, the objective and unbiased data. So in all honesty? All the "facts" expressed here are nothing more but subjective conjecture. None of you are experts, no matter how much you believe it yourself. Huzzah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 If they were to remove WZs based on the percentage of quitters per match, I am pretty sure OPG would be the first to get the boot. They really ought to consider granting some choices for players regarding WZs. At the very least allow the player to choose 3 WZs they can eliminate from their queue lists. I'd remove OPG, QueshBallz, and Vandin most likely. Sometimes I used to be in the mood for OPG, so on those times I'd then remove that reskin of Civil War if I left OPG in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandFlurry Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) It's always easy to claim to be in a majority, isn't it? Or to throw others into a vocal minority, no? You know nothing of the data ingame. I know nothing of the data ingame. Not a single person posting in this thread knows anything about the data ingame. Only Bioware has the data, the objective and unbiased data. So in all honesty? All the "facts" expressed here are nothing more but subjective conjecture. None of you are experts, no matter how much you believe it yourself. I know a Lot more than you do. I am able to get data from some places, and have been around this business a long time, so unlike you i do know what i'm talking about. I could Upload videos , but that can take a whole day out of my time. If you don't see what's right in front you, than your blind, and not seeing reality. Don't put me into your camp of not knowing when i do know.. All anyone has to do is try these Warzones in pvp, and everyone will see that a good half or more of the people will either leave the Warzone, or they have just stopped playing Pvp now. Don't go around lying about what i do or do not know, when you know not who i am, i've been doing this stuff over 20 years. Edited November 26, 2018 by MandFlurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) I know a Lot more than you do. I am able to get data from some places, and have been around this business a long time, so unlike you i do know what i'm talking about. I could Upload videos , but that can take a whole day out of my time. If you don't see what's right in front you, than your blind, and not seeing reality. Don't put me into your camp of not knowing when i do know.. All anyone has to do is try these Warzones in pvp, and everyone will see that a good half or more of the people will either leave the Warzone, or they have just stopped playing Pvp now. Don't go around lying about what i do or do not know, when you know not who i am, i've been doing this stuff over 20 years. All I have is your word... and believe me, it's incredibly difficult to believe you'd have any more information about this than any other player. If you claim something you need to back it up with proof. Calling me a liar or saying I don't know anything comes across as somewhat childish. That's the easy way out of an argument when you don't have proof to back it up. You know what I see when I PvP? People leave warzones whenever they want and like, no matter whether it's Vandin, Alderaan or the Hypergate. I really see no difference in player behaviour on my server between the Vandin warzone and other warzones (I'm on Darth Malgus if you need to know). If people do badly during the match, some players leave, but that's been happening for ages. I never saw anyone leave because it was the Vandin map yet. A piece of advice: just because you claim to have been around this business for 20 years (which for some reason I doubt), that does not make you right by default. Seniority doesn't equal having obtained the truth. You might have one experience, but someone else might have an entirely different experience and the fact they see something differently than you does not make them wrong. But surely if you have been around for 20 years in this business life ought to have taught you that by now... Edited November 26, 2018 by Ylliarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paziqi Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 All I have is your word... and believe me, it's incredibly difficult to believe you'd have any more information about this than any other player. If you claim something you need to back it up with proof. Calling me a liar or saying I don't know anything comes across as somewhat childish. That's the easy way out of an argument when you don't have proof to back it up. You know what I see when I PvP? People leave warzones whenever they want and like, no matter whether it's Vandin, Alderaan or the Hypergate. I really see no difference in player behaviour on my server between the Vandin warzone and other warzones (I'm on Darth Malgus if you need to know). If people do badly during the match, some players leave, but that's been happening for ages. I never saw anyone leave because it was the Vandin map yet. A piece of advice: just because you claim to have been around this business for 20 years (which for some reason I doubt), that does not make you right by default. Seniority doesn't equal having obtained the truth. You might have one experience, but someone else might have an entirely different experience and the fact they see something differently than you does not make them wrong. But surely if you have been around for 20 years in this business life ought to have taught you that by now... ^This, 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimarb Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 i think vandin is imo the best huttball map. problems are the higher priority of this map still after a long time since release and d-sync. but i dont know why we have 3 huttball maps, cause i dont know anybody whos favourite mode is huttball... we definitly need more fresh rule sets for the next warzones. and please dont do game modes like odessen proving grounds. it's awful by design. there are so many stupid design mistakes in it assassins cant vanish with buff - sorcs can go bubble and still have buff or block capture field... snipers,fury maras and io mercs can use red buff without being able to be stopped...thats idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totemdancer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Vandin has popped a lot less today. Only 4 out of 20 matches. Anyone else notice this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 5 Vandins in a row Saturday afternoon on DM. No-one uses the catwalks much. Pickup ball run to pit throw ball to stealthier on endzone, repeat. Even worse when the stun breaker is disabled. As soon as the first CC goes in, everyone just jumps the ball carrier, so there's little passing or objective play. 2 stealthers, one with roll, and a 1/2 decent healer can carry many games. Fire and electricity choke points ratio of on to off probably needs adjusting. And both synched the same means a lot of waiting around. - even if you're not using pit as a shortcut. There's a feedback thread in the PvP section. - Still going strong. The design didn't make any great leaps forward. I love Huttball. but this is by far the worst map. I'd actually prefer a re-skin of the original map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirorx Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) I have always enjoyed huttball. If you have two good teams playing tactically, its a lot of fun. This is why i would love to see 8 man Ranked pvp again. It was cool like that back then ALSO, CAN WE PLEASE BE ABLE TO Que for both Ranked and Unranked. Ranked is not as scary as people make it seem. but queing for it solo is pointless. Edited November 26, 2018 by kirorx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalleraLane Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Regarding the title of this thread: "Wlll you please address the fact that everyone 100% hates Vandin"... the answer is no. They will not address this. Because they know that it is not everyone, and not 100%, but even if it was, they would not address it. The time to address it based on player feedback was on the PTS. In August. You missed the boat. Nothing will be "addressed" other than to decrease the % of the time it appears in the rotation at some point. I'm thinking they likely haven't adjusted that since it went in, being no other new content has come along to replace it on the "what's new here?" scale. Once there is something new in the game (like... 5.10 maybe), then I would expect the extra weight in the RNG of that map popping will likely decrease. Until then, you're free to express your disapproval but I wouldn't hold your breath over anything "being addressed", but especially exaggerated claims about their newest game content. Cheers! . Nicely put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon_strikes Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Regarding the title of this thread: "Wlll you please address the fact that everyone 100% hates Vandin"... the answer is no. They will not address this. Because they know that it is not everyone, and not 100%, but even if it was, they would not address it. The time to address it based on player feedback was on the PTS. In August. You missed the boat. Nothing will be "addressed" other than to decrease the % of the time it appears in the rotation at some point. I'm thinking they likely haven't adjusted that since it went in, being no other new content has come along to replace it on the "what's new here?" scale. Once there is something new in the game (like... 5.10 maybe), then I would expect the extra weight in the RNG of that map popping will likely decrease. Until then, you're free to express your disapproval but I wouldn't hold your breath over anything "being addressed", but especially exaggerated claims about their newest game content. Cheers! . It's not exaggerated if it's true. People hate Vandin because of how many times it pops up, all of the gimmicks on the map, and most importantly, the god awful d-sync and lag that this Huttball map (and Queshball) creates. Please stop with the deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totemdancer Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 It’s definitely popping less. I just wish Odessen would stop popping in place of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightblazer Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Prooff that 100% of the entire player base across all servers have stated that they hate Vandin??? If no proof, should change title to state: "WIll you please address the fact that many players hate Vandin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabsus Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 it was the same with odessen, when it was introduced. also this was a wrong decision, imo. personally i'm fine with the idea, to split the maps into categories and switch the categorie each new map. 1.) huttball maps 2.) novare, hypergate, alderaan, yavin 3.) voidstar 4.) odessen *.) arena maps *.) if not enough players in queue to open another 8vs8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 It's not exaggerated if it's true. People hate Vandin because of how many times it pops up, all of the gimmicks on the map, and most importantly, the god awful d-sync and lag that this Huttball map (and Queshball) creates. Please stop with the deflection. Then I am kindly asking you to produce the irrefutable, objective and factual evidence that everyone in this game, every single player, 100% hates Vandin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerileth Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Then I am kindly asking you to produce the irrefutable, objective and factual evidence that everyone in this game, every single player, 100% hates Vandin. Would if....50% of the players hate it, but they hate it doubly? Edited November 27, 2018 by Zerileth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) Would if....50% of the players hate it, but they hate it doubly? If that is true... then my intense hatred for the Eternal Alliance means that everyone 3000% hates it! Because I assure you, my hatred for it is strong, to put it mildly xD Edited November 28, 2018 by Ylliarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 This thread has been hanging around for too long... OP, hyperbole doesn't impress people. It's certainly not going to help you get on the devs radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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