Hadesborn Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Seriously! This RNG needs to be looked at. I will filing a formal complaint, you can bet on it. Edited July 28, 2017 by Hadesborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Seriously! This RNG needs to be looked at. I will filing a formal complaint, you can bet on it. What? You're complaining that random numbers are random? Why is that a surprise? True random numbers in the input stream *could* give you the same carppy bronze thing for every slot that allows it, or a puce-chartreuse-ecru colour crystal(1) every time, for a thousand crates. It's a little unlikely, but if the "RNG" *can't* do that, it isn't random. (1) For reference: my character Be-bop'alula actually uses a pink-core/yellow-bloom crystal in her dualsabre. I have nothing, as such, against pink and the like. The first CM speeder I ever bought was the Aratech Rose, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadesborn Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Did you read my post or just the title? I said the RNG needs to be looked at. If a person spends $50 on a pack, there needs to be at least ONE gold item out of 26 tries. It isn't hard to code that in, it is simply an algorithm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IIHawkerII Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Did you read my post or just the title? I said the RNG needs to be looked at. If a person spends $50 on a pack, there needs to be at least ONE gold item out of 26 tries. It isn't hard to code that in, it is simply an algorithm. Friend, your title was more informative than your actual post. >_> And I'm sorry, but you got the extreme short end of the deal. It sucks, but it's not a 'glitch' or 'bug' with the system, you've just been dealt an unlucky hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Did you read my post or just the title? I said the RNG needs to be looked at. If a person spends $50 on a pack, there needs to be at least ONE gold item out of 26 tries. It isn't hard to code that in, it is simply an algorithm. They used to have a special pack in hypercrates, called a "Platinum Pack". They added them to some of the last crates available before 4.0 came out, compared to before. The Platinum Pack guaranteed to drop one gold-rarity item. (At the time, platinum rarity didn't exist.) People came on the forums complaining that the RNG screwed them over by not giving them the specific gold-rarity item they wanted. And it would be harder than you think to put code in for that. Individual packs and the packs extracted from a supercrate or hypercrate are exactly the same item. (Also, if I buy a crate, I get a discount compared to buying that many packs separately, so I shouldn't expect any special me-favouring behaviour from the crate.) So the changes required would be: * The return of the Platinum Pack. OR: * Make crate-sourced packs and direct-buy packs different items. * Mangle the Pack Explorer so that it knows that this stack of packs must provide a gold item. It's not clear whether that means "make the first one do it" (roughly equivalent to the return of the Platinum Pack) or "make it keep track and if the hasn't been a gold, make the last pack give one". * Make the packs from a single hypercrate unable to stack with the packs from a different hypercrate of the same type. * Make the stack of packs from a single hypercrate unable to be split. (OPTION: make it so that splitting the stack makes both substacks into "normal" packs.) * Add some unusual "binding" behaviour so that the stack can be traded / GTNed to other players until you touch even one pack from it. OR: * Make the Pack Explorer able to open packs that are still inside a hypercrate. * Make the hypercrate itself unable to be "unpacked". All in all, restoring the Platinum Pack seems to be the least bad choice. But you must promise not to complain if you get a gold item you didn't want, or if you were feeling rich and bought a dozen crates and still didn't get the gold item you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Did you read my post or just the title? I said the RNG needs to be looked at. If a person spends $50 on a pack, there needs to be at least ONE gold item out of 26 tries. It isn't hard to code that in, it is simply an algorithm. Why does there need to be at least one gold item? Where in the item description do they promise that? They sell you RNG and you decided to buy it. Of course it would be nice if you would get a guaranteed gold item, but that's not what they sell and you bought the item under the current circumstances nonetheless. I understand your disapointment, but it looks a bit weird if you state that you will file a complain about it. You got what you paid for: one hypercrate of RNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratajack Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Seriously! This RNG needs to be looked at. I will filing a formal complaint, you can bet on it. You got exactly what you paid to receive. Try going to a casino and complaining that you put $50 in a slot machine and didn't hit the jackpot. Let me know how that works out for you. It has been stated many times on these forums that if you want a specific item, the best course of action is to buy it via the GTN. If you are going to purchase packs/hypercrates looking for a specific item, the best course of action is to sell the unopened packs or hypercrates and use the resulting credits to purchase the item that you want. It may take more than one pack/hypercrate to earn the necessary credits, but it might take more than one pack/hypercrate to find the item you want, if you chose to open those packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xina_LA Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 It has been stated many times on these forums that if you want a specific item, the best course of action is to buy it via the GTN. You can only buy things in the GTN if lots of people buy the packs and don't keep the items, in sufficient numbers that the prices aren't astronomical. With the item drops in the packs getting so bad, fewer people are buying packs. Rarity is increasing, along with prices and availability. The secondary market is breaking down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadesborn Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Try going to a casino and complaining that you put $50 in a slot machine and didn't hit the jackpot. Let me know how that works out for you. Getting a gold item is HARDLY a jackpot. Yes, bringing back the platinum pack when you purchase a hypercrate is an excellent idea. No, I would never complain that I received a crappy gold item, because I know the alternative. I am dealing with the alternative right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadesborn Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Why does there need to be at least one gold item? Where in the item description do they promise that? They sell you RNG and you decided to buy it. Of course it would be nice if you would get a guaranteed gold item, but that's not what they sell and you bought the item under the current circumstances nonetheless. I understand your disapointment, but it looks a bit weird if you state that you will file a complain about it. You got what you paid for: one hypercrate of RNG. You are right, but I am asking that the RNG be looked at or a guarantee of one gold item when purchasing a hypercrate be added. You are not understanding that it really is in their best interest to make this happen. Just like when selling anything, you get more return customers when you give them "just a taste" of the good life. If you leave you customers feeling like they got ripped off completely, you will lose them forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadesborn Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Why does there need to be at least one gold item? Because, $50 is a heck of a lot of cash to spend and not even get one gold item. Because gold items aren't that special, but they are, when you get one, a reason to buy more packs. It is in their best interest to make that happen. If you dangle a carrot on a string long enough without giving the target a taste, they simply will go elsewhere. BUT, if you occasionally give them a small taste of that carrot, they simply will chase you forever. Even drug dealers have figured that one out. Also, I post a forum post about a change that I personally think should happen and I get flamed for it. My question is this, would they change anything if I didn't say anything? Change isn't going to happen unless posts like these are created. It is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SourOrange Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 This is the truth of gamble packs. You could spend a thousand dollars on them and come away with only bronze and silver items because it's randomized and there is no guarantee. It's a skeevy marketing technique to exploit destructive behaviour and addictions, and if you'd be open to my advice, you're better off never touching them. Firstly it reinforces the idea that the (almost literal) scam EAware is peddling is somehow acceptable. Secondly, an assured purchase is a wise investment. You'd be better off spending that money on a direct sale set, or better yet, anywhere else than EA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 This is the truth of gamble packs. You could spend a thousand dollars on them and come away with only bronze and silver items because it's randomized and there is no guarantee. It's a skeevy marketing technique to exploit destructive behaviour and addictions, and if you'd be open to my advice, you're better off never touching them. Firstly it reinforces the idea that the (almost literal) scam EAware is peddling is somehow acceptable. Secondly, an assured purchase is a wise investment. You'd be better off spending that money on a direct sale set, or better yet, anywhere else than EA. It's not just SWTOR that has these. Almost all MMORPGs have them one way or another. (Noteworthy for not featuring them, as far as I can see, is FFXIV.) It *isn't* any kind of scam. They are information-deficient as to the odds of getting this or that rarity tier, but there isn't any kind of dishonesty. And my view is that there are two worthwhile ways to use them. * First, buy the crates and sell them. (Option: open the crates and sell the packs instead.) Use the proceeds to buy items offered for sale by other players. * Second, buy the crates, and open them to get the packs, and open the packs to amuse yourself seeing what you get. There's no "goal" here except amusement value. If you get something interesting, hey, so much the better. If you get two of the interesting thing, keep one and sell the other. If you don't find it interesting, put it on the GTN because someone might be interested. But don't open them *to* get item X, or item-rarity Y. That's a fool's errand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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