MVPddark Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Please explain how cheap hosting is for us. pretty sure its not costing anywhere near £9 million per 1 million players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisamcnicholas Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 This is like the thread from earlier where the dev from a failed MMO tried to tell us how the industry works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avacir Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 pretty sure its not costing anywhere near £9 million per 1 million players 'Pretty sure' doesn't sound like factual information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbrass Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 And you obviously don't understand how cheap hosting actually is compared to how much they make, as well as how much the developers are sat laughing at how much stupid people like yourself are paying them for nothing, narrow minded idiots like yourself keep these lot rich lmao ZOMG must be dat hosting im paying 4!!!! And of course you have quotes to back up this claim of incredible cheapness when hosting a game with 1 million + users. You don't? Oh well then. I just feel sorry for the "mate" you got you to buy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyBigBoss Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 You have no idea how expensive data hosting is. This would be a non-profitable game if it only sold boxes and had no microtransaction system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPddark Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Welcome to the world of business. Last time I checked EA/Bioware was not a charity that was just there to provide free entertainment to the people of the world. No, they are in business to make a profit. It isn't greedy, it is how the world works. In case you don't get it, let me break it down. In order for people to buy stuff (like games), they have to go to work to make money. If the company they work for doesn't make money, they aren't going to be in business anymore and those employees will no longer have money to buy things. In short, businesses operate to make a profit. If you don't like it, go live in a commune where you can get all you need to survive from the land. For the rest of us, we will stay in the modern world. Funny how games like Guildwars could still make profit and stay in business whilst keeping their game free. Lemme explain to you how greed works... they make you believe that the only way to keep the game going is for you to pay more... people like yourself fall for that scam, pay silly amounts of money and the game stays the same, expansion packs come out 6 months down the line, and hey presto you've paid even more money for a game that still hasn't changed... lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowfatto Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Here is a legit question.... *** am i paying for... i go into gamestation to get this game coz my mate says its quite a fun mmo, to find that i am being asked to pay £45 for the game. Ok fine i can deal with that, new release title ect you expect to be paying £30 and up. However i then notice that you need to have an online subscription to play.... of £9 a month. So what have i paid £45 for? This game is made by a bunch of greedy *****s just like that of WoW. They arnt happy enough to make the millions out of you by selling the game alone, they have to go that 1 bit further and squeeze as much out of you as they possibly can. Think of games like Guildwars. Im sure most of you MMO fans will have played guildwars, and found that after paying your £20 for the game you dont have to pay any more and you get all content and updates absolutely free.. Why is it that they can do it and SWTOR cant? and its all down to greed. Tbh if your gunna expect people to pay to play the game then make the game itself free.. how can you charge some1 so much for a bunch of discs they cant use untill they pay you more. Before u all sit there going troll.. troll.. troll, think about it... what is that £9 a month ur paying actually buying you that the £45 you paid to get the game didnt.... ur not getting any benifits, any added content or anything like that just teh ability to play the game you already bought Do you pay your bills and then say no more, they already made enough! No, you keep paying them so you get a service. You are apparently ignorant of what it takes to run a MMORPG. Servers aren't free and additional content and xpansoins, and fixing of bugs isn't free either. A single RPG game is a one time cost, the game is complete when you get it exception a patch or two here and there, it's not at all the same for a MMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidpop Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Then go buy an xbox game, no one is forcing you to play swtor! haha, get it...like the force... But, but, Xbox live costs 9£ a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowfatto Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Funny how games like Guildwars could still make profit and stay in business whilst keeping their game free. Lemme explain to you how greed works... they make you believe that the only way to keep the game going is for you to pay more... people like yourself fall for that scam, pay silly amounts of money and the game stays the same, expansion packs come out 6 months down the line, and hey presto you've paid even more money for a game that still hasn't changed... lmao Why don't you set up some free servers than, see how you make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avacir Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Funny how games like Guildwars could still make profit and stay in business whilst keeping their game free. Lemme explain to you how greed works... they make you believe that the only way to keep the game going is for you to pay more... people like yourself fall for that scam, pay silly amounts of money and the game stays the same, expansion packs come out 6 months down the line, and hey presto you've paid even more money for a game that still hasn't changed... lmao If the system repulses you this much, simply stop playing and go play one of the 'non-greedy' F2P MMO's out there. Problem solved. For you, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandrax Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's a MMO. What on earth were you expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yowfatto Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 fact is there r games out there which r also mmo's that can do the same but for free, it seems that u all just like to throw ur mums money around without a thought of what ur actually doing with it lmao if hosting is so expensive then y is it that guildwars can let you play for free and give you content? And with other things you pay for you can buy the game and still play without having to pay a subscription.... most games come with an OPTIONAL fee that gives you added benifits, like with xbox.. you can still play the games you buy without having to pay to go online. like i said it comes down to greed. They are NOT free, you pay for microtransactions in the game, if you don't your character will be pitiful. You are woefully ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurSid Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 The last time I checked, the average new XBOX game was $65 or more. Then add in the sub to XBOX live. Really it all works out to be the same, you just don't realize it because you spent >$300 on the console and have other $65 games to buy. So in the end, with the exception of some F2P online games, we all pay a monthly fee, some just bill you once per year, others are monthly, some titles you buy more than once, and some you only have to buy once and the monthly sub grants updated content. If all I play is SWTOR and already have a nice computer because I use a computer everyday, I will end up spending less playing one MMO then having a console and buying new $65 games ever couple months on something like XBOX live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPddark Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Why don't you set up some free servers than, see how you make out. Fact is other big MMO's have done it free and made substantial profit, the fact that you like most of the people who have posted on this thread all believe that the cost of hosting is so expensive that we must pay them loads of cash to play shows how easily tehy can suck cash from you =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerfius Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Funny how games like Guildwars could still make profit and stay in business whilst keeping their game free. Lemme explain to you how greed works... they make you believe that the only way to keep the game going is for you to pay more... people like yourself fall for that scam, pay silly amounts of money and the game stays the same, expansion packs come out 6 months down the line, and hey presto you've paid even more money for a game that still hasn't changed... lmao I played GW, it was terrible in my opinion. Not worth my time even though it was free. As to my post, the point was that is a business. If you don't like it, take your dollars elsewhere and there will be less reason for this business model to persist. As it is, the EA's and Blizzards of the world make far more money then the developer behind GW which allows them to put out other high quality games. But again, if you do not like the model, do not participate. Games like EQ, DAOC, UO, WOW, SWG and SWTOR have proved that people are willing, able, and anxious to pay to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanguar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 OP you say all this and still bought the game? or you forgot to check in store is this game is f2p or p2p? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enthusiast Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) And you obviously don't understand how cheap hosting actually is compared to how much they make, as well as how much the developers are sat laughing at how much stupid people like yourself are paying them for nothing, narrow minded idiots like yourself keep these lot rich lmao ZOMG must be dat hosting im paying 4!!!! You openly flame and call the people here narrow minded idiots, when tons of people here have given you multiple examples of what the monthly subscription is for, yet you blatantly ignore these examples, and continue to fling insults. Who is the narrow minded one again? Not only are the monthly subscriptions for server cost (you say it's not that much, but considering the magnitude of people playing on each server, what with all the waiting times etc. the costs add up, especially for maintenece and upkeep.) Yes there are F2P MMo's out there that still run servers, however you have to understand that most of them did not start out free to play, and when they switched, it was because they were still losing money, and they made sacrifices, like employee cuts, customer service cutbacks, and server reduction. Some also utilize other options like charging for bonus perks or items. Nothing is ever free. This game has been out for a week and one day. Bioware appears to be eager to please and have informed us what they wish to add int he near future. That is another thing our subscriptions are paying for, not just the continued support of the game. There are tons of games that are free to play but continue to recieve support. (diablo 2 is a great example) We also pay subscriptions for the hope of endless content, for large patches where a new zone is released, new items, new companion, flashpoints, etc. Sure they arrive in small doses, but the subscriptions keep the bioware employees paid, so they can produce them. Then you have expansions, sure you have to pay for those, but the good ones are usually the size of a whole game, so I don't mind paying it. So here is the TL;DR version, our subscriptions are paying for continued support, further updates, the enourmous servers, the payrolls of the bioware employee's monitoring the game, the employee's dealing with customer service, the employee's working on bug fixing, the employee's working on updates, art,, missions, story, and the voice actors for new content. Everything mentioned above is A LOT of money. I am probably missing a few as well. I work a full time job, I am enjoying this game, and I have no problem paying a subscription for it. Edited December 28, 2011 by Enthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KianTremayne Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 like i said it comes down to greed. Says the guy whining because he has to pay for an ongoing service... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selaik Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 funny how games like guildwars could still make profit and stay in business whilst keeping their game free. Lemme explain to you how greed works... They make you believe that the only way to keep the game going is for you to pay more... People like yourself fall for that scam, pay silly amounts of money and the game stays the same, expansion packs come out 6 months down the line, and hey presto you've paid even more money for a game that still hasn't changed... Lmao hmmm this is america , we still have a capitalist system , companies can use what ever "model" they want for there product . The other great thing is we can chose not to buy there product , your obviously not from america and maybe have a different view , but not sure if you noticed socialism dose not work , maybe pay attention to your local news , oh and go play gw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avacir Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Fact is other big MMO's have done it free and made substantial profit, the fact that you like most of the people who have posted on this thread all believe that the cost of hosting is so expensive that we must pay them loads of cash to play shows how easily tehy can suck cash from you =] Do us a favor and post some actual numbers on F2P MMO profits. Claims without actual facts to back them up are not very persuasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPddark Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 They are NOT free, you pay for microtransactions in the game, if you don't your character will be pitiful. You are woefully ignorant. please answer me this.... HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED GUILDWARS? wow how hard is it to understand the concept that you can actually pay for a game and play it online WITHOUT paying anything more? You can quite easily become the best at a game like that without paying any more in fees or so called 'microtransactions' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisamcnicholas Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Fact is other big MMO's have done it free and made substantial profit, the fact that you like most of the people who have posted on this thread all believe that the cost of hosting is so expensive that we must pay them loads of cash to play shows how easily tehy can suck cash from you =] This isn't some weird company from china with 50 employees, this is EA/BW they have to pay more people more money. Go play a F2P game and check out the quality then get back to me. And guild wars DOES have micro transactions...they sell character slots don't they? and a bunch of other stuff. Edited December 28, 2011 by Chrisamcnicholas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metsuro Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Ummm you try running a bunch of servers and paying service provides for hosting services each month in order for people to play. It's pretty standard for an MMO to charge a monthly fee because it is not free to keep those servers running. If you come from the FPS world then most servers you play on are also paid for by the server owners and cost money. Nothing comes free in this world, welcome to reality Guildwars and Guildwars 2, will not have a subscription, and both are AAA titles. Please try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmedus Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Usually I'm quite calm and patient but not when faced with what seems to be idiocy; I cannot believe this thread has gone on for 10 pages and you're still arguing. If I was one with the force I would've Force Crushed you ages ago by now. OBVIOUSLY you are not just paying for their operating and labour costs. OBVIOUSLY they are a business and wish to make a profit. The point that people have made (including myself) is that they charge a regular fee rather than one monumental amount at the beginning like £150 because it is much better and easier to control operating margins when you're comparing like-for-like. BW/EA have a regular expenditure, therefore, to set an appropriate operating margin they include a regular income - like-for-like. Said regular income will pay for regular expenditure and then some to allow for profits. That is why you pay a regular fee. End of discussion. It is not an unreasonable fee. If you're avid gamer then you'd likely be buying at least one game every month if playing purely offline. The average game costs £30-40. That is a monthly cost of £30-40. They are charging you £9 per month. Don't like it? **** off. Edited December 28, 2011 by Myrmedus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardicon Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 let me see what am i paying for. well for starters there is a content update with a new flashpoint and additions to existing operations. my monthly fee is gonna go to regular content updates whereas in guild wars you have to pay for every single update or expansion. guild wars wasnt a bad game and im looking forward to guild wars 2 but they are gonna put out buy 2 play content just the same as bioware is going to put out more content in this game. either way you are gonna be paying for more content, whether you do it at 15 bucks a month or 40 bucks every 4 to 6 months is up to you. you sound like either a paid arenanet employee or someone that has been living under a bridge or a rock for the last 13 years. subscription fee mmos have been around for a long time and will be around for alot longer as most of us would rather just pay that small fee and get all content when it is releaed rather than paying for content via microtransactions. also the reason guild wars was basically a single player game with a multi player lobby is because they didnt have a monthly fee so they had to keep bandwidth and server costs down, which meant no more than one person in a area at a time, star wars is true multiplayer game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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