jimmorrisson Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Hypercorrection. http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=9076358&postcount=23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I mean, they would obviously have an off button. Would they though? Like the "blahblah guild controls this area" pop-up that we still don't have an option to turn off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWONRYU Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) As long as there is an option to Turn the Bubbles off, i'm all for it. Would rather have a new Operation than Chat-bubbles though. Maybe they could add a new Op called Dimension of Bubbles, where every Boss attacked you (spammed the screen) with chatbubbles. Every time an add was hit, you'd see a bubble saying "AH!" "OW!" "OUCH!" etc Edited October 13, 2016 by KWONRYU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadtechSavant Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Thankfully no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCT Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Would they though? Like the "blahblah guild controls this area" pop-up that we still don't have an option to turn off? Also, will it still slow the game down, even if you have them turned off? I remember reading that we are limited to 25 quests because the game has to plot all the Quest points, and where they are in relation to the player, (even when they are on different planets) of anyone in your group (and groups can still be up to 24) even if you have them turned off. Would the game still have to "draw" all the chat bubbles even with them turned off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptRogue Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Not signed. Don't need more stuff on my screen. Of all the needed things & wanted things for cosmetic this one is one I'm against. You your chat window & just create different tabs for what you want/need. Whispering people has always worked quite well in this game. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctman Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) In SWG, at any of the major mission or trade hubs, the Chat Bubbles were useless. You had to use the Chat box to scroll through all the bubbles because it was just a sea of barker droids, credit sellers, advertising, etc... someone feet from you could be lost in this cloud lol That is completely contradictory. You would not use chat bubbles and scroll through chat. Those are two different things all together. I can't believe I'm having to defend a basic mechanic of a game that has existed since the dawn of 3D game interaction. It is a design standard, a usability issue, a QE/QA issue. A chat bubble is to help facilitate basic communication between two or more parties when they are in the same spatial area. Chat scrolling windows are crowded and are a cluttered forum of area communication. This is not a very hard concept folks. This is fundamental usability. I could care less if a hundred people replied back on this forum that they don't need it. Because the statistical sample size is based on the wrong population of users. The majority of users that probably found this to be a real issue are probably not even playing the game any longer and left because it was a factor in continuing game play. Like I said before, this is the exact reason why I left 4 years ago. It feels robotic, dead space, missing an entire 3 dimensional element of fundamental communication. You don't have to agree with me or even like it. But facts are facts. It is a fundamental usability expectation and standard that today's MMO players absolutely expect from any game. Edited October 14, 2016 by cctman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) That is completely contradictory. You would not use chat bubbles and scroll through chat. Those are two different things all together. I can't believe I'm having to defend a basic mechanic of a game that has existed since the dawn of 3D game interaction. It is a design standard, a usability issue, a QE/QA issue. A chat bubble is to help facilitate basic communication between two or more parties when they are in the same spatial area. Chat scrolling windows are crowded and are a cluttered forum of area communication. This is not a very hard concept folks. This is fundamental usability. I could care less if a hundred people replied back on this forum that they don't need it. Because the statistical sample size is based on the wrong population of users. The majority of users that probably found this to be a real issue are probably not even playing the game any longer and left because it was a factor in continuing game play. Like I said before, this is the exact reason why I left 4 years ago. It feels robotic, dead space, missing an entire 3 dimensional element of fundamental communication. You don't have to agree with me or even like it. But facts are facts. It is a fundamental usability expectation and standard that today's MMO players absolutely expect from any game. Prove your facts are facts. Until then, I don't care if you say they are a fundamental usability expectation. Because so far you're getting minimal support, so why the hell should I believe that is needed? Especially since I happen to be of the camp that could not care less if they are implemented. Why do I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall about personal preferences? Are you going to argue about your opinion on the matter of give me a scientific reason as to why this is not a usability standard in 3D MMO games? By the way chat bubbles ARE a usability issue. They negate clear and concise communication. Prove they are. Nobody else is making that claim. LOL, but you're right... they do negate clear and concise communication. Edited October 14, 2016 by azudelphi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctman Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 Which heavily dense planet would this be then? Have I missed it? If you ran up to me and stared at me, chances are I'm afk if standing still (or in a cutscene conversation). Why would I care what you you wanted to say to me? I can read that in the chat window quite easily, should I so choose to turn that option on in a custom chat window with guild chat only. Otherwise the window will be closed, I certainly wouldn't want to start seeing chat bubbles everywhere I went, I'll have the chat window closed for a reason. Look, it's not as though this game has dynamic events or world bosses, everything is mission log based or you queue up for PvP / GSF / Operations / Flashpoints. Either that or you sit on fleet going "LF3M Lvl 65 Tat H2", which doesn't take long to get a few whispers and off you pop. Why would I want to see chat bubbles? I'd only turn them off in options, which defeats the purpose of what you are trying to say here, surely? Fine if people want them for RP. I'd rather see other areas of the game that have already been developed, updated and refreshed first. Sure, if BioWare have the downtime and developer hours, work on things like this feature. Not something I'd want to see currently. Why do I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall about personal preferences? Are you going to argue about your opinion on the matter of give me a scientific reason as to why this is not a usability standard in 3D MMO games? By the way chat bubbles ARE a usability issue. They negate clear and concise communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekwalizer Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 HAI! I actively made a decision to stop financially supporting this game four years ago, but I decided to bless you all with my return. Henceforth, I demand the Devs bend to my will. Signed, The OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cieraa Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) It's almost like today's McDonald culture is running amuck, and that as an employer its a miracle if they even show up to work every day. Does BioWare even employ devs? Or are they outsourcing there bugs in a 2 year backlog queue to ODesk to a 3rd world country? How about you stop your sense of entitlement culture? HAI! I actively made a decision to stop financially supporting this game four years ago, but I decided to bless you all with my return. Henceforth, I demand the Devs bend to my will. Signed, The OP This too. Edited October 14, 2016 by cieraa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabethchase Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 We barely get playable content as it is. I can't see how you'd justify even 1 developer working on a feature that so many paying customers would instantly turn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
americanaussie Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 What is a chat bubble? And why do I need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWONRYU Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Replace Bees with ChatBubbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emencie Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Prove your facts are facts. Until then, I don't care if you say they are a fundamental usability expectation. Doesn't every 3D MMO have them? I cannot think of one that doesn't. They really help to show when someone around you is speaking. That is their only use,but it's useful, and a staple of the genre. Seemed strange to not have them when the game released, still strange to not have them now. Speaking to another person in a public channel on fleet is annoying because of the lack of speech bubbles, which is a problem other MMOs simply do not have. To me it seems as strange as not having mail boxes or emotes, an MMO is completely playable without them but their loss would be felt and somewhat baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Speaking to another person in a public channel on fleet is annoying because of the lack of speech bubbles, which is a problem other MMOs simply do not have. To me it seems as strange as not having mail boxes or emotes, an MMO is completely playable without them but their loss would be felt and somewhat baffling. Use whispers or custom chat channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emencie Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Use whispers or custom chat channels. Clearly. That is why I said speaking in a public channel is annoying. It's not some end of the world issue, Like I said. But I would argue that chat bubble have more use than dance emotes, and you can bet your butt that if the devs didn't include that, people would be asking for them as well. Chat bubbles have been a normal part of MMOs for the better part of 15 years, it's not a strange request is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Doesn't every 3D MMO have them? I cannot think of one that doesn't. FFXIV doesn't have them. I don't think they're in STO, but it's been a while since I've logged in -- so I'm not 100% sure about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emencie Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 FFXIV doesn't have them. I don't think they're in STO, but it's been a while since I've logged in -- so I'm not 100% sure about this. You are absolutely right! I remember though the devs came out on FF14 and said they cannot do them because of PS3 limitations, so it's a legit reason they cannot be done. I haven't played STO is so long I cannot remember if that is true myself. I do remember that ESO released with no chat bubbles and it was heavily requested then became one the the first released mods. My only point was that acting like chat bubbles are not normal in 3D MMOs is silly. It's a pretty reasonable request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptRogue Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I don't think they're in STO, but it's been a while since I've logged in -- so I'm not 100% sure about this. Nope not in STO. Hubby plays it so far never seen it anywhere when watching him play that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptRogue Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 devs came out on FF14 and said they cannot do them because of PS3 limitations, so it's a legit reason they cannot be done. The Devs came here & said the same thing. What with how this engine is, it'd probably crash the game. Much less peoples frame rates, ping, & whatever else gets screwed up with it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) My only point was that acting like chat bubbles are not normal in 3D MMOs is silly. It's a pretty reasonable request. Well, it all depends upon your point of view. 75% of the MMOs I've played don't have them. (Wildstar being the only one that did). And 100% of the MMOs I've actually enjoyed don't have them. Edited October 14, 2016 by Khevar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emencie Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 The Devs came here & said the same thing. What with how this engine is, it'd probably crash the game. Much less peoples frame rates, ping, & whatever else gets screwed up with it. lol Seriously? How is that even possible? A PC engine that cannot handle chat bubbles is baffling to me. I stand by that asking for chat bubbles is a reasonable request. But if they would truly do all that then it is reasonable to not implement them, though that speaks volumes about this engine, I suppose you get what you pay for though free game = cheap engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllisonLightning Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Seriously? How is that even possible? A PC engine that cannot handle chat bubbles is baffling to me. I stand by that asking for chat bubbles is a reasonable request. But if they would truly do all that then it is reasonable to not implement them, though that speaks volumes about this engine, I suppose you get what you pay for though free game = cheap engine. Uh, the engine was built with a massive budget and originally as a buy-and-sub only game. Any shortcomings have to do with the game engine they chose and not a F2P change that happened after the game was built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithopoda Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 What other MMOs have done in the past is irrelevant here. The fact is that this game is first and foremost a Star Wars RPG, that just happens to be set in an online open world format. It was intended to be the successor to the Knights of the Old Republic games, not Habbo Hotel in space. For most story oriented players (which for better or worse is probably the biggest chunk of the current player base) a feature like chat bubbles would be very immersion breaking to the personal Star Wars experience that is SWTOR's main selling point. The dev's intention is for players to be running missions and experiencing the story, and for that purpose the chat and whisper functions in the game work perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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