Very frustrated dps sin

[xXxKarinxXx]

Hey everyone I'm searching for tips/tricks to squeeze out numbers for both dps specs (hatred/deception). I mainly use hatred in HM raids as the numbers are more consistent and i feel more comfortable with it. I've logged parses with both specs Hatred being the first one via link. Gear is currently sitting at 220 with one or two pieces 224.

 

http://parsely.io/parser/search/Icedi

 

any help would be greatly appreciate.

[LudhaninRolgge]

You're not stealthing out when you're playing Deception. That's your main problem.

[xXxKarinxXx]

stealthing out while parsing on a target dummy resets it?

[FlavivsAetivs]

No it doesn't. You need to stealth out to reduce the cooldown on force potency and reset blackout. This allows you to proc force breach more often and increases your DPS.

 

Also make sure you have the proper utilities selected. They're on the Dulfy guide.

 

~ Eudoxia

[Rion_Starkiller]

Hatred:

 

On a dummy, Hatred won't get or show the >30% enemy-health dps buff on dots, and extra uses of Assassinate. Nor will a dummy show how you melt adds in operations.

 

Also, play around with hard-casting Demolish as an opener.

 

 

Aelanis is spot on here: http://dulfy.net/2016/01/10/swtor-4-0-hatred-assassin-pve-guide-by-aelanis-2/

Edited June 21, 2016 by Rion_Starkiller

[LosevV]

Hatred:

 

On a dummy, Hatred won't get or show the >30% enemy-health dps buff on dots, and extra uses of Assassinate. Nor will a dummy show how you melt adds in operations.

 

Also, play around with hard-casting Demolish as an opener.

 

 

Aelanis is spot on here: http://dulfy.net/2016/01/10/swtor-4-0-hatred-assassin-pve-guide-by-aelanis-2/

 

You have dummy HP module that (after being applied to dummy) can show you past 30% HP dos increase.

[xXxKarinxXx]

Hatred:

 

On a dummy, Hatred won't get or show the >30% enemy-health dps buff on dots, and extra uses of Assassinate. Nor will a dummy show how you melt adds in operations.

 

Also, play around with hard-casting Demolish as an opener.

 

 

Aelanis is spot on here: http://dulfy.net/2016/01/10/swtor-4-0-hatred-assassin-pve-guide-by-aelanis-2/

 

 

09:24:24.997 (pre-cast) Shattered Armor

09:24:36.428 (pre-cast) 1,500,000 Health

09:24:44.361 (pre-cast) Lightning Charge

09:25:18.798 (pre-cast) Demolish

 

i feel pre-casting"hard casting" demolish is just for parsing on a dummy. I find doing such on a boss fight.. usually gives me lower numbers than doing my rotation from the start.

[LudhaninRolgge]

09:24:24.997 (pre-cast) Shattered Armor

09:24:36.428 (pre-cast) 1,500,000 Health

09:24:44.361 (pre-cast) Lightning Charge

09:25:18.798 (pre-cast) Demolish

 

i feel pre-casting"hard casting" demolish is just for parsing on a dummy. I find doing such on a boss fight.. usually gives me lower numbers than doing my rotation from the start.

 

If your tanks do a countdown before pulling the boss, you can pre-cast Demolish easily.

[xXxKarinxXx]

true true. I probably should have clarified about tips/tricks that i don't already do, or something outlandish that have gotten you guys good results whether it be parsing on the dummy or raid bosses.

 

maybe something like the best time to use the second adrenal?

[cxten]

true true. I probably should have clarified about tips/tricks that i don't already do, or something outlandish that have gotten you guys good results whether it be parsing on the dummy or raid bosses.

 

maybe something like the best time to use the second adrenal?

 

The timing of the second adrenal is not going to make much of a difference. Getting the rotation down and clean and getting your APM up is going to make more of a difference.

 

A nice thing to do is to compare your parse with one of the top parses. Look at APM, at the damage pie chart, and then look both in the "Ability Usage" tab and in the "Rotation" tab on Parsely. For example, compare yours to the top hatred parse:

 

1. APM. Yours is 43.41 compared to 44.65 for the top parse. Yours isn't that bad, but it is lower. Becoming really comfortable with the rotation to make sure you're not hesitating will help here. (And of course queue your actions, but you're probably doing that already.) It's also possible small APM discrepancies are due to a different alacrity choice or due to some irrelevant off-gcd ability being used or not, but most people have very similar alacrity these days.

 

2. Damage pie chart. The big thing I notice here is that Thrash is a higher % and Death Field is a lower % of your damage compared to the top parse. We'll see why in a moment . . .

 

3. Look at Ability Usage. Here we see why Death Field was so low a %. You're using it every 17.86 seconds on average, compared to every 14.15 seconds for the top parse. This is a rotation issue:

 

You need to use Death Field on cooldown, not aligned with your dots. Ignoring alacrity, Death Field has a (base) 15 second cooldown and your dots last for (base) 18 seconds. So in terms of your dots, you have a 18/1.5 = 12 GCD rotation, but your Death Field needs to be used every 10 GCD's, so it floats compared to your dots.

 

4. If you want more specifics, look through the Rotation tab and figure out what's different for you & the top parse. Or if you need really fine detail, look at the actual combat log.

Edited June 22, 2016 by cxten

[Zero_Unlimited]

If your tanks do a countdown before pulling the boss, you can pre-cast Demolish easily.

 

You can't pre-cast demolish on bosses with your sin. You have to be within 10m, well within aggro range (even with stealth). Assuming you popped blackout or the boss doesn't aggro you from being within 10m in stealth, the moment you start casting Demoish, you'll de-stealth causing the boss to aggro you during the countdown anyway.

[lord-angelus]

If you stay in within 8-10m behind the target, nope you won't. You can cast properly with the countdown Edited June 23, 2016 by lord-angelus

[Rion_Starkiller]

It is hard to time, and taking damage will create a huge amount of pushback

[LosevV]

Now i join this thread with my problem.

http://parsely.io/parser/view/186022

And except lag time (Like 0.1-0.2 sec) and lack of 224 implant (i still use 220), i can't see problem in my log... Please, maybe someone more attentively (i.e. smarter) then me will find problems.

P.S. I used this parse to compare http://parsely.io/parser/view/164280/0

P.S.S. Yes, i know that sometimes i use Assassinate with 3 stack for Discharge, and yes, most time of it i got last stack from melee hit. Yes i know that much.

[cxten]

Now i join this thread with my problem.

http://parsely.io/parser/view/186022

And except lag time (Like 0.1-0.2 sec) and lack of 224 implant (i still use 220), i can't see problem in my log... Please, maybe someone more attentively (i.e. smarter) then me will find problems.

P.S. I used this parse to compare http://parsely.io/parser/view/164280/0

P.S.S. Yes, i know that sometimes i use Assassinate with 3 stack for Discharge, and yes, most time of it i got last stack from melee hit. Yes i know that much.

 

Your parse seems quite good. At this level, there's a lot of luck in terms of crits or building stacks, and small mistakes can make the difference as well (you were 12 seconds = about 7 GCD's behind).

 

Without going through it line by line, what I notice is that the parse you're comparing with had very lucky Maul crits, gaining more than 200 dps over you simply from Maul crit percentage. Discounting that leaves you only about 100 dps behind, which is just a couple GCD's off.

 

Other than that, you used Voltaic Slashes slightly more often (without looking in detail, this might be luck with building stacks or it could be you overusing it) and got one fewer Assassinate in.

Edited June 23, 2016 by cxten

[Aelanis]

Now i join this thread with my problem.

http://parsely.io/parser/view/186022

And except lag time (Like 0.1-0.2 sec) and lack of 224 implant (i still use 220), i can't see problem in my log... Please, maybe someone more attentively (i.e. smarter) then me will find problems.

P.S. I used this parse to compare http://parsely.io/parser/view/164280/0

P.S.S. Yes, i know that sometimes i use Assassinate with 3 stack for Discharge, and yes, most time of it i got last stack from melee hit. Yes i know that much.

 

Work on that Blackout rotation. Your minimum time between Blackouts should be 12 seconds. More Blackouts means fewer saber strikes. Hard to say what else from a mobile device, but other posters have ahd it right: don't compare to top parses, their average crit percentages are way off as they're super lucky. Find good parses with at least 3 or 4 other fights in the log and average out the DPS, then average the same number of your own fights.

 

It's odd to be back, finally, and on mobile to boot.

[Aelanis]

Hey everyone I'm searching for tips/tricks to squeeze out numbers for both dps specs (hatred/deception). I mainly use hatred in HM raids as the numbers are more consistent and i feel more comfortable with it. I've logged parses with both specs Hatred being the first one via link. Gear is currently sitting at 220 with one or two pieces 224.

 

http://parsely.io/parser/search/Icedi

 

any help would be greatly appreciate.

 

Check my guide in my signature for a stronger opener. Aside from that, just work on timing those dots correctly, seems like they fell off a couple times based on my guess for your Alacrity and the average and minimum times between uses. Again: this is from mobile, so I'm not digging too deep.

[LosevV]

Work on that Blackout rotation. Your minimum time between Blackouts should be 12 seconds. More Blackouts means fewer saber strikes. Hard to say what else from a mobile device, but other posters have ahd it right: don't compare to top parses, their average crit percentages are way off as they're super lucky. Find good parses with at least 3 or 4 other fights in the log and average out the DPS, then average the same number of your own fights.

 

It's odd to be back, finally, and on mobile to boot.

 

Good to see you, Aelanis. Thanks for your advice. For me it's challenge, and it doesnt matter how lucky got my opponent, i need to do it better. Or something like this