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I'm going to make a bug report of this, but I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this as well. Sometimes when I use Thermal Sensor Override it's removed in the exact same moment that it's applied, and has absolutely no effect. This is in IO on my Merc.

 

Posting combat log snippets. These were each from different nights.

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Death From Above.

 

[22:14:04.254] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:04.451] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1722* elemental {836045448940875}) <1292>
[22:14:04.523] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2061* energy {836045448940874}) <1545>
[22:14:04.523] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (99 energy {836045448940874}) <74>
[22:14:04.874] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[22:14:04.875] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[22:14:04.875] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[22:14:04.876] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (6038) <2717>
[22:14:05.055] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1250 elemental {836045448940875}) <937>
[22:14:05.173] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4017 kinetic {836045448940873}) <3013>
[22:14:05.174] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[22:14:05.268] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (622 elemental {836045448940875}) <466>
[22:14:05.269] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[22:14:05.569] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:2270005520832] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[22:14:05.666] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[22:14:05.666] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (6461) <2907>
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharge {3401326335623168}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Supercharge {3401326335623168}] ()
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:05.989] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[22:14:05.990] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[22:14:05.991] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[22:14:05.991] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (622 elemental {836045448940875}) <467>
[22:14:06.089] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1251 elemental {836045448940875}) <938>
[22:14:06.479] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2282 energy {836045448940874}) <1712>
[22:14:06.479] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (430* energy {836045448940874}) <323>
[22:14:06.564] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:2270005520832] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[22:14:06.786] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [incendiary Missile {2027022700249088}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Assailable (Mental) {2027022700249408}] ()
[22:14:06.881] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Death from Above {814201245270016}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[22:14:07.085] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [bleeding {3394707791020290}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1105 internal {836045448940876}) <828>
[22:14:07.085] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2187* elemental {836045448940875}) <1640>
[22:14:07.510] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:2270005410179] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (986 elemental {836045448940875}) <739>
[22:14:07.512] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (5)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[21:49:04.047] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:04.246] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (986 elemental {836045448940875}) <739>
[21:49:04.278] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1076 energy {836045448940874}) <807>
[21:49:04.278] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (93 energy {836045448940874}) <70>
[21:49:04.458] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [ {3443094892576768}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Eliminator's Damage Bonus {3443094892577026}] ()
[21:49:04.535] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] ()
[21:49:04.636] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (8038* kinetic {836045448940873}) <6029>
[21:49:04.636] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[21:49:04.944] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:43552001541858] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (705 energy {836045448940874}) <705>
[21:49:05.140] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1001* elemental {836045448940875}) <750>
[21:49:05.140] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:05.762] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:49:05.763] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:43552001462201] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (573 elemental {836045448940875}) <429>
[21:49:05.983] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:43552001541858] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [ {3482209159741440}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Eliminator's Critical Bonus {3482209159741704}] ()
[21:49:05.984] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[23:44:23.668] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:23.774] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [burning (Incendiary Missile) {2027022700249344}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (969 elemental {836045448940875}) <726>
[23:44:24.388] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1906* energy {836045448940874}) <1429>
[23:44:24.388] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (88 energy {836045448940874}) <66>
[23:44:24.468] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (2149* elemental {836045448940875}) <1611>
[23:44:24.468] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [@Ruki] [Floor Vents {3406488886312960}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (6856 elemental {836045448940875}) <6856>
[23:44:24.661] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (3913 kinetic {836045448940873}) <2935>
[23:44:24.661] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[23:44:24.976] [Tamper Deterrent Device {3507407732867072}:41668004590199] [@Ruki] [stop That! {3513227413553152}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (695 energy {836045448940874}) <695>
[23:44:25.292] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[23:44:25.292] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharge {3401326335623168}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Supercharge {3401326335623168}] ()
[23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:25.293] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[23:44:25.294] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[23:44:25.468] [@Ruki] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [supercharged Burn {3401291975885091}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (1230 elemental {836045448940875}) <922>
[23:44:25.469] [Torque {3468710077530112}:41668004544562] [@Ruki] [Floor Vents {3406488886312960}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (6856 elemental {836045448940875}) <6856>
[23:44:25.899] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[23:44:25.899] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

 

I activate Power Shot, queue up Thermal Sensor Override, and follow up with Unload.

 

[21:29:49.850] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Power Shot {814274259714048}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:50.356] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (994 energy {836045448940874}) <994>
[21:29:50.356] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [serrated Shot {3394707791020032}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (0 -miss {836045448945502}) <1>
[21:29:50.457] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Revivification {808703687131136}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (572)
[21:29:50.458] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Supercharged Gas {3401291975884800}] ()
[21:29:50.549] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (7597* kinetic {836045448940873}) <7597>
[21:29:50.549] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Detonator {3387565260406784}] ()
[21:29:51.175] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [burning {2020687623487746}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (581 elemental {836045448940875}) <581>
[21:29:51.176] [@Ruki] [Quartermaster Bulo {3468705782562816}:28853000213456] [Combustible Gas Cylinder {2020687623487488}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Burning {2020687623487746}] ()
[21:29:51.393] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Revivification {808703687131136}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (572)
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (15)
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Innovative Particle Accelerator {3408219758133248}] ()
[color=red][b][21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:51.464] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()
[21:29:51.465] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Thermal Sensor Override {1953561579618304}] ()[/b][/color]
[21:29:51.549] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] ()
[21:29:51.550] [@Duqu] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [RemoveEffect {836045448945478}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[21:29:51.550] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Twisted Force {3210247535591424}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Resistant {3210247535591686}] ()
[21:29:51.551] [@Ikaras] [@Ruki] [Roaming Mend {3401283385950208}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Heal {836045448945500}] (10831*)
[21:29:51.791] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [unload {814312914419712}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[21:29:51.791] [@Ruki] [@Ruki] [] [spend {836045448945473}: energy {836045448938503}] (6)

 

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It is a flaw with how abilities are queued and activated.

 

When you activate Power Shot you don't get charged for it at the start only at the end when you finish the cast.

 

TSO is effective immediately.

 

When you are hammering TSO and queuing it up to be ready after Power Shot, TSO is sometimes consumed by the end-of-cast-cost of Power Shot.

 

Something similar can happen on Sorcs when using their buffs.

 

I get around this by using Power Surge on Power Shot (to make the cast and therefore the cost instant) before using TSO on Unload because I can't be bothered losing a TSO mid-fight or even in my opener on the wrong ability.

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It is a flaw with how abilities are queued and activated.

 

When you activate Power Shot you don't get charged for it at the start only at the end when you finish the cast.

 

TSO is effective immediately.

 

When you are hammering TSO and queuing it up to be ready after Power Shot, TSO is sometimes consumed by the end-of-cast-cost of Power Shot.

 

Something similar can happen on Sorcs when using their buffs.

 

I get around this by using Power Surge on Power Shot (to make the cast and therefore the cost instant) before using TSO on Unload because I can't be bothered losing a TSO mid-fight or even in my opener on the wrong ability.

 

That would be a plausible explanation, but in the log you can see that the power shot is still consuming heat. So it's not actually being used on either the Power Shot or the Unload. It's just disappearing.

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Hmm initially I was going to ask if it was possible that the combustible gas cylinder was consuming it, but the other logs don't support that. Do you have a log where TSO works? I would but my mando is lvl 17.

 

I just did a parse where I did my normal rotation, and I was able to reproduce it every single time. If I queued up TSO after Power Shot it would always bug. If I hit it when Power Shot ended it didn't. It also didn't bug if I didn't do a rotation or anything and all I did was activate a Power Shot on the dummy and queue up TSO, then hit Unload.

 

I put the whole log into a paste bin. It's all against the dummy. http://pastebin.com/vmaxNdJ7

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