TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Check up Rule of One(not Krayt's), Book of Sith and Bane's trilogy for further details on the RoT. Hell... the Plagueis book shows that even he abandoned it. Those aren't canon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Dearth Maul was not Sidious' apprentice when Vader was. not according to the cartoons it seems that their both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 not according to the cartoons it seems that their both. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Maul ceased to be Palpatine's apprentice after the Battle of Naboo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm not sure what you're referring to. Maul ceased to be Palpatine's apprentice after the Battle of Naboo. He became again when Palpatine learned he survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) He became again when Palpatine learned he survived. He didn't make him his apprentice though, in fact he told him that he and his brother weren't Sith. And at that time Dooku was his apprentice, not Vader. Edited August 5, 2015 by TranYukon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 He didn't make him his apprentice though, in fact he told him that he and his brother weren't Sith. And at that time Dooku was his apprentice, not Vader. Why do you think he left him alive and killed his brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUTMANIAC Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Well I guess the reason there's always a third sith is to make sure there are always at least two sith if the Master (or even apprentice)dies.Its not like the apprentice can get find another sith out of the blue. Edited August 5, 2015 by NUTMANIAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Why do you think he left him alive and killed his brother? There is actually a canon comic on what happened after the events of that episode. Sidious has him interrogated and tortured for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 There is actually a canon comic on what happened after the events of that episode. Sidious has him interrogated and tortured for information. did he killed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 did he killed him? No, but I won't spoil what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 No, but I won't spoil what happens. Will he appear in the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranYukon Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Will he appear in the movie? Maul hasn't been announced to be in any upcoming projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinghen Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Sidious tells Yoda in ep. III that Darth Vader will become more powerful than either one of them. Meaning that at the time he expected Vader to surpass and kill him, and he was delighting in that. He even tempts Luke to kill him, believing whatever Luke decides, Sidious wins. It's also my understanding that he planned on being the final Sith Lord and never dying anyway. Besides the Rule of Two is quite simple. "Always two. No more, no less. A master and an apprentice." That's it, and the emperor observed it. You forgot when Yoda fought Sid, Vader hadn't been chopped up by Obi-wan yet. The "will become" is a conditional clause: he wasn't yet more powerful than either, and certainly not more powerful than Obi-wan then. The cyborg Vader was certainly much less powerful than he would've been in one piece, and would've probably managed a succession of Palpatine much earlier than when he did (that is, when he tried to lure Luke to the Dark Side on Bespin). Whether the Canon Sidious (not the Legends one) really believed he should be the last Sith, the one Sith, the true Sith, and all others should be just his tools to witness and tap to a fraction of his power will never be determined. Sidious' adherence to the Rule of Two would not preclude him from having a potentially more powerful Force-user replace a former apprentice, he already did it twice before (Tyranus on Maul's place, and Vader on Tyranus'). If Luke would fall to the Dark Side on Endor, Palpy wouldn't die there, and the Sith would live on. Given time, Luke would become powerful enough to give Sid the boot and take his place, as the RoT mandated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 he wasn't yet more powerful than either, and certainly not more powerful than Obi-wan then. Anakin was certainly more powerful and better than Obi-Wan. It was the whole darkside thing that caused him problems as he wasn't focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinghen Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Anakin was certainly more powerful and better than Obi-Wan. It was the whole darkside thing that caused him problems as he wasn't focused. Anakin wasn't "certainly more powerful and better" than Obi-wan. Not only was he careless and arrogant, but he fought toe-to-toe with Obi-wan for a very long time. He was, at best, evenly matched. If you wanna see a "more powerful and better" individual in a lightsaber duel, check back Sid's fight against four Jedi masters: he killed three in a whiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) del. /5char Edited August 7, 2015 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Anakin wasn't "certainly more powerful and better" than Obi-wan. Theoretically he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinghen Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Theoretically he was. Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched. Well i think he was cus of the if x beats y and y beats a, then x is better than a, thing. This means that at that moment he had the resourses to win, but didn't first cus of plot armor, second cus of what wolfninjajedi said. Edited August 7, 2015 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched. They were evenly matched because of that yes, and the fact Anakin wasn't in his right state of mind. Edited August 7, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched. Anakin didn't know how to control and direct his hate like a Sith would. As soon as he fully gave in to the dark side he ended up fighting Obi Wan Kenobi. Also Anakin has issues bringing to bore his full hatred when he's fighting someone he feels conflicted about. That was the whole point of return of the Jedi. Luke dug deep and sensed the good in Vader. Obi Wan automatically considered him a lost cause and failed to notice that there was still some good in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNGDangerous Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched. They were NOT evenly matched... Anakin thought he was better at the time, but after retrospect, Vader acknowledged Obi-wan was stronger. "When I left you, I was but a learner; now I am the master." -Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogMeat Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Was not Anakin the chosen one? Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 They were NOT evenly matched... Anakin thought he was better at the time, but after retrospect, Vader acknowledged Obi-wan was stronger. "When I left you, I was but a learner; now I am the master." -Darth Vader Evenly matched would not result in Anakin losing his legs and and suffer life crippling burns. But how is this connected to the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valantines Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Evenly matched would not result in Anakin losing his legs and and suffer life crippling burns. But how is this connected to the topic? You're serious aren't you? How did Obi Wan fair against Dooku? How did Anakin fair against Dooku? Seccond Anakin wasn't still a sith when the fight happened. Third what do you think was in Anakins thoughs for atleast 50% of the time? Yeah thats right he was thinking of Padme even though not showing it. Fourth he still wanted Obi Wan to be his ally. Yes that might apply to Obi Wan aswell. Face it by the time of RotS Anakin had surpassed Obi Wan as a duelist. Even Obi Wan says it. About the "Rule of Two" pretty sure Bane states "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it." whole idea behind it is the apprentice to surpass the master and kill him then train apprentice of his own and on and on thus improoving the sith to infinity. Planing on living forever by Sidious aint following the idea of the RoT. Edited August 15, 2015 by Valantines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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