Not even theoretically. He had the potential to be, but if he really were, Obi-wan would be dead. He knew Anakin and his fighting style as well as Anakin knew his. They were evenly matched.

Anakin wasn't "certainly more powerful and better" than Obi-wan. Not only was he careless and arrogant, but he fought toe-to-toe with Obi-wan for a very long time. He was, at best, evenly matched. If you wanna see a "more powerful and better" individual in a lightsaber duel, check back Sid's fight against four Jedi masters: he killed three in a whiff.

You forgot when Yoda fought Sid, Vader hadn't been chopped up by Obi-wan yet. The "will become" is a conditional clause: he wasn't yet more powerful than either, and certainly not more powerful than Obi-wan then. The cyborg Vader was certainly much less powerful than he would've been in one piece, and would've probably managed a succession of Palpatine much earlier than when he did (that is, when he tried to lure Luke to the Dark Side on Bespin). Whether the Canon Sidious (not the Legends one) really believed he should be the last Sith, the one Sith, the true Sith, and all others should be just his tools to witness and tap to a fraction of his power will never be determined. Sidious' adherence to the Rule of Two would not preclude him from having a potentially more powerful Force-user replace a former apprentice, he already did it twice before (Tyranus on Maul's place, and Vader on Tyranus'). If Luke would fall to the Dark Side on Endor, Palpy wouldn't die there, and the Sith would live on. Given time, Luke would become powerful enough to give Sid the boot and take his place, as the RoT mandated.

Padmé might be 14, but I think it's just an excuse to make it that much less awkward for lil' Ani to fall in love with her xD The maturity she displays in the Naboo crisis is completely surreal, and doesn't match a raw human child of 14. Imagine the damage such psychological pressure could do to the hormone-flooded brain of an adolescent.

You understood what I meant. We agree their racism is rather stupid (both the old version and the new, btw) and not valid, especially in the time of TOR. Except for the reason I stated before: the racism kept the Empire under control for 1400 years in isolation, tightly under Vitiate's boot. No contest. My point is: the Sith would feel superior because 99% of its individuals would be Force-sensitive, whereas only a 10% of humans would be. The point is Force sensitivity. They are at a point in history where the Dark Jedi are very distant, whereas they long for the days just before the Great Hyperspace War, when the Empire was strong and there was a bunch of red-skinned apes slumbering about their worlds, rather than an entire host of humans blind to the Force. Wrong? Under which perspective is it wrong? As I stated above, it's a very comfortable situation for those few who detain the prized phenotype. And would help keep everyone else from rebelling if they actually believed they were inferior. There are some conversation options in that sense with Darth Nox: as an alien, you can talk to Ashara about how aliens in the Sith Empire must work twice as hard to accomplish what a pureblood or Sith-blooded human could. My point is this: the Sith being self-destructive is a trait every Sith inherited from the Sith species. In the absence of an Adas, an Exar Kun, a Darth Revan, a Darth Sidious, they invariably ate each other alive. It's a trait of the Sith philosophy, not the Sith species. It also happens to be why the Sith always failed just before bringing the Republic to its knees, until the Rule of Two came along and taught them to work for a common purpose. And even then their hubris caused them to eat each other alive. There's simply not enough lore writted down for the pre-Dark Jedi Sith. I think you presume too much. From the Book of Sith (Sorzus Syn's account of the finding of Sith space): Upon arriving: "We touched down on Korriban - the world that screams the loudest for those who can hear the dark side's voice" This is a merit of the Sith, not the Rakata. The Sith used Korriban as the hallowed burial ground of "a thousand kings", who ruled as powerful Darksiders. On the Sith purebloods: "The Sith respect power, and they are content to serve us. In fact, the Sith purebloods are marvels. They are a people driven by hunger, rage, and the dark side. (...) After much experimentation, I have concluded that their blood is sufficiently similar to our own to permit allchemical crossbreeding. I know Dreypa, for one, has his eye on a Sith pirestess. He will be pleased his bloodline will not only persist but thrive!" Hah! The Dark Jedi stated their superiority over the Sith purebloods many times. But they still respected Sith society (its self-destructive nature included - which is why later Sith preserved that until Darth Bane changed stuffs), and were willing to mix in with them. "The Sith Purebloods are strong in the Force, but they do not outmatch us. (...) They have discovered many secrets, some unknown to any other beings in the galaxy." Need I say it? Praise and recognition: the reason why the Dark Jedi were glad they landed where they did, where the dark side screams the loudest. "Sith purebloods are natural adepts at the dark side. This I must emphasize, for it is this trait that will make us far stronger in exile than we ever were when we held our former ranks. (...) The Sith have had a thousand generations to perfect the dark arts." Syn goes on to praise Sith holocrons, and then their conquests. "As revealed by the Holocron, the successors of King Adas used their power to conquer worlds beyond Korriban and Ziost." So they made the Empire span more than a couple planets after Adas died. Achievement unlocked, no? And finally, on alchemy: "The holocron (of King Nakgru - not Adas) revealed much about the creation of warbeasts, (...) What a delight to have landed amidst fellow twisters of life!" Syn prized Sith alchemy (she was the band's top alchemist), and yet she took great pleasure in replicating the work of the Sith. "I was the greatest of the master summoners who fought in the Hundred-Year Darkness. My inspirations came to me in rumours and dreams, and only now, in the minaret of Ziost, do I realise it was the call of the Sith all along. Sith alchemists have had ages to perfect their art, and their knowledge is now mine." I go on, only for a bit more xD "Alchemy is my science, yet I have found the Sith pureblooods possess a new understanding of how to manipulate the Dark Side." She speaks of Sith sorcery and incantations. So, to Sorzus Syn, a Dark Jedi exile from the conquerors of the "frail" Sith Empire, the purebloods were not inferior. They were deemed by her the true masters of the Dark Side, and the means by which they (the Jen'jidai) would achieve true greatness. So, while they conquered the Sith Empire, they embraced it fully. Probably that was also why they bred into the Sith species as well? I would venture a guess at least that's why Sorzus Syn would do something like that. At any rate, the Sith purebloods allowed the survival of the legacy of a dozen Dark Jedi exiles. A legacy that would survive for millenia after their own deaths. You did say there were no purebloods by the time of Sadow and Kressh up there, somewhere. Was just correcting that, not about the time of TOR. About TOR, there may yet be one pureblood still "alive": the Emperor. Assuming it was stated somewhere that he was a human-Sith hybrid, I'm not sure if that's the case. As The Book of Sith shows, at least Sorzus Syn didn't feel her arts were superior to those of the Sith purebloods. They didn't win because they were inherently superior. They won because the Sith were superstitious. Otherwise it wouldn't take long for them to realise the Jen'jidai were twelve, and rather mortal instead of divine (albeit very powerful mortals, they still were twelve pinkskins in a sea of red). I stand corrected. Still, the barbaric Sith didn't lose the knowledge, however self-destructive they were. And as Syn stated, they progressed in their dark arts, as much as their own circumstances would allow. Incorrect where the Force is concerned. No basis for that argument. The Vong had an advantage because their technology was effing strange, and the Force was no advantage against them because, well, Vong. But the only advantage the Exiles had over the Sith was the latter's superstition. They were more powerful, perhaps, than any individual Sith. But they were twelve chaps in the middle of a destructive species spanning dozens of planets. The only things the Sith had going against them was: their primitive nature, which means they had little tech (but hell, they had Alchemy!), and their superstition. At the time of Sadow, there were some billions or trillions of Sith, 1% of which (probably less) wouldn't be Force-sensitive. After the GHW, there was sort of a Republic-led pogrom against the Sith species. And Vitiate helped along, by omnoming the few hundred Sith Lords what remained on Nathema. He led a small fraction of that into exile. Plus, his 20-year exodus to Dromund Kaas turned the Sith Empire remnants into quite a different society: suddenly there weren't a dozen Sith Lords contesting for power amongst themselves, there was just The Emperor and his chosen people, in a long holy journey towards the lost Holy Land. And when they arrived there, they must rebuild what they've lost. That's a huge change in paradigm, and it's not hard to understand why the Sith survivors (and their descendants) would feel far superior to other "citizens"in the Empire. Such as the human population that began to grow. After the JK story, no doubt his thought process is inscrutable to us mortals. Which brings us back to the topic xD

Hmm, strange. It's almost like you felt it would be OK for the Sith to brag about heritage if they were "superior". I just can't resist provoking people. Sith feelings of superiority certainly have everything to do with the Force. The vast majority of Sith purebloods were Force-sensitive. Look at the Empire as it is in the game: the vast majority of Sith-descending humans are not Force-sensitive. Makes'em feel superior, don't you think? Also, it's fairly true racist *****s usually cling to telling features of their racial superiority. Kinda like Hitler's "aryan role-model", a physical description even Hitler himself didn't fit into of the "perfect human being". When you translate that into a world that has aliens in it. it becomes even easier: just give the specific alien traits that "sets the superior beings apart." Kinda like this: if you're red, you rock, if you're not, sucks to be you. Savvy? "Nothing to brag about outside of Adas..." the Sith only drove the raks out after Adas died. Adas was bad-***? No doubt. What happened after Adas died? The Sith fought each other off for leadership. That hardly means they couldn't "accomplish anything at all", it just means they were a self-destructive bunch. Lemme give you some examples that has much more to do with Sith philosophy than it does to the "inferiority" of the Sith species. Freedon Nadd, after learning what he could from Naga Sadow,. killed the Dark Lord and founded a "kingdom" of his own. Which, like, spanned only one planet. After his death Onderon began its long decadence. Freedon Nadd was human, this means humans are completely incapable of greatness? No. After Exar Kun was defeated, his Sith Brotherhood devoured itself. Hell, they started eating each other alive while Kun was still alive. Kun was also human, as were the Sithilies who wanted to rise to power in his days, like Aleema Keto. After Malak betrayed Revan, and was later killed by Revan, the Sith once again ate each other alive. They were for the most part human. Darth Baras tried to eat his comrades alive, by staging a coup against the Emperor. He was killed in the end, but his little power play cost the Sith quite a bit. Baras was Sith-blooded, but was predominantly human. Wasn't he supposed to be "superior" to the red sith? Darth Thanaton (a Sith-blooded human) wasted the entirety of his rule in the Dark Council fighting off another Sith Lord, with whom he picked a fight for not a particularly good reason. Again, this little struggle cost the Sith a bit. Thanaton must've been that sort of "inferior" humans too. Darth Sidious, a non-Sith blooded human, tried to subvert the order of things by replacing his current apprentice (Vader) with a younger one (Luke), and that cost him and the Sith their rule of the Galaxy. He must really be of an inferior race, must he not? The bottomline is this: the pureblooded Sith "didn't work as a species" because they ate each other alive, but that particularly self-destructive trait was adopted as part of Sith phi losophy (once the species ceased to be), not a telling feature of an "inferior species". You answered my question. Lemme requote: "Resulting on only a few pure-blooded Sith left in the Sith Empire by the time of the Great Hyperspace War." That means they weren't yet extinct at that time. "A few" =/= "None". The answer goes on: "Long after, the true speciesin the Emprie were believed to have gone extinct due to the interbreeding process." Which says, that long after the Great Hyperspace War, in the Sith Empire, the "true Sith" species was already extinct. Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh lived in the Great Hyperspace War, 1400 years before the events on TOR (which is the "long after" period referred to in the text). By the time of TOR, there were, however, two different species: Sith-blooded humans, and Sith-human hybrids. You can't deny those are two different species. It's like saying wolves (fully carnivorous, large) are of the same species as dogs (omnivorous and medium-sized). Some dogs are closer to wolves (like a Husky), just like some Sith-human hybrids are more like humans (like those without eyebrow stalks or protrusions on the chin). Still two species though. But we're talking about the time of TOR. Sith like Ludo Kressh can no longer be found, Sith like Naga Sadow are considered purebloods. In 1400 years of isolation, the Empire turned its standards upside down, fancy that. "Dark Jedi" is a blanket term. After the Hundred Year Darkness, no Dark Jedi could achieve what the Dark Jedi exiles could (those that became the Jen'jidai in the Sith Empire). And after the Jen'jidai became masters of the Sith Empire, the Sith as a whole became the true masters of the Dark Side of the Force, mixing the Sith practices with those developed by the Jen'jidai during their period as Dark Jedi insurgents during the Second Great Schism. So clearly the Jen'jidai were exceptions amongst Dark Jedi: the true threat to the Galaxy and the Jedi Order were not "ordinary" Dark Jedi, but instead the Dark Lords of the Sith: masters of greater powers inherited from the Sith Empire. I'm talking about the merit of the true masters of the Dark Side. The Jen'jidai mastered the Sith because the Sith weren't unified. Would twelve Darksiders topple Adas' empire? I think not. But once they proved stronger than the strongest Sith of the time, people became scared. Because they were initially prone to believe the Dark Jedi were gods. Superstition, not superiority of any sort, was the factor that allowed Pall and his pals to take over the Sith and their "empire". Because, in a scenario where superstition was absent, don't doubt a dozen Dark Jedi would be eaten alive by the population of a single Sith planet (Korriban). Back to the matter of merit, the Sith themselves had created, or adapted, many things for their own after King Adas and the defeat of the Rakata. Things like holocrons and alchemy (they knew alchemy before knowing the Jen'jidai, and the Jen'jidai also knew alchemy before they knew the Sith Empire) and sorcery. And there's one very big difference. What the Sith took from the Rakata, they had to learn for themselves. The Jen'jidai could learn Sith Force techniques directly from the Sith, to increase their own knowledge and mastery. Sorzus Syn did it, look to the Book of Sith for her own account. Attributing the success of the Sith Empire after the coming of the Dark Jedi only to the knowledge of the Dark Jedi is, in my opinion, fairly wrong. Don't forget the Dark Jedi got their butts kicked big-time after their rebellion. I don't know squat of genetics. I'm talking about general capabilities, that's what I understand from "racial superiority". For example, a hardier species is superior to a weaker one, in the physical sense. In the Star Wars universe, a species which is universally Force-sensitive is superior to any species that isn't (like humans), for the simple fact Force-users are more capable than those who are not. And that's certainly what Sith judge as superiority. Even at a time when there were plenty of Sith purebloods. That they believed Dark Jedi ancestry meant power was, again, part of Sith superstition. It gets you killed fellas, superstition gets you killed xD In fact, it's possible human miscigenation killed the predominant Force-sensitivity found amongst those who had (any) Sith ancestry, resulting in squealing Sith-blooded but non-Force-sensitive citizens in the Empire xD I love how the ordinary Imps play superior to my Force-sensitive Jedi Knight xD That's usually right before I kick their arses xD We're off-topic! xD Btw, I missed your statemente about the Emperor not wanting to promote the Sith as a master race. I agree to a point. It doesn't help directly in the emperor's true purpose (which seems to be to eat everyone in the galaxy so far), but it does help him with the bigger tool to do that. Fascist leaders usually use racism as a tool of control. If a poor white man believes himself superior to a society member which is of even lower status for himself, he has a bigger chance of forgetting he too is oppressed by the true ruling class. In other words, he's not Force-sensitive, but has Sith blood, means he'll care less when he's stomped by the true Sith (the Force-sensitive ones), because he gets to stomp on the lowly slave with no Sith blood at all xD So the Emperor had a lot of uses for the concept of Sith racial superiority. Maybe that's why he flung the old concept of racial superiority out the window. That's what I like to think.

So they shouldn't feel racially superior because their race "didn't have many accomplishments of note"? Perhaps if it were otherwise their racism would be justified somehow? Wrong. Compare Ludo Kressh to Naga Sadow. They are clearly of different species. True, BW lazily didn't put some actual purebloods (and I say lazily because there's one basic model for the Sith purebloods and that's it; and I do realise the game's so huge that calling not putting more Sith models in the game laziness is idiotic xD), and it might be justified because TOR takes place 1400 years after the time of Sadow and Kressh. But by 5000 BBY (or 1400 BTC) there are clearly two dominant species: the hybrids and the purebloods. Btw, "inferior", "superior", does not matter. Sadow didn't win his war with Kressh because he had "superior genetics", he won it because he seduced more Sith Lords to his cause (cause of war) than Kressh did. And "Dark Jedi" are clearly inferior in capabilities than Sith: the Dark Jedi exiles absorbed many rituals that were commonplace amongst the Sith, but unknown to Jedi previously. Besides, if the original Dark Jedi felt racially superior to Sith, why would they modify the Sith genetics so they could breed into the Sith species, rather than start a smaller colony of "racially superior beings"? This whole "heritage" nonsense started, I think, after the time of Ajunta Pall and his pals. Sithies thought that, since they had species traits that speak of descendancy to the Jen'jidai conquerors, that would set you apart, when the entire population was comprised of red-skinned individuals. After human populations were absorbed into the Empire, the most telling feature that spoke of heritage (to that classical Sith Empire that existed in the past, deemed superior) shifted into, instead of human traits in a Sith population, Sith traits in a human population. I do like this discussion. But I'd like to remind people it doesn't have squat to do with the thread's topic.

One thing is early game. The current point has seen the Emperor disappear, and the Empire in practice falling under the control of Darth Marr. After Chapter 3, the Empire is a different beast altogether. "Impure" Sith (as in non-Sith blooded members of the Sith Order) have had the time to prove their worth and their power, and ascend to positions of relevance, both in the Dark Council (like Darth Nox - maybe - and Darth Karrid who takes Hadra's place) and in general Imperial life (like that Cathar officer on Makeb and beyond). The point is this: although the Empire has fewer and fewer Sith purebloods, and care less and less about blood purity, the Emperor himself is another matter. And his body is that of a pureblood Therefore, the Knight doesn't kill the Empy's true body.

I'll say it again. People simply don't pay attention. From very early on in the Sith storylines it is established the Empire as a whole views aliens as inferior. The humans who pretend to be superior, early on in the game, only do so because they do have Sith blood. Overseer Tremel brings the Sith Warrior into the Academy earlier because Vemrin, the intended apprentice to Darth Baras, is of mixed blood, "the invisible rot that's eating away the Sith Order" (his own words). Lord Abaron offers a quest where the Acolyte must use a device that probes the blood purity of those it targets. That is, how much Sith blood is found amongst the Overseers on Korriban. He concludes there's little purity left, and he mourns it. And Overseer Harkun brings in a Sith pureblood amidst the Acolytes for Lord Zash, when she specifically asked for a group of slaves, because he wants Zash's apprentice to be of pure blood, not some lowly slave. Lord Renning, in his research, proposes that the Sith species, and therefore those descended from it, are the highest manifestation of the Dark Side's will on living beings, therefore they are superior to all other beings. There are several other instances where the Sith revisit this concept, like in that quest on Tatooine, where you hunt for a Jawa Force-sensitive. The Sith who aids you says that if people discover that "a lowly creature such as a Jawa can master the Force, then people would believe the Sith weren't special." That's racist xenophobia. Same with the heroic quest on Nar Shaddaa where you kill young aliens who were being trained as Jedi. Now, the Empire only begins to change its views on blood purity after the Great Galactic War, where the population of Sith-blooded individuals began to dwindle from the casualties of the war. The lore files on Sith training specifically state that it was only recently (considering the beginning of the game as a reference point) that "aliens were allowed into the Academy". Aliens here refers both to non-human species and to humans not descended of Sith bloodlines. Another clear vision of this concept comes in the Red Reaper flashpoint, where Darth Malgus' "grandfather" (the Sith Lord who trained Malgus' master) returns after being thought killed, with a host of Sith purebloods on his back, with the clear intention of purging the Empire of all inferior species: both aliens and those with dilute blood, such as the Sith-blooded humans in the Empire. After you defeat Darth Ikoral, Malgus muses on how the Sith must evolve and adopt a new paradigm, that the days when the Sith concerned themselves with blood purity has passed. But that only happens 20-30 years after the Empire returns to the known Galaxy. Before that, blood purity was a very valued concept, and precious few exceptions exist at the game's beginning. It's needless to say the Emperor predates the beginning of the Great Galactic War by, say, at least 1400 years. He hails from a time where there were only Sith purebloods in the Sith Empire. So there's no way to consider that a human body can be the Emperor's true body.

People are forgetting the ritual on Nathema. The Emperor's real body is guarded by the Hand. That's their primary purpose: safeguarding the Emperor's true body, which was rendered immortal by the ritual. However immortal it is, it's obvious the Emperor feared the body's destruction after Revan's attempt in the novel. That's when he begins using Voices, but his true body still exists. It's rather obvious the Emperor's body on the end of Chapter 3 for the JK quests isn't his true body, as it is a human one, rather than a Sith pureblood body. If people didn't notice that, they simply weren't paying attention to the game as a whole, where it is rather clearly established Vitiate created a xenophobic empire, whose superior species is not human, but rather the Sith purebloods.

But a media such as this, endorsing that ridiculous bit of power, has the potential to reach many more people than some obscure comics lost amidst so many Star Wars comic books. I prefer the Force as it was in Episodes I-VI, where a pretty awesome and sinister display was... Force choking someone, as Vader did to that cheeky admiral on Episode IV.

Everybody likes to remember how Revs was before TOR. Nobody seems to notice how he is during the Malestron/Foundry arc. At least I don't think they do. Because I.. uhm... didn't read most of the previous comments xD Anyhoo, here's my two cents. Revan, after being freed, wasn't the "good guy" he was when he set off strumping after the Emperor 300 years in the past. Let us not forget he thought the best he could do was stay in the Emperor's stasis chamber, and keep trying to influence the guy's mind. When he gets sprung for jail, he goes for what he considers the second best thing: just kill all the Sith. Does that sound Dark Side to you? It does to me. His pet assassin droid (whose skills HK is happy to tell us his master is in no shame of using) lays out basically what he intends to do. Wipe out, crush, smash, burn and disembowel 97% of the Imperial population. No argument. Got Sith blood? BAM! Dead! Got a Sith great-great-great-great-grandfather? BAM! Dead! Does that sound Dark Side to you? It does to me. He even uses Force Storm now and again, and we all know who was the poster boy for that skill was: Darth Sidious. I found the Foundry the perfect end for Revan. Much better would it be had Bioware not provided any fan service at all, granted, but they did, and in my opinion they could not have done it better. Let Revan die as he always lived - an overrated character to whom the ends always justify the means (clichè anti-hero if ever there was one). At least he died with some dignity that the fans took away from him with all the embellishment and ego polishing. (***FAIR WARNING***: This was my opinion. ***** about it if you want, I won't respond) Of course, before Bioware brought back zombie Revan to haunt our sleep again... So what are his motivations? No idea. The development will tell. What we can be sure is this, or at least that's what I expect. Revan's no longer the good guy, has not been since the Foundry. That means Dark Side. But whatever Bioware does with this mess, we can expect them to keep along the track it has been following, of offering the same story to both sides, with only minute differences and with pubes and imps working together to save the galaxy weeeeeeeeee! Cheesy, lazy storytelling, especially if you compare with the past history of eight different, intertwined but independent stories developped outside of the realm of fan service (talking about the class stories now). PS: Revan's return was annoyingly obvious, the moment Bioware changed his death animation from a proper death animation to a lame flash of lightning that got the fans drooling and speaking of teleports and whatnot (hasn't the EU butchered the Force enough without teleports?). The circumstances of his return, however, should have been better. On a sidenote, when will content once again to be developped outside of tactical flashpoint *****? Give us a planet already! No, Bioware, I'm not interested in visiting refurbished planets from KotOR, keep Kashyyyk to yourself if you please. And no, Bioware, offering an empty planet that's just a two-area platform for your quests does not qualify either.

Not at all. If you look at the timeline, there are at least 1400 years separating the SI from his ancestor, Aloysius Kallig, and there may be up to 3300 years separating them. That time span may be more than enough for most extant Sith traits to disappear completely, if you consider the circumstances of Kallig's life and death. Talos says that Kallig was "oddly pro-alien" during his lifetime. If he had not been murdered by Tulak Hord's orders, Talos added he suspected the Sith Empire would have been quite different (meaning that they would not be intollerant towards those who weren't of Sith blood). That suggests a strong possibility that Kallig's child could have an alien parent, human or otherwise (by alien, I mean non-Sith). And considering that, following Kallig's death, there is a strong possibility that Tulak Hord, could have banned Kallig's descendants, or at least tried to kill them, that means Kallig's child (and his possibly alien parent) could have fled and lived out their lives completely outside of the Sith Empire, before Marka Ragnos was even born. Now, Kallig's possibly half-alien descendant, living outside of the Empire and deemed a traitor by the very Dark Lord of the Sith, would have most likely found it very hard to mate with a pureblood and thus keep the lineage "clean" for a few more generations. In fact, being the son of Kallig, it is very possible he didn't give squat about blood purity as well, and could have raised descendants of his own with a representative of absolutely any species in the galaxy, even Cathar. That seems especially likely to have happened, also if you consider the fact that Kallig's descendants down the line eventually forgot who their ancestor was, and the Sith Inquisitor was raised from slavery. That fact alone makes it impossible for the Inquisitor to have that background as a Sith pureblood. The chance of anyone, within the Empire or outside of it, having a Sith pureblood for a slave is pretty ridiculous and laughable.

The Old Sith Empire existed for 2000 years before the death of Marka Ragnos. And even before that, though the arrival of the Dark Jedi exiles circa 7000 BBY changed its face considerably. Marka Ragnos was said to have ruled little over a century, which leaves a wide period in which Tulak Hord, and other Dark Lords of the Sith, could have risen and fallen without messing up the continuity. In fact, one such Dark Lord (and the first Dark Lord of the Old Sith Empire) was Ajunta Pall. There are no others which have given names, only the four (Ragnos, Sadow, Hord and Pall). As for the lightsabre, I don't know who you can thank for that discontinuity, but the lack of lightsabres in the Empire was retconned after the development of the specific stories of the Dark Jedi exiles that transformed the Sith Empire. That introduced lightsabres (even the modern, cord-less ones) waaaay before the time of Ragnos. To explain the lack of lightsabres in Ragnos' own time, the rushed, illogical explanation was that it was considered more refined to use Sith swords rather than lightsabres at that particular time. It was nevertheless this retcon that justified why the Sith Empire from the time span of TOR (who descended directly from Sadow's Old Sith Empire) also had exclusively lightsabres to work with.

Easily Darth Baras. Not only the best voice-acting in the game, he has the fiercest (and also most unique) looks amongst the Sith Lords. That mask is just awesome. All in all, old fat Baras is fat, but he is the most adequate Sith Lord displayed in the entire story so far. I'm sure we'll still see some bad-assery come from Darth Marr, but it will be hard to topple Darth Baras' handiwork.

That commentary may be true (it's arguable, from what the movies show us, which doesn't contribute necessarily to the discussion so I won't go into the finer details). But even if it is true, that still doesn't leave any room for any OP crap. There is no limit to what the Force can do, but the limits of what an individual can do with the Force do exist, as Luke, with all his Force-awesomeness cannot raise an X-Wing from the bog, and Anakin with all of his Dark Side potency can't manage to beat Obi-wan.Same with Palpatine/Yoda.

So because there are a whole bunch of crap assassins, suddenly it's alright to have a zombie Sith, a world-devourer and Darth Traya? That's the point. I am not discussing Force Drain, I'm discussing how dumb the Sith trio is because of its superpowers. I didn't say you were denying. But you are justifying their presence. Go ahead, you're entitled to it. But my opinion is that, background or no, point or no, storytelling or no, superpowers are never a welcome addition to any franchise. Whether you like it or not, KotOR 2 contributes quite a bit to the Dragon Ball race of stupid powers. You have also spoke a lot of Vitiate. But you forgot that the very character's concept was introduced in K2, both in the form of Nihilus and in the mysterious true Sith that loomed in the edge of known space, the "source" of the Triumvirate's Force Drain. Here's what I mean - Jedi serve the Force. Sith try to have the Force serve them. No addiction alluded to, not even by Kreia. Kreia in fact states a belief very close to the true Sith code (chains shall be broken, anyone?) when she says that the Force having a will was an abhorrent thing, and that sentient beings should instead take counsel from their own wills. Her chosen modus operandi was to level the field and remove the bearer of the will, ergo, destroy the Force. Or deafen the galaxy to it or whatever she thought she could achieve. And, regardless of their incarnation, the Sith have always stuck to that little tenet (of having the Force obey their will, rather than the other way around). In fact, it's what they were founded upon. Twisting reality to achieve their goals. It doesn't matter if it's Two, One, an Order or a Brotherhood, Sith will be Sith, it's not the red lightsaber and Force lightning that defines them. It's how they seek to use the Force. I'm not dealing in "ifs". That alone does not serve the argument that you're trying to make, that Star Wars needs OP crap. Who's arguing that Vitiate is better or worse than any other OP character? Oh, right. You are. I don't give two damns about Vitiate, mate. He's as bad as the others. No, not worse. At least in TOR, he's all alone in his OP nonsense, and doesn't have a bunch of companions each with his unique superpower. Uhm, let me guess... What should really feel like Star Wars? Maybe the films, yeah. Let's analyse this. Yoda: He's the strongest Force-user around, bar Anakin. But he's more practiced anyways. He can't pull a Star Detroyer out from orbit - lifting a heavy column is difficult enough that he has to stop fighting to do it. Anakin Skywalker: Truly, the most powerful Force-user in his time, though a bit reckless, and less experienced then others. He still gets chopped up, and burned alive. What's the result? He survived because of his rage, an amazing feat, but he's worthless without a pressurised armoured suit. Darth Sidious: The most powerful Sith Lord to have ever lived. Does he destroy planets? No. Does he insta-fry three Jedi Masters because he's that awesome? Well, yeah, but he does it with a lightsaber. That detail makes it, you know, believable in the context of the universe where he should belong to. Some scary things he can do with the Force? Fry you slowly with his lightning (which could still be countered, vide Windu and Yoda), or throw the whole Senate at you. Piece by piece, though. Luke: The son of the top 1 Force-user (before he was crippled) Anakin. What can he do? Well... Beat Vader. But he can't really raise an X-Wing from the bog (at least early on in his training). No room in there for mind tricks on Jedi Masters (like Kreia does for sport), zombie Sith, or eating whole worlds/galaxies, pulling Star Destroyers from orbit, or solo-killing quadrillions of stormtroopers or whatever these types of characters have been seen doing. Like Luke asked Yoda: "Is the Dark Side stronger? No! Quicker, easier, more seductive." Nothing in there about absolute, unbridled, unstoppable, galaxy-destroying powers of any sort. The Force is not D&D magic. In the films. Unfortunately, in the EU, people don't seem to agree, because superpowers appeal to children. So all I can hope for is that at Disney they put a lid on that sort of thing. Maybe that's hoping too much, but I've grown tired of this discussion at any rate. So cheerio.

Miraluka may have still had eyes, but they would be atrophied and utterly incapable of perceiving visible light. From the Tales of the Jedi Companion (handbook to the original West End Games SW RPG, which describes the Great Sith War, where the Miraluka were originally introduced). "Since the Abron system's (the system where Alpheridies, the Miraluka homeworld, was located) red dwarf star emits energy mostly in the infrared spectrum, the Miraluka gradually lost their ability to sense and process visible light waves. During that period of mutation, the Miraluka's long-dormant ability to "see" the Force grew stronger, until they relied upon Force-sight without conscious effort." So no, holograms and electronic screens would not be perceived by their biological eyes. There is no similar limitation to Force Sight, however, so they possibly could have a fully functional sight that allowed them to polish lightsabre crystals, fly a starfighter with deadly precision (feats performed by Shoaneb Culu, first Miraluka to appear in the EU), or act as an archivist or historian (like Jerec) or do pretty much anything that a fully-functional sentient with complete visual capacity can do. They'd only be completely blinded in places where Force sight was impaired, or where the Force was absent.

I do know LotRO came up with a system where you can re-play the majour steps of the main questline, and they even gave level-specific rewards for it. I think it would be pretty awesome to run through the Nox/Thanaton fight again, certainly the Wrath/Baras and Hero of Tython/Emperor fights as well. However, the fact that the choices affect the outcome of the scenes so heavily, it is probably not feasible to do it on TOR. To be able to view the cutscenes, though, would be certainly great. When I wanna relive those momens, I must settle with those youtube vids with guys in funky gear and picking light-side choices for their Sith XD No fun, that way.

Seeing KotOR 1 and 2, I honestly hope they don't stick their nose into the New Sith Wars, or the 1000-year blank slate before it.

Maybe I should draw this so you can understand. I am not talking about the assassins, I am talking about Kreia and Nihilus. Don't change the subject. Kreia's usage of it is overblown and unwelcome. And yes, if you compare Star Wars to the real world, the Force is overblown. But this is not the comparison I am making. The comparison is between real Star Wars and KotOR 2. In which case, yes, those stupid abilities are overblown. Compare these: Force Choke vs. Planet-wide Force Drain Force Lightning vs. Kill-the-Force Tutaminis (Yoda absorbing lightning with his bare hand) vs. Survive being struck down by a lightsaber unharmed for consecutive times There's your context for comparison. Hence, KotOR 2 is overblown. I am not comparing Sion's power to anyone else's. You are. All I am saying is that it's a ridiculous power that has no business in the Star Wars continuity. It's overblown in the same proportion as all the other crap in K2. The fact he can't use it to kill the galaxy doesn't make it alright, see? "Force addiction" doesn't exist. And you got the Sith all wrong. Read the Darth Plagueis novel, where it is explicit what the Sith philosophy really means. Besides, yet again you are changing the focus of the discussion. Nobody is arguing the "literary virtues" of KotOR 2 (to me, there are none). People are wondering whether or not Star Wars would be a better place without all this overblown crap introduced in the EU. Stop with these comparisons. In K2, the overblown powers are as much a plot device as in TOR. It doesn't matter that the authors went to great lengths to explain its sources. It doesn't matter that there is character development. It doesn't matter that it revolves around personal themes. The plot could have achieved all that without the cheese of the superpowers. I already said this too many times, but you're too fond of KotOR to get the point across. A good story doesn't need any superpowers to work. No ammount of justification or patching can change the fact that sort of story feels out of place in Star Wars. That's not how the Force is supposed to operate. He is not Lovecraftian without a Lovecraftian story now, is he? Vitiate is amoral, he doesn't need any other traits else to describe him, and no personality label so you can feel good about categorising him.

The Triumvirate is the left-over from Malak's empire. How powerful can the left-overs of the Triumvirate be? Besides, the Triumvirate was far from intact. They were far less numerous and powerful than Malak's Sith to begin with, and they suffered not one or two, but three majour setbacks - defeats on Onderon, Telos and Malachor V would've chopped the head and burned the body of the Triumvirate, leaving leaving few survivours, and of the least powerful, too. KotOR 1 and 2 bled that source of Sith dry, trying to cook up a third game with that would be forcing the issue. A third KotOR could only relate to that mysterious Empire Revan set off to find, and indeed it is.

It is beside the point because I was talking about Kreia's powers, not the other assassins. Kreia's power is ridiculously overblown, because she can execute three Jedi masters in an instant with her power. Are you really trying to convince me it is not overblown? Please. Pales? Meetra butters him up with a lightsaber, and he doesn't die. She then proceeds to butter him up with a lightsaber for the second time and he still doesn't die. So, she butters him up with a lightsaber for the third time, and she needs to convince him to die so that he will die. So apparently he's impervious to a lightsaber. And you're trying to convince me that is not disproportionately OP? The thing you like about KotOR 2 is the thing I dislike about KotOR 2. You're not supposed to know how to kill the god. You can be self-determined without this overblown plot to destroy the Force. In fact, that is the fundamental difference between the Jedi and the Sith: while the Jedi follow the will of the Force, the Sith try to bend the Force to their will. So it's not all that fresh after all. The Darth Plagueis novel is pretty much about that theme. I would be that interested in reading the story of a Sith Lord who realises he's only a slave to the Force. But if you give that Sith Lord the ability to destroy it, the story loses its charm, and the focus of the character shifts from the angst of being enslaved to a greater power than his own to this convoluted plot on how to destroy said greater power, and suddenly it's a Dragon Ball contest. It becomes impersonal, and deterministic. Let me give you an example. Both trilogies could be all about the Death Star. But they are not. The Death Star is not the centre of the plot, the evil Empire is. The Empire does not need the Death Star to cause unwelcome harm in the galaxy, and Palpatine did not need a Death Star to get where he is. The Death Star is a manifestation for his murderous nature, his caring only for control above all things. Destroying the Death Star is a meaningless gesture, because the guy who envisioned its construction, who desired to use its power, still lives. So, the Empire came into being without a Death Star, and the Empire did not end when it was ultimately destroyed. The fate of the Death Star is not the fate of the galaxy. This is precisely where we whole-heartedly disagree. A plot that revolves around one superpower/superweapon or another, rather than on the characters, is foolish to me. You see it like "Kids, I will tell you the story of Darth Traya, the cleverest betrayer evah", to me, it's like "Kids, I will tell you how one can destroy the Force and should/would do it". Because to me, your vision is snuffed by the second purpose. The thing that would define an interesting story "gets lost in the sh*tstorm", in my opinion. Besides, the whole concept does not fit with the Star Wars universe. Why didn't Leia Organa, a Force-sensitive, turn into a black hole when she watched Alderaan be destroyed? Why ddin't Darth Vader, a Dark Sider, who would certain feel an ammount of wicked pleasure at the disturbance created by the death of the planet, not turn into a black hole? Because black holes are cheesy. The whole thing is too dramatic, when the Force is actually supposed to be a subtle thing. Choking someone with the Force is supposed to be a pretty big deal, Force lightning is as overblown as a Force power should be. Bashing a Star Destroyer, eating an entire planet, killing the Force? No. That sort of thing turns this faintly-defined field that subtly drives events into a contest on who's the most OP mofo. The Force is choked, once again, by the sh*tstorm. Finally, you do not understand Vitiate's motivations. He is quite uninterested in ruling the galaxy. In his own words, he just wants to experience everything as he sees fit. He is so uninterested in actual control that he relegated control of the Empire to the Dark Council very early in the Empire's history. He did care to show who was boss from time to time, but it has been very well established that he did not care for the Sith Empire, or the Republic, or life in the galaxy. Vitiate is the personification of the completely amoral character, as opposed to Palpatine, who's immoral - he can tell right from wrong, and he chooses wrong willingly. Vitiate doesn't care about right or wrong. Now this is really a fresh concept in Star Wars, but it still gets lost in his OP nonsense. This casualty I actually mourn, because he is an unconventional Sith and no mistake.

That's beside the point. Still leaves the problem of her knowing how to "destroy the Force". And I don't give a bantha's crap on how she intends to destroy the Force, it's distasteful enough that she is capable of it without going into too much detail. Besides, how could I have forgotten one other absurd - Darth Sion-survives-lightsaber-blows-repeated-times too.Thanks for reminding me of him. This here sentence shows that the very thing you like about KotOR 2 is the overblown superpowers. Don't remember if I said this before... if a story inherently depends on OP crap, it is fundamentally flawed. And KotOR 2 doesn't depend on one, or two, pieces of OP stuff. It depends on, quite literally, craploads of it.

Hahaha! I don't get the story! I get it all too well, that's why I dislike it. Here's why I throw them into the bag and set them all on fire. "Darth Traya" can go invisible. Force invisibility goes into the OP Force abilities that I think the EU would be better off without. Asides from that, she can conveniently mind-trick all the Jedi Council (as if all the Jedi Council had the weak minds Obi-wan speaks of when he refers to mind tricks), so they conveniently forget she ever existed, or she is even there. Cheesy plot device, wanting to make Darth Traya like Palpatine, but more OP. Again. People resent that "most powerful Sith Lord" fact very badly. At every turn some villain pops up who does what Palpatine does but in a more absurd overblown manner. "Darth Traya" could insta-kill three council members, with the Force Drain she previously stated could not be directed by the will, but was instead an innate ability that one could not control. Why could she not simply fight them off and kill them one by one, Palpatine-style? Because it'd be much cooler and more believable? "Darth Traya" can kill the Force, or create the Force wounds at a whim, apparently. Or at least she plans to. Or at least she thinks she can. Nuff said. "Darth Nihilus" can chow down on an entire planet. That's plain dumb. It's the only thing that defines the character, because all other traits derive from his stupid OP ability. I don't even count him on the hall of the Sith Lords, because he's just the sorriest excuse amongst OP characters. Vitiate is better than Nihilus. But they'd all go into the sack, and be set on fire.