Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Members maybe? Also what mercenaries aside from Jango? Also implying that mercenaries can't just be that good, when they can be. Where do you want to compare the members, since then all you're saying is the Clone Wars era Jedi are better because they have more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Where do you want to compare the members, since then all you're saying is the Clone Wars era Jedi are better because they have more information. Isn't that kind of the point? More information= More clear indication of what someone or something, a group or organization is capable of. Sorry that I don't just take one single quote and run with it concerning this, I like to have much more information. But I apologies as this is treading into off topic and not related to the topic at hand, so we can just move on. Edited May 19, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Isn't that kind of the point? More information= More clear indication of what someone or something, a group or organization is capable of. Sorry that I don't just take one single quote and run with it concerning this, I like to have much more information. Well no, it's not. You're trying to argue that your opinion on which order is better is more important than a sourcebook which knowingly and purposefully places the era you prefer in second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Well to be honest considering Talzin is in league with Caedus, she's probably too OP anyway. And there goes my faction idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Well no, it's not. You're trying to argue that your opinion on which order is better is more important than a sourcebook which knowingly and purposefully places the era you prefer in second place. I hardly prefer the PT era, I'm more the GCW era. Also it's not my opinion when there's more information compared to the one quote from 1 sourcebook that one can look at. It would be my opinion if there wasn't any other information, but I'm not using my opinion. I'm using the information and going off of that. I really wouldn't care if the Kotor era was better, but 1 quote alone for me doesn't make it so. But anyway lets just move on, I didn't mean for this to tread into off topic. Edited May 19, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I hardly prefer the PT era, I'm more the GCW era. Also it's not my opinion when there's more information compared to the one quote from 1 sourcebook that one can look at. It would be my opinion if there wasn't any other information, but I'm not using my opinion. I'm using the information and going off of that. But anyway lets just move on, I didn't mean for this to tread into off topic. Nah, this thread's pretty random anyway. Ok, Compare the information we have on the top Jedi. Remove Yoda/Windu/Anakin and Revan/Surik from the equation. Great's don't count towards the total order's prime. If you look at the Jedi Council's of these era's, the best lightsaber duelists in the Prequel Trilogy are Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto and Obi Wan. Shaak Ti and Kenobi mastered two forms each, Kit Fisto only one. Compare that the the Kotor Era, Atris who mastered a minimum of 5, and Zez-Kai-El, Kavar and Vrook all mastering 4 each. This from an order (PT) who specialized in dueling. Compare the force abilities of the rank and file Jedi, PT Jedi have shown honestly nothing noteworthy in regards to the force, where Jedi Guardians in the Kotor Era were taught Sever Force as a standard. That's supposedly one of the most masterful abilities of the Light Side. And again, the Order's skill in battle against the Mandalorians is even more proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Disclaimer: This is in no way a Beniboybling sanctioned thread and no one is required to partake in it. In the spirit of friendship, or rather as a way to take the chaos out of actual kaggath matches to create a thread where we show our future Kaggath ideas in the open and bounce ideas off of each other in a non-competitive and friendly manner, with that being said I will start off with the faction idea I have had: Epoch of Terror Leadership: Head of State: Darth Jadus Second-in-Command: Keeper, Minister of Intelligence Allies: Hk-47* & Hand of Jadus** Supplier: Schism Collective Organisation: Imperial Intelligence*** Military: Minor Ground Force: Hex Droids**** Minor Ground Force: Hk-51 Army ------------------------------------------------------ Minor Naval Force: Crystal Stealth Armada Minor Naval Force: Imperial Intelligence prototype fleet Planets: Capital World: Emperor's Space Station Stronghold: Sebaddon Stronghold: The Foundry Organization World: Nar Shaddaa *Hk-47 has been programmed to serve Darth Jadus and the rest of leadership. **Cipher Nine, the Hand of Jadus. ***Imperial Intelligence of the Sith Empire ****Hex Droids have been programmed to serve Darth Jadus and the rest of leadership. What is the Crystal Stealth Armada? Cant find it on Wookiee. Aside from that this is probably my favorite of those posted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Nah, this thread's pretty random anyway. Ok, Compare the information we have on the top Jedi. Remove Yoda/Windu/Anakin and Revan/Surik from the equation. Great's don't count towards the total order's prime. If you look at the Jedi Council's of these era's, the best lightsaber duelists in the Prequel Trilogy are Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto and Obi Wan. Shaak Ti and Kenobi mastered two forms each, Kit Fisto only one. Compare that the the Kotor Era, Atris who mastered a minimum of 5, and Zez-Kai-El, Kavar and Vrook all mastering 4 each. This from an order (PT) who specialized in dueling. Compare the force abilities of the rank and file Jedi, PT Jedi have shown honestly nothing noteworthy in regards to the force, where Jedi Guardians in the Kotor Era were taught Sever Force as a standard. That's supposedly one of the most masterful abilities of the Light Side. And again, the Order's skill in battle against the Mandalorians is even more proof. You're forgetting others like Cin, Sora and so on who mastered more than 1 form. Although just because someone mastered more than 1 or 2 forms, doesn't mean they would be better than those who solely focus on 1 form. Also there are far greater duelists than just 3 in the PT era. Where it is said that Sever Force was a standard? Although that seems more like something that was needed, if it was a standard it's not like others later on wouldn't be able to also use it, they just never had a need. Also Mandos aren't exactly impressive in the PT era either, you had random Jedi also cutting down Mandos with ease really. Edited May 19, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nah, this thread's pretty random anyway. Ok, Compare the information we have on the top Jedi. Remove Yoda/Windu/Anakin and Revan/Surik from the equation. Great's don't count towards the total order's prime. If you look at the Jedi Council's of these era's, the best lightsaber duelists in the Prequel Trilogy are Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto and Obi Wan. Shaak Ti and Kenobi mastered two forms each, Kit Fisto only one. Compare that the the Kotor Era, Atris who mastered a minimum of 5, and Zez-Kai-El, Kavar and Vrook all mastering 4 each. This from an order (PT) who specialized in dueling. Compare the force abilities of the rank and file Jedi, PT Jedi have shown honestly nothing noteworthy in regards to the force, where Jedi Guardians in the Kotor Era were taught Sever Force as a standard. That's supposedly one of the most masterful abilities of the Light Side. And again, the Order's skill in battle against the Mandalorians is even more proof. Just three, Sel? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 No secret that the factions I have thought up for classic mode are... well, terrible. But full of flavor dang it! Alliance of Native People of the Free Galaxy Leadership: Head of State: Boba Fett Second-in-Command: Captain Tarpal Allies: Chew'bacca & URoRRuR'R'R Supplier: Mandel'Motors Supplier: Kilik Hives (from swarm war) Military: Minor Ground Force: Grand Gungan Army Minor Ground Force: Tusken Raiders ------------------------------------------------------ Major Naval Force: Mandalorian Fleet planets unknown: Let the laughter ensue. What about that other faction you had? It had Rohm Mohc and the Arc Hammer among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Just three, Sel? :/ Well I could name more among the council who's limited mastery confuses me. Eeth Koth, Plo Koon, Adi Galia breaks the mould by mastering two. I'd say Unduli but according to the Clone Wars adventures she didn't even master Soresu. Point is, you can't just say they're the greatest in history because they have more information, because what information we can compare they aren't actually superior in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Just three, Sel? :/ Oh also, I've done a U-Turn on my Surik respect thread. I think I've come up with a far more interesting idea, it should be up in about an hour. I'm in chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Well I could name more among the council who's limited mastery confuses me. Eeth Koth, Plo Koon, Adi Galia breaks the mould by mastering two. I'd say Unduli but according to the Clone Wars adventures she didn't even master Soresu. Point is, you can't just say they're the greatest in history because they have more information, because what information we can compare they aren't actually superior in. Mastering more than 1 form, doesn't mean one is superior to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Mastering more than 1 form, doesn't mean one is superior to another. Not necessarily, but again, when it's one of the few areas we can compare them, why not? Either way, I'm busy right now but once I'm done with this blog I'll start looking for quotes on average Kotor Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Not necessarily, but again, when it's one of the few areas we can compare them, why not? Either way, I'm busy right now but once I'm done with this blog I'll start looking for quotes on average Kotor Jedi. Let's just move on, I really didn't want this to drag into a thread that has nothing to do with what this is. I should have just bit my tongue. Edited May 19, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Oh also, I've done a U-Turn on my Surik respect thread. I think I've come up with a far more interesting idea, it should be up in about an hour. I'm in chat Oh, sounds cool! I've got class so I'll have to check it out when that's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Alright, how about this:? The Dominion of the Dragon Head of state: Darth Krayt RebornSecond in Command: Grand Moff KilranAllies: Darth Nihl and IG-88 (not sure on both of them) Ground Forces: Sith Troopers (One Sith) would those be major or minor ground forces? Navy: Sith Trooper Fleet (the fleet that Krayt reveals towards the end of the Legacy series, I dont think that it has a name) Supplier: KDY Capital world: KorribanStronghold world: BastionSupply world: Kuat Thats all I can think of for now. Edited May 19, 2015 by raandomname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Ok, so here's that Surik thread for anyone interested. Focusing on her feats, nothing about her own mastery of force powers or Saber Styles, merely dispelling the illusion that she is featless, or that those she faced were. I hope you enjoy http://www.comicvine.com/profile/selenial/blog/an-in-depth-look-at-meetra-surik/105112/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Ok, so here's that Surik thread for anyone interested. Focusing on her feats, nothing about her own mastery of force powers or Saber Styles, merely dispelling the illusion that she is featless, or that those she faced were. I hope you enjoy http://www.comicvine.com/profile/selenial/blog/an-in-depth-look-at-meetra-surik/105112/ While it wasn't what I expected (style-wise, NOT quality-wise), it is an excellent thread. Definitely gave me a greater appreciation for Meetra's lesser known feats, especially for Visas. Since I haven't played cut-content, this was a learning experience for me. Awesome work, Sel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 While it wasn't what I expected (style-wise, NOT quality-wise), it is an excellent thread. Definitely gave me a greater appreciation for Meetra's lesser known feats, especially for Visas. Since I haven't played cut-content, this was a learning experience for me. Awesome work, Sel! I'm still debating the standard respect thread. After Nova added to his I feel though that what little I could do to improve it isn't worth it, I'll just PM him suggestions. I just felt after that KMC argument, a collation of reasons why her feats were impressive and not against fearless people was needed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still debating the standard respect thread. After Nova added to his I feel though that what little I could do to improve it isn't worth it, I'll just PM him suggestions. I just felt after that KMC argument, a collation of reasons why her feats were impressive and not against fearless people was needed... Both accounts are fair. I think this was needed. Most of the time, from what I've seen, all that really gets pulled up is the Malachor feat. It's impressive, but we shouldn't restrict ourselves to a single feat, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm still debating the standard respect thread. After Nova added to his I feel though that what little I could do to improve it isn't worth it, I'll just PM him suggestions. I just felt after that KMC argument, a collation of reasons why her feats were impressive and not against fearless people was needed... Now, if one was to construct a respect thread for Trench, Desann, or the Inquisitorius who has source books on them... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZLkBznAijk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Both accounts are fair. I think this was needed. Most of the time, from what I've seen, all that really gets pulled up is the Malachor feat. It's impressive, but we shouldn't restrict ourselves to a single feat, you know? Indeed! But that's not even the worst part, it's that the feat is usually "She killed Traya on a Nexus, das cool I guess, but...." instead of "She killed Darth Traya on a nexus, after slaying dozens of Mutated SithSpawn, their pseudo-chieftan who could kill an armored warrior in 3 strikes, a legion of elite Sith assassins who gained ranks based on how many Jedi they killed followed by the most famed Jedi Killer 4 times in single combat. All while on a Dark Side nexus that crushed every cell of her being" It saddens me. Also Sil, they don't really have enough information I am compiling things for a leadership argument though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Indeed! But that's not even the worst part, it's that the feat is usually "She killed Traya on a Nexus, das cool I guess, but...." instead of "She killed Darth Traya on a nexus, after slaying dozens of Mutated SithSpawn, their pseudo-chieftan who could kill an armored warrior in 3 strikes, a legion of elite Sith assassins who gained ranks based on how many Jedi they killed followed by the most famed Jedi Killer 4 times in single combat. All while on a Dark Side nexus that crushed every cell of her being" It saddens me. Also Sil, they don't really have enough information I am compiling things for a leadership argument though... Insane. I understand how you feel, Sel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karadron Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hmm...I guess I'll need to post one of my faction ideas. But where is the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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