PureAffliction Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Jawa junk needed to be nerfed, but you over-nerfed them, as well as cartel certificates. Jawa junks have now 100 TIMES LESS chance to be obtained. Maybe a little too much. Spending thousand of credits to buy coins and spending hours to only have a few token is ridiculous and a waste of time. Did cartel certificates need to have 40 TIMES LESS chance to be obtained ? No, it didn't ruined economy as much as Jawa junks. Why did you put a 45% chance to LOSE when using the slot machine instead of 25% ? It's almost 1/2 chance to lose. You must be kidding ? We have more chance to win even on Nar Shaddaa casino. You will have to think again about this and make intelligent tweaks in a close patch. Or nobody will buy cartel packs packs for a while. Also, you didn't even tell us that the cartel certificates has been nerfed to death. You tried to screw us, I think you will have some regrets for a long time. Playing with your community's faith and trust is really something you shouldn't do. Seems like developers dont know the difference between nerfing and "killing". I agree, that jawa scrap drop rate was too high, but considering new drop rates, they just "removed" it for most players who dont use bots and use slot machine for fun. And what was wrong about certificates? They even havnt meantioned it in official post! Big thanks bioware. Broken class balance, credit sellers constant spam, useless support, that cant even help with returning mail and non class missions. And now this. Im a subscriber almost since launch, and this is what I have in return. I feel like you just want us to leave so u can shutdown the game. Spoken true I was going to post on here as well about this, our guild flag ship has 19, and from what I heard you are trying to "boost the economy" I can tell you this will DESTROY the economy extremely badly because no one will use these if the DROPS stated above are that bad. If you want to boost the economy MOST subscribers have max rep on most things due to cartel packs so reduce the rep boost the Jawa drops and make the coins back to 500 also add prizes that are actually obtainable. I spend 200+ a month on this game just to have things that I spent my creds on and put in for the guild get not nerfed but ABLITERATED to no end. Please listen to your subscribers bioware. Please don't do this. All those tickets will just slow them down from addressing other issues. And the CSR are busy enough already. And you tell us not to post tickets to demand our money back but I feel that maybe if they get enough of us posting and complaining maybe they will do a hot fix so they DONT have to refund our money if they FIX THE ISSUE Edited January 21, 2015 by PureAffliction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureAffliction Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) slow net posted twice Edited January 21, 2015 by PureAffliction Work posted twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have no issue with the change. It's like an actual slot machine now. As in you're most likely going to lose your money. It's how it should be. Of course I had no issue with it prior to the change either. They said it was working fine, people complained. They changed it because you wanted it. And now more complaints. I mean, I guess I get it, but why not just enjoy it for what it is, it's not game breaking. It's an entertaining little mini game (which we need A LOT more of). I dig it /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureAffliction Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have no issue with the change. It's like an actual slot machine now. As in you're most likely going to lose your money. It's how it should be. Of course I had no issue with it prior to the change either. They said it was working fine, people complained. They changed it because you wanted it. And now more complaints. I mean, I guess I get it, but why not just enjoy it for what it is, it's not game breaking. It's an entertaining little mini game (which we need A LOT more of). I dig it /shrug To be honest I nor did any of my active guild members complain that it "was needed to be changed" all we *****ed about was NOT getting certs before and when they said they would nerf it we were EXPECTING to get more CERTS and less of everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierlac Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have no issue with the change. It's like an actual slot machine now. As in you're most likely going to lose your money. It's how it should be. Of course I had no issue with it prior to the change either. They said it was working fine, people complained. They changed it because you wanted it. And now more complaints. I mean, I guess I get it, but why not just enjoy it for what it is, it's not game breaking. It's an entertaining little mini game (which we need A LOT more of). I dig it /shrug You don't live in Vegas then. These machines don't only a. Deliver what was promised when released. b. Have Worse odds then the slots in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You don't live in Vegas then. These machines don't only a. Deliver what was promised when released. b. Have Worse odds then the slots in Vegas. No, I do not live in Vegas. But there is a casino down the street. I have better odds with the in game machine. Real life machines take all my money most of the time. In game machine gives me something most of the time. But odds aside, it's a mini game. I don't play slots in real life assuming I'm going to win. I don't play the machine in game assuming I'm going to win. It's just a fun little distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciry Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 No, I do not live in Vegas. But there is a casino down the street. I have better odds with the in game machine. Real life machines take all my money most of the time. In game machine gives me something most of the time. But odds aside, it's a mini game. I don't play slots in real life assuming I'm going to win. I don't play the machine in game assuming I'm going to win. It's just a fun little distraction. Right click... wait... right click.... wait... right click.... wait... right click.... wait..................... You are easily distracted and I can't imagine anyone calling that "fun." But, if it floats your boat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have no issue with the change. It's like an actual slot machine now. As in you're most likely going to lose your money. It's how it should be. Of course I had no issue with it prior to the change either. They said it was working fine, people complained. They changed it because you wanted it. And now more complaints. I mean, I guess I get it, but why not just enjoy it for what it is, it's not game breaking. It's an entertaining little mini game (which we need A LOT more of). I dig it /shrug Except real slots have a higher ROI rate to keep people playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Right click... wait... right click.... wait... right click.... wait... right click.... wait..................... You are easily distracted and I can't imagine anyone calling that "fun." But, if it floats your boat... There is a rather large population of people that consider your very example extremely entertaining. Slot machines are very real things. And there are a great many people in the world that spend time on slot machines. And yes, I am easily distracted...from the slot machine. Which is why I only play a couple of times as I stop by my stronghold before going off to something else. Like I said, I enjoy having it as a little mini game. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Except real slots have a higher ROI rate to keep people playing No they don't. The house always wins. The only true return on investment you get (unless you luck out with a progressive or bonus) is entertainment. And in that scenario, I personally find real slots as equaly entertaining as the in game one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 No they don't. The house always wins. The only true return on investment you get (unless you luck out with a progressive or bonus) is entertainment. And in that scenario, I personally find real slots as equaly entertaining as the in game one. Ah, but you get free booze when playing slots. Incentive. Carrots on sticks. What we get now on these post nerf slots are carrots, but they're up our rears, not dangled in sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) No they don't. The house always wins. The only true return on investment you get (unless you luck out with a progressive or bonus) is entertainment. And in that scenario, I personally find real slots as equaly entertaining as the in game one. True. But real-world slots lack excitement. Particularly the modern ones where win money goes into a digital counter to keep you pushing the "go" button. I rarely see anyone smiling while playing the slots. On the other hand, Craps can be a real hoot, especially when someone gets a decent run and everyone (but the <bleep> on Don't Pass) are all winning against the house together. Edited January 22, 2015 by Khevar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reble-Dog-Squad Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can some please explain to me what the Contraband Slot Machine need to be nerfed in the first place. If you have the Credits to sink into the Slot Machine then and get a good amount of rewards then whats wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthVengeant Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I honestly feel bad for all the people who bought piles of cartel packs or spent millions to get one of these. The nerf is a slap in the face to the MAJORITY of the SWTOR population who actually enjoyed the slot machine. We finally get this one fun thing, and it get's taken away. A FEW cry babies came to the forums and threw tantrums because they didn't want other people getting stuff they sold on the GTN from the slot machine. Cry me a freakin river. They didn't like people being able to craft and be self sufficient. Cry me a freakin river. These self centered people who only care about making piles of fake money in a video game and forcing everyone else to do THEIR bidding, INSTEAD OF HAVING FUN and minding your own business!. You RUINED everyone else's FUN. Yes, the slot machine was actually fun. But, not now. You must enjoy looking in the mirror every night knowing you screwed up an entire happy populace of a video game because you FEW loud mouths wanted to be cry babies. Bioware needs to get their priorities straight, because this is one huge pile of hogwash. You tantrum throwers didn't deserve even a response, yet Bioware caved and gave a minority populace of the game a nerf that NO ONE ELSE WANTED. Yes, the MAJORITY of the populace of this game ENJOYED THE SLOT MACHINE AS IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!! Frankly, this entire thing disgusts me. I get pissed off even talking about it. I am sick of these know it all "only my way is right" type of "gamers" ruining gaming for everyone else. Edited January 22, 2015 by DarthVengeant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ah, but you get free booze when playing slots. Incentive. Carrots on sticks. What we get now on these post nerf slots are carrots, but they're up our rears, not dangled in sticks. You get free booze in Vegas. I only get free soda at casinos in my neck of the woods. I know, it's sad. But more to the point, incentive is still there. It's just not happening as often. But prior to this machine, I only got cartel certs by spending real money on packs...or someone at least spending real money on packs. Now however, I can get certs for fake credits that no longer involves real money. I see no issue. Drop rate was crazy high. Now it's not. But it's still something I couldn't get before this easily (easily = no real money being spent by me or someone else in this scenario) Hell, if they weren't bound, you could have the stack of certs I have. It's not like I can't get more. And it's not like there is anything game breaking, at least for me, available for the certs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaybeeChenjesu Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't have to reiterate what has been said here.We. all know this was another knee jerk reaction on the part of BW and should be corrected. What I will say is that several of my guildies have come to me today to say they are not renewing their subs when they come up. The reason? Well the slot machine was the catalyst but that's not the whole story. BW has run this game into the ground. Exploits get fixed, but hey.. the ops are still broken. FFS the list of know issues hasn't been updated for months. It's still dated September. The comms have been nerfed so there's no reason to run the ops anymore. Endgame content is now almost non-existent and what there is is mostly full of bugs. This business with the slot machine was such an outright money grab that I don't know how you (BW) can look at yourselves in the mirror. Why does everything have to be done on the fly. You have a problem, take the problem offline and fix it. You left the Ravagers exploit running for 6 weeks. maybe more. Why didn't you just nerf the loot drop until you could fix it? You came back from a long weekend, looked at the slots and said.... oooo we have to fix this.Lets not think about it for more than 5 minutes because that makes our heads hurt. Let's just nerf it to the point of death. Did you not see the repercussions when you released the machine? We did. We all sold our purple mats the night before. How could you not know what was going to happen? Did you not see the repercussions when you "fixed" the machine? Jesus don't you people apply laws of logic to your thoughts? The game is hurting and you are kicking it in the groin. Not cool, not smart, not profitable and most of all not something I want to be a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You get free booze in Vegas. I only get free soda at casinos in my neck of the woods. I know, it's sad. But more to the point, incentive is still there. It's just not happening as often. But prior to this machine, I only got cartel certs by spending real money on packs...or someone at least spending real money on packs. Now however, I can get certs for fake credits that no longer involves real money. I see no issue. Drop rate was crazy high. Now it's not. But it's still something I couldn't get before this easily (easily = no real money being spent by me or someone else in this scenario) Hell, if they weren't bound, you could have the stack of certs I have. It's not like I can't get more. And it's not like there is anything game breaking, at least for me, available for the certs. I don't need the certs - Im one of the idiots that buys hypercrates regularly, so I have tons of certs. This is not the point. It's that they nerfed the slots so bad that they don't even drop anymore. In over 700 coins, not ONE single cert dropped? Not one? C'mon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't need the certs - Im one of the idiots that buys hypercrates regularly, so I have tons of certs. This is not the point. It's that they nerfed the slots so bad that they don't even drop anymore. In over 700 coins, not ONE single cert dropped? Not one? C'mon now. As I said, I personally don't seem to have an issue. I'm not saying the drop rate wasn't reduced, I'm saying certs for credits that can be aquired stupid easy is still better than just getting them from packs. But that's just me I guess. On a personal note, I don't think buy packs makes you an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I can make profit off of packs, so - getting certs via packs is a billion times better in every regard. Trying to get them from slots is literally like tossing away credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfyde Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 No they don't. The house always wins. The only true return on investment you get (unless you luck out with a progressive or bonus) is entertainment. And in that scenario, I personally find real slots as equaly entertaining as the in game one. Yes they do. Look it up, it's easy to find through google. Casinos around the world (you know, who have decades of experience, data and research on operating slot machines and probably know a little more about it than a random BW dev throwing his d10 dice to determine rates ) operate their machines at a return rate around 90% because that's where they know the sweet spot to be for both parties; maximizing their personal profit and the fun&satisfaction for the players to keep them playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Yes they do. Look it up, it's easy to find through google. Casinos around the world (you know, who have decades of experience, data and research on operating slot machines and probably know a little more about it than a random BW dev throwing his d10 dice to determine rates ) operate their machines at a return rate around 90% because that's where they know the sweet spot to be for both parties; maximizing their personal profit and the fun&satisfaction for the players to keep them playing. You are correct. Of course the machine have to pay out from time to time. Those progressives that people get and the bonuses that I mentioned. However what the best machines do, is play with you. You'll lose a little, then win a little, and so on and so forth until eventually you lose the money you were playing with, or decide to quit while you're even. Most, not all, but most slot players break even, or lose. Those crazy slots are nice income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 But more to the point, incentive is still there. It's just not happening as often. But prior to this machine, I only got cartel certs by spending real money on packs...or someone at least spending real money on packs. Now however, I can get certs for fake credits that no longer involves real money. Someone bought that slot machine using real money at some point, so yes, it does involve real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurdensWrath Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't need the certs - Im one of the idiots that buys hypercrates regularly, so I have tons of certs. This is not the point. It's that they nerfed the slots so bad that they don't even drop anymore. In over 700 coins, not ONE single cert dropped? Not one? C'mon now. Do all packs have certs, or just some? Do any of the packs have a guaranteed cert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Someone bought that slot machine using real money at some point, so yes, it does involve real money. Technically they bought they pack for real money with a chance of the slot machine. Buying the pack you know full well what you are getting..a chance at items. And that means it DID involve real money. Not Does. Past tense. But again, the purchase was for the pack. What we want from the packs is irrelevant as far as the cash/goods transaction is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Do all packs have certs, or just some? Do any of the packs have a guaranteed cert? A chance. Like all the pack items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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