MusicRider Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes if they don't use any cc, knockback, stuns, or run away sure they can be killed easily, however thats never the case! If a Sorcerer want to live they will get away, and wait out cd's and come back and beat you because they have to much utility. Yes you have made us aware that you can't beat not a sorc as a post 3.0 operative but also not even your shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicRider Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes let's remove bastion and bring sorcs to number 1 target in arenas again. We all have missed that. How about all classes drop all their dcds, wear light armour and have one escape in a 3min cd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroyoshi Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) bastion doesnt need to be completely removed it just needs to be nerfed because it absorbs too much damage sorcs were meant to be focused thats why lightning and madness have such high mobility now Edited January 15, 2015 by nitroyoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace_boogie Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 sorcs were meant to be focused Where in the Bible is that **** written? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azurestone Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Where in the Bible is that **** written? Good one 10/10 Edited January 15, 2015 by Azurestone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Nala Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 bastion doesnt need to be completely removed it just needs to be nerfed because it absorbs too much damage sorcs were meant to be focused thats why lightning and madness have such high mobility now Rare bit of honesty here. People want free kills. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saikochoro Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Pretty sure mercs would still be the first target without bastion. You still have an anti focus button with barrier whereas mercs do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicRider Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure mercs would still be the first target without bastion. You still have an anti focus button with barrier whereas mercs do not. Pretty sure you haven't played arenas since s01 then. EDIT: Think of your underpowered sin being without any dcds and phase walk on a 3min cd Edited January 15, 2015 by MusicRider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Nala Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Pretty sure mercs would still be the first target without bastion. You still have an anti focus button with barrier whereas mercs do not. Pretty sure you don't know what it was like before Enduring Bastion. Barrier was just delaying the inevitable. You all just plain out are ignoring that there were very good reasons it was added in the first place. To wit, Barrier wasn't doing what the devs intended. This is why I just shake my head when people complain about this or Focused Defense or Vanish or GBTF in the old days. These powers were designed purely to save a player from being focused. And the main complaint has always been that they do exactly what they are designed to do. The devs need to unnerf GBTF/UR and give Troopers/Bounty Hunters a comparable escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicRider Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 bastion doesnt need to be completely removed it just needs to be nerfed because it absorbs too much damage sorcs were meant to be focused thats why lightning and madness have such high mobility now Why would you hit a sorc during bastion instead of ccing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitroyoshi Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Where in the Bible is that **** written? yes the ranged casting light armor class bioware created was not designed to be focus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringray Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 If you have 3 ppl on a dps sorc and can't kill it you are 100 percent bad.players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_drew Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 TL;DR I think the 'issue' people have is simply seeing the numbers on the chart and think its absurd. But the chart really doesn't mean squat in many cases, and spreading dots or FS spam is simply fluff damage that is easily healed through. Whenever I have crazy numbers on my sorc alt, it's usually a voidstar where I got to cast FS repeatedly on a door against clumped targets, usually not killing any of them because of the scoundrel or mando healers are healing through the damage easily. I can get the same result on my sniper if I spam suppressive fire under similar conditions, and no one says I'm broken. I often find in these cases, there is usually an opposing healer(s) who have nearly healed out all the damage I did, and we still wind up losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zadtro Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) If you have 3 ppl on a dps sorc and can't kill it you are 100 percent bad.players. When it is 3 of them sitting together and following each other around healing and bubbling with focused heals you can maybe get 1 down. Edited January 16, 2015 by Zadtro typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stringray Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 When it is 3 of them off sitting together and following each other around healing and bubbling with focused heals you can maybe get 1 down. That is 3 v 3 not 3 v 1 as stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skot- Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I really do think people are over reacting. The same happened to concealment and they were nerfed into the ground. I hate seeing that happen when it's really not needed. Once you focus a sorc they die fairly quick. My conclusion is if you can't kill them your under geared or not very good at pvp or perhaps both. Sorcerers I think are balanced. Yes they top damage on more occasions but to balance that they die fairly fast. If you must wave a nerf bat, surely hatred assassins and pt ap need a look at? they top damage and and are a lot more durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Fenny Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Bioware you need to address some class balance issues badly. Sorcs are just flat out absurd right now. Surely you can see the game metrics and know how stupidly overpowered sorcs are right now. I've consistently seen match after match of sorcs doing 1.2+mill damage and 350+k healing. Bubbles need a cool down and healing needs to be needed. No other class is capable of this. Also their ability that makes them immune to everything and can't be interrupted. One on one they are almost unkillable. Seriously, it's just dumb at this point. This has to be the crazyest post I have even seen when PT Merc Mar and Juggs can hit for 15k in a single attack and you want to ***** about a sorcs. Oh and I seen a sniper in ranked hit for 19k against a sorcs. Hardest hit I have got so far on my sorc is 8k and I am 3 enhancement away from being fully min max so how is a sniper single target hits almost 3x harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotorCityMan Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I think the OP mistook a sin for a sorc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanchito Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) I really do think people are over reacting. The same happened to concealment and they were nerfed into the ground. I hate seeing that happen when it's really not needed. Once you focus a sorc they die fairly quick. My conclusion is if you can't kill them your under geared or not very good at pvp or perhaps both. Sorcerers I think are balanced. Yes they top damage on more occasions but to balance that they die fairly fast. If you must wave a nerf bat, surely hatred assassins and pt ap need a look at? they top damage and and are a lot more durable. i agree mostly, but then force storm is obviously too strong atm and should be fixed as soon as possible. If there is even a chance i can hit 2 people, i'm kinda forced to use force storm over anything else i have, and it's boring and overpowered. imho Edited January 16, 2015 by sanchito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zadtro Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I really do think people are over reacting. The same happened to concealment and they were nerfed into the ground. I hate seeing that happen when it's really not needed. Once you focus a sorc they die fairly quick. My conclusion is if you can't kill them your under geared or not very good at pvp or perhaps both. Sorcerers I think are balanced. Yes they top damage on more occasions but to balance that they die fairly fast. If you must wave a nerf bat, surely hatred assassins and pt ap need a look at? they top damage and and are a lot more durable. Do you happen to main a sorc? I agree that PT & sin need a bit of a nerf but that doesn't take the attention away from sorcs needing it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skot- Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Do you happen to main a sorc? I agree that PT & sin need a bit of a nerf but that doesn't take the attention away from sorcs needing it too. Nope. I main a concealment op. I have got a powertech though. I ran pyro prior to 3.0 and loved it. Tried new ap and hated it. It really is easy mode now. My powertech is shelved until some changed are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazz_Devlin Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Heck the bubble needs to go. Whole purpose was because they lacked mobility which they now have, no reason to have bubble now. Just a free stun break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazz_Devlin Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 The game is just as balanced as it could be, there are no OP classes every class has its weakness as does its strengths, what people don't understand is this is a team oriented game especially in PvP. All they did was give the Sorc/Sage survivability Too much IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotsanerv Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 As a sage/sorc, I hate Vig Guardian, VG and Serenity Shadow. If you want to pressure a sage/sorc role one of the these or their imp equivalent. Always QQing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zadtro Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 As a sage/sorc, I hate Vig Guardian, VG and Serenity Shadow. If you want to pressure a sage/sorc role one of the these or their imp equivalent. Always QQing. You have a good point Focus guardian can deal 20k quickly and that will give someone something to think about xD I wouldn't say the are OP at the moment, i honestly recommend a PT/VG because the cannon is just awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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