DariusCalera Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 With no com caps, they would release new gear, and within 6 hours every die hard player would have top tier. I only say 6 hours because not everyone is going to log in right at launch. It would only take 10-15 minutes to select all of the gear you need to min max your stuff. Comm caps prevent you from being able to buy all the new gear right out the gate. Without them, their would be no grind. No grind means no progression, no progression means less people playing, less people playing is bad. Actually, the grind is still there. Whether you bank weapons and mounts, if there is no comms cap, or if you just wait until 3.0 hits, you are still PvPing and earning those comms. The only thing that changes is when you spend the comms. Either immediately because you ran into the cap at which point you could be spending them on items that range from useful (medpacks), to totally useless (stronghold decorations) for PvP or later by banking weapons and speeders to get around the cap. In either case, you still have to play "X" number of games to get what you want. The same number of games for gear before the patch and after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haystak Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) EDIT: Removed... just read what I wrote. I cant seem to put together a full sentence today, I will attempt when less stupid. Edited November 19, 2014 by Haystak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBoba Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) The cap is necessary, unfortunately. Hardcore players immediately getting the new top tier gear and jumping straight into ranked - no problem. Hardcore players immediately getting the new top tier gear and massacring regs in premades - big problem. It's not just a grind, it's a small gate to prevent warzones becoming impossible for the general player (you know, like GSF; or kinda like what conquests have done to warzones for serious pvp pugs ). If all the top geared players and most experienced players played ranked, there'd be no problem. But that's not how the pvp community behaves. Besides always looking for the cheapest of all options, BW does look for the lesser of all evils. Edited November 19, 2014 by PBoba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glower Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hardcore players immediately getting the new top tier gear and massacring regs in premades - big problem. So 1-2 weeks buffer will save the world? Cmon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezMoney Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Actually, the grind is still there. Whether you bank weapons and mounts, if there is no comms cap, or if you just wait until 3.0 hits, you are still PvPing and earning those comms. The only thing that changes is when you spend the comms. Either immediately because you ran into the cap at which point you could be spending them on items that range from useful (medpacks), to totally useless (stronghold decorations) for PvP or later by banking weapons and speeders to get around the cap. In either case, you still have to play "X" number of games to get what you want. The same number of games for gear before the patch and after. You know comms exist for PVE players too right? It's not all about PVP folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 If they wanted a time gate, they could just make it to where you cannot buy a second item while the timer for refund is counting down. This way, you could keep earning all the comms you wanted, and not be able to do the weapon swap trick, but then you wouldn't have to because you wouldn't have the cap. Not what I would want personally; as I love to do the weapon swap trick and it really would hinder me, except for where I have multiple characters with legacy gear, which would wind up being the new loophole to get around the gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 So 1-2 weeks buffer will save the world? Cmon... Yeah, I don't get this as well. If it's just an attempt to feign parity then just remove the caps or increase them significantly. Like to FF FF.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DariusCalera Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You know comms exist for PVE players too right? It's not all about PVP folks With the PvE comms, the limit is being artificially increased to deal with the upcoming excess when everything is turned basic comms. So if the limit remains 1,000 basic comms, big "if since no one knows what the cap will be, and I have that maxed, when I gain basic comms from the conversion of all the other comm that limit will be temporarily increased. PvP players do not have this option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBoba Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 So 1-2 weeks buffer will save the world? Cmon... Lesser evil, as I said. Some will stack weapons. Some will spend 8hrs a day gaming and get their min/max in 2 weeks. The rest...? But isn't my main point right? If min-maxed pro-beasts all played ranked, there'd be no need for comm caps. Why min-max pros don't play ranked (now, and pre 2.0) is a whole other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezMoney Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) With the PvE comms, the limit is being artificially increased to deal with the upcoming excess when everything is turned basic comms. So if the limit remains 1,000 basic comms, big "if since no one knows what the cap will be, and I have that maxed, when I gain basic comms from the conversion of all the other comm that limit will be temporarily increased. PvP players do not have this option. You're missing the important piece, the elite and ultimate coms (the ones that gives you ACTUAL OP gear) are reset, and there is no way to refund armor to get more. Elite is the operation equivalent to wz coms, not basics. Also you're creating a false equivalency. There is no pvp com conversion in 3.0. If your ranked coms were being converted to reg coms, but the limit remained 2750, you'd have a point. Edited November 20, 2014 by TezMoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ld-Siris Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 With the PvE comms, the limit is being artificially increased to deal with the upcoming excess when everything is turned basic comms. So if the limit remains 1,000 basic comms, big "if since no one knows what the cap will be, and I have that maxed, when I gain basic comms from the conversion of all the other comm that limit will be temporarily increased. PvP players do not have this option. Apparently that cap wouldn't even matter. When they covered all the planet comms to A planet comm, all my characters had 200 comms even though the cap was 100. It literally said 200/100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulgarMercurius Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 You know comms exist for PVE players too right? It's not all about PVP folks You came to the pvp forum and posted in a pvp thread about how pve exists too? What the flying ---- is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 With the PvE comms, the limit is being artificially increased to deal with the upcoming excess when everything is turned basic comms. So if the limit remains 1,000 basic comms, big "if since no one knows what the cap will be, and I have that maxed, when I gain basic comms from the conversion of all the other comm that limit will be temporarily increased. PvP players do not have this option. Well, if they took away ranked comms and converted them into regular comms for 3.0, they would do the exact same thing in giving you a higher cap in 3.0 until you spend your comms. Then the cap would return to normal. So, I don't really understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezMoney Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) You came to the pvp forum and posted in a pvp thread about how pve exists too? What the flying ---- is your point? Did you even read the post I was replying to? People are coming at this like the dev's care about pvp com banking... they don't! That this decision wasn't made just to spite pvp players banking coms. In fact, I believe it was completely targeted at PVE OPs players so they couldn't get a head start on their gear grind, and the effect on pvp players was a secondary. Edited November 20, 2014 by TezMoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Did you even read the post I was replying to? People are coming at this like the dev's care about pvp com banking... they don't! That this decision wasn't made just to spite pvp players banking coms. In fact, I believe it was completely targeted at PVE OPs players so they couldn't get a head start on their gear grind, and the effect on pvp players was a secondary. This is extremely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Beers Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 The cap is necessary, unfortunately. Hardcore players immediately getting the new top tier gear and massacring regs in premades - big problem. This will happen no matter what. Whether it's the day 3.0 drops or 2 weeks after does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluvi Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 They wanted to make PvP skill based, not gear based, and yet they still use the "dangle the carrot in front of the pvper" using gear as rewards for the effort. It's just dumb imo. You should be able to buy PvP Armoring / Mods / Enhancements / hilts / etc from a vendor for 1 credit each, and they sell for that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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