frostyjonnyd Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Sooo are we not gonna balance starfighter pvp? Or is this just gonna be the team that has the best upgrades wins?? I roll and alt and cant event dent someone with mid upgrades....Come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMyMa Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Sooo are we not gonna balance starfighter pvp? Or is this just gonna be the team that has the best upgrades wins?? I roll and alt and cant event dent someone with mid upgrades....Come on First off: This is the wrong subforum. Second off: You might need to rethink something if you fail to kill someone with mid upgrades in a stock-like ship - skill trumps a lot in GSF. Third off: Equality is NOT needed in SWToR at all - it's nice to have something to aim for, instead of just having the best gear once your enter PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkarabats Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 GSF is the most balanced pvp the game has. you can start GSF at lvl 1 and upgrade your ship through out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyjonnyd Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 First off: It wasn't one on one. 2 players rocked my whole team. They just played around until we needed 100 points to win then 3 caped us. And sure I would just chalk it up to the team make up and being un organized but this is not the first time this has happen with these two players and actually other groups of players as well. And multiple players couldn't touch them. The upgrade gap from first upgrade and last upgrade in GSF should be narrowed. And to your 3rd point: Swtor has never really done a good job as balancing pvp since release. PvP advancement or progression for lack of a better word should be in the form of gear cosmetics or titles and such. AT least in the random BG ques. You want to stat increases in ranked that's a whole new animal. But in random bgs (at lvl 55) we should all have equality stats and it should depend on skill and team work, not who has played longer and has better gear. And to bring that back to GSF the point I was trying to make was that if with my lvl 1 alt is goin to be paired up with a lvl 35 guy/gal that has been playin GSF for a long time, there (in my opinion) needs to be a smaller gap in the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyjonnyd Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 @nkarabats balanced? Lets take u lvl 1 starfighter against any other ship with upgrades.....Then tell me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkarabats Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I have won with un-upgraded ships before. there are no special abilities other then what is purchased as you get comms. Unlike PVP where a lvl 50 has more abilities then a lvl 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostyjonnyd Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 Touche. Yes I have won before in said unupgraded ships. But I have also lost to 1 or 2 maxed ships because they wreck everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suryi Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Proof that skill > upgrades http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=755330&highlight=stock Aces flying in 0 upgrades ship, pulling ahead of people with upgraded (and potentially mastered) ships. Not saying that upgrades don't matter, but once you understand GSF you can stand your ground in most circumstances. Edited August 29, 2014 by Suryi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuciwalker Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 @nkarabats balanced? Lets take u lvl 1 starfighter against any other ship with upgrades.....Then tell me that. Literally just last night I started on a stock ship with ZERO changes on a new character and went 11-0 against upgraded opponents. So yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fractalsponge Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Aces flying new toons in stock ships have topped 100k damage before against geared teams. I dunno, maybe this is because they have hundreds of games under their belt? There are real sharks playing GSF, with *thousands* of games under their belt. Gear or not, they're going to get you. It requires a certain amount of practice for anyone to get really good. The learning curve is not comparable to PVE or PVP, where you have an entire leveling process to "safely" learn your toon, build, rotation, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatSatan Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 GSF rewards skill to a tremendous degree. If you're getting stomped repeatedly it ain't the ship, it's you. Lousy team work can also bite you in the arse, as even a great pilot can be on a really bad team and lose. I've gone 19/17/0 with 4 bases captured solo in a Dominion game and still lost because my team couldn't hold anything. If you keep losing because your team stinks, find some other good pilots and queue as a group. But it's probably not just your team. You probably stink. My advice is to read the guides on this forum and to not be so quick to assume that you couldn't possibly get owned so hard in a game that was balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuciwalker Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Were you queuing on JM the other night? You were annoying. (I was alting on Aeia/Alessiya.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatSatan Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Me? Nah, I only play on the Bastion currently. ...However if there is another Strix flying around out there, I must find and devour this imposter at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin_Kelvar Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 not to say that there isn't still a lot of stuff that needs tweaking but GSF has come a very long way from it's initial release. Now there was a time where gear could truly trump skill (I'm looking at you early access DField). Gear still helps but now it's no longer a clear cut case of gear being able to nullify skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrixHiraeth Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) I am the other Strix. I liked our fights, Alessiya Name has nothing to do with you, Strix of the Bastion. It's just a coincidence. The phrase Tidehollow Strix mean anything to you by chance? My two cents: upgrades mean just as much as skill for anyone who doesn't play GSF all the time, or average pilots. I say this because when I reached a certain point of upgrades on my T2 scout it made a world of difference. I am an average pilot, but as you can see I am capable of annoying people. Edited August 30, 2014 by Ymris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatSatan Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) I am the other Strix. I liked our fights, Alessiya Name has nothing to do with you, Strix of the Bastion. It's just a coincidence. The phrase Tidehollow Strix mean anything to you by chance? My two cents: upgrades mean just as much as skill for anyone who doesn't play GSF all the time, or average pilots. I say this because when I reached a certain point of upgrades on my T2 scout it made a world of difference. I am an average pilot, but as you can see I am capable of annoying people. Well, well, well, another Strix. Because of the excellent choice of purple text in your signature, i will refrain from eating you. I wasn't familiar with that MTG card, however. My name comes from this. . Nocturnal aerial apex preditor, etc. etc (Plus I just like birds ^_~) Edited August 30, 2014 by TheGreatSatan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrixHiraeth Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Yes!!! it was for similar reasons I chose the name for my character. I didn't know about the genus though, I thought Strix was an abbreviation of Strigidae or something. Nice. Do not worry, I won't sully our good name. When I dive in, all the boys switch target to me, but they can't kill me! Edit: purple color is best color. Edited August 30, 2014 by Ymris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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