DwaneDibbley Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Torhead's damage values aren't accurate, unless they've updated them since release. I know, but both spells has same pattern to calculate dmg. + this is about showing that sorc=sage, ppl tends to believe they has different spells, while they are same with different animations. Sorc stun has huge lightning and electric discharges on target during stun, while sages stun is hardly noticable at all, but effect is same. Edited December 24, 2011 by DwaneDibbley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csward Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Where do you get the idea that all these Sorcerer abilities are instant cast? There's only one ability that's instant, and that's Shock, and it's on a cooldown. The only other possibility is when you crit on Affliction and you get a proc that let's you instant cast Chain Lightning once. You're proving that you have no idea what you're talking about every time you speak.... You're also practically saying every class but yours needs a nerf. You do realize that makes you sound like a complete noob, right? Oh, and the IA who can hit you for 4k and who can apply a long duration stun at range on instant cast isn't OP... but the Sorc who has an equivalent duration CC on a 3 second cast and otherwise the same CC abilities but about half the damage, that's the class that's OP. Right. I'm not saying that the IA is OP... but the reasons you people are giving for the Sorcerer being OP aren't even true. They apply more to the IA. My point here is that the IA is just about the most underplayed class in the game, and the SI is probably the most overplayed. You see more of them, so you're more likely to be killed by one. But with your reasoning for why it's OP, there's no reason you shouldn't be complaining about IA instead. The fact that you aren't just proves your ignorant bias. You need to go play a Sorcerer... now. At the very least, go do some serious research on both the ability list and the skill trees. If you're going to claim something is OP, at least have a fundamental understanding of the class mechanics. You should be able to say what abilities are OP and why... not just "omg sorcerer kills me in pvp nerf it!!!" You need to realize that this game, like any MMO, has a rock paper scissors type balance in PvP. On my Sorcerer, I will own a warrior every time I'm a fair fight... but an Assassin/Shadow will own me. When I play my Shadow, I destroy Sorcerers... but a BH will stomp me. That's just the way it is. Maybe if I didn't know any better and all I played was my Shadow, I would be crying for a BH nerf. But any good PvPer understands that his class isn't equipped to take on every other class 1v1. If you don't think that's fair, you probably shouldn't ever play another MMO again... ever. This is the way it's always been, and always will be... and guess what... it's fair. See my signature is what it is because of thinking like yours. There's a talent in the Balance tree that gives your telekinetic throw a 30% chance per tick to make your next spell with a cast time instant cast AND deal 20% more damage. I just got it on my Sage, so I have yet to test it out. It sounds very strong, especially considering all the other great improvements you get to telekinetic throw. Edited December 24, 2011 by csward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISGG Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Im currently a lvl 50 consular. Have you considered picking an advanced class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalDreamz Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 OP You mention how your previous post was locked due to trolling. Then the remainder of your post comes off as a complete troll post. Hmmmmm wonder where this one will end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRISGG Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Really wow. I'm amazed at the OP. Judging from his typing and having dealt with many like him before he's definitely not trolling. Wow. Edited December 24, 2011 by CHRISGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macabrae Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 [quote=Allmightyprom;704982 other classes dont touch me...just inquisitors. LMAO This is the very classic statement of "Nerf Rock Paper is fine....sincerely, Scissors" if I ever saw one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThndrMge Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 exactly. consular gets telekinetic throw which ticks for about 500 or something low like that, you get force lightning which ticks for 2k per tick...thats super unbalanced. I read this and laughed, hard. Gear for willpower and power then, stop crying that other people play your class better than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastersix Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Its not that any class is "OP" its just that those are the most played classes, hell on my server , in war zones we almost go against 70% Sith Inquisitors... its just the fact that so many people play them... swtor's huntard so to speak... side not: a fix to every ones problems could be within the resolve bar... i find it pretty random because some cc's fill the bar completely instantaneously then some barely even 1/4 Edited December 24, 2011 by Mastersix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwaneDibbley Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Never seen dot/channel ability tick over 1k crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwaneDibbley Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Its not that any class is "OP" its just that those are the most played classes, hell on my server , in war zones we almost go against 70% Sith Inquisitors... its just the fact that so many people play them... swtor's huntard so to speak... side not: a fix to every ones problems could be within the resolve bar... i find it pretty random because some cc's fill the bar completely instantaneously then some barely even 1/4 Resolve bar is atm rly worthless, u die in stuns with resolve hardly half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah_Kerrigan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 You are wrong. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Well... There is a thing I heard that Force Lightning is Elemental (my trooper only has 7% resistance to Elemental attacks) while Sages' telekinesis is kinetic (being subject to resistance from armor, my trooper's being 45%). Just a rumor, I haven't checked it myself. Lie. Both have the same mitigation. This has already been confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah_Kerrigan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Dont say things like this, they will call you a troll. They'd miss the fact that I'm right, if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennybum Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Ok since the last thread got locked for people trolling and stuff, lets make a new thread regarding how OP and unbalanced sith inquisitors are. Im currently a lvl 50 consular, and get hit by a sith inquistor that is 20 lvls below me for 3-4k several times in quick succession. i have 6 pieces of lvl 50 epic pvp gear and still get torched in seconds by this class. other classes dont touch me...just inquisitors. They fling around lightning like no tommorow with no CD it seems. PvP games are now simply about how few seconds the 5 inquisitors on the opposite team take to stun lock and kill you. Please keep this thread civil and on topic or posts will be reported. LOL op please stop i have an inquisitor/assasin and yes they can hit hard, but so cant every other class out there snipers & bountyhunters hit alot harder than inquisitors! But stop the sillyness you cant expect one class to own every other in any mmo, teamwork and good groups wins warfronts not inquisitors. Dont yell for a nerf in classes because you chose a class/advanced class with too few CC's This game is actualy the most balanced mmo i have ever tried regarding pvp so please just learn to play or reroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narvakhan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Never post in the middle of nerd rage ... just saying You know to understand the relationship better, I made a consular and then turned him into a sage, then ran him as a healer for a bit, only to switch to dps. I was easily healing 100K +. When DPS I easily did 100k +. Each was right in line with others of the same class (either side). I didn't see a problem. I worked with my cc abilities and learned while I could really pour out damage and healing (could do both extremely effectively) at will, but man was I squishy. I purposely went against my own class version (I actually play a Jedi Knight Guardian tank) to see what I could do and then learn what I could do against them. I never once felt the inquisitor was stronger, I recognized immediately they had a cooler graphic, that is where difference is. I didn't find healing or damage the problem and in the end I didn't find the CC a problem as if I didn't cc, I was dead adn dead very very quickly. OP I simply ask that you pick a different class and understand a bit more about the game. In fact I challange you to play something like the Sith Warrior (tank) or Jedi Knight (tank) and then lets see your posts when you realize what broken feels like because I promise you its not Inquisitor vs Consular Keep your heads up Warriors and Knights... put out that protection baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's funny but when I pvp, people scream to nerf sorcerers but it's because there are 6 of us and lightning flying all around so a lot of it is people getting nailed by several of them at once. Then when the match is over, I see smugglers and bounty hunters in the top brackets for damage and kills. Go figure. This is a case of what appears to be rather than what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Never post in the middle of nerd rage ... just saying You know to understand the relationship better, I made a consular and then turned him into a sage, then ran him as a healer for a bit, only to switch to dps. I was easily healing 100K +. When DPS I easily did 100k +. Each was right in line with others of the same class (either side). I didn't see a problem. I worked with my cc abilities and learned while I could really pour out damage and healing (could do both extremely effectively) at will, but man was I squishy. I purposely went against my own class version (I actually play a Jedi Knight Guardian tank) to see what I could do and then learn what I could do against them. I never once felt the inquisitor was stronger, I recognized immediately they had a cooler graphic, that is where difference is. I didn't find healing or damage the problem and in the end I didn't find the CC a problem as if I didn't cc, I was dead adn dead very very quickly. OP I simply ask that you pick a different class and understand a bit more about the game. In fact I challange you to play something like the Sith Warrior (tank) or Jedi Knight (tank) and then lets see your posts when yorealize what broken feels like because I promise you its not Inquisitor vs Consular Keep your heads up Warriors and Knights... put out that protection baby! Truth has no place in a forum of fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrott Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 exactly. consular gets telekinetic throw which ticks for about 500 or something low like that, you get force lightning which ticks for 2k per tick...thats super unbalanced. /this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethal_ghost Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) I can't tell if this guy is being serious or not? You are aware that the only difference between Sorc and Sage is the animation, and a slight delay due to travel time on Project. Telekinetic throw and Force lightning are exactly the same. How long before the morons that post this crap realise that. QFT empire get lightning, republic scum looks like they are firing poo at you. If you not hitting that hard maybe your stacking wrong stats with your gear Edited December 24, 2011 by lethal_ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwaneDibbley Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Show me screenshot of forcelighting criting over 1k. I seen like 880 crits max with expertise buff to light armor. Edited December 24, 2011 by DwaneDibbley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Quote: Originally Posted by Allmightyprom exactly. consular gets telekinetic throw which ticks for about 500 or something low like that, you get force lightning which ticks for 2k per tick...thats super unbalanced. /this....is not true /fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madgecko Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Show me screenshot of forcelighting criting over 1k. If it is a lvl 50 with good gear, then it is possible, but also should be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandal_Heart Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Nope. Sorry, but you're definitely wrong. Shock doesn't have a stun attached to it for any sorcerer spec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleDennis Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Guys, stop posting. OP is an idiot and doesn't realise his own class is an ALMOST EXACT match for the sorcerors he wants to nerf. He also seems to lack any basic understanding of empirical proof. Hopefully BW/Mythic doesn't listen to fools like this when they balance or we will reach a stage like WoW where balance is decided by the whine babies. Edited December 24, 2011 by UncleDennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwaneDibbley Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 If it is a lvl 50 with good gear, then it is possible, but also should be expected. ATM i dont think so. PvP gear lacks surge, while pve gear lack expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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