tunewalker Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 a solution. Oh how history repeats itself. Seriously though, I'm sure proper measures would be put in place to insure the disease doesn't spread beyond Taris. Zombies are great and all but they can't pilot ships through hyperspace. The plan they were talking about was zombies on board Imperial Starships. I dont know if you know about the past couple rackghoul events WITH the antidote having been discovered.... even now AFTER taris was destroyed... 1 getting off planet has far reaching reprecutions.... reprecutions SOME would not want to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) The plan they were talking about was zombies on board Imperial Starships. I dont know if you know about the past couple rackghoul events WITH the antidote having been discovered.... even now AFTER taris was destroyed... 1 getting off planet has far reaching reprecutions.... reprecutions SOME would not want to take.As I said, zombies, rakghouls etc. can't pilot ships. No infected will leave the system alive. Not that I'm saying everyone will be okay with this, but that last people who will be concerned are the guys who specialise in such outbreaks. I mean, just imagine how many of such outbreaks they engineered in the past. And yet they are still at it. The galaxy is a big place, I doubt they care about a a few billion deaths. Reminds me of a certain Edited July 16, 2014 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 As I said, zombies, rakghouls etc. can't pilot ships. No infected will leave the system alive. Not that I'm saying everyone will be okay with this, but that last people who will be concerned are the guys who specialise in such outbreaks. I mean, just imagine how many of such outbreaks they engineered in the past. And yet they are still at it. The galaxy is a big place, I doubt they care about a a few billion deaths. Reminds me of a certain If they arent leaving the planet, then they arent getting on enemy ships and they arent infecting enemy pilots as was suggested... the whole point is once again moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 If they arent leaving the planet, then they arent getting on enemy ships and they arent infecting enemy pilots as was suggested... the whole point is once again moot.I said no one will leave the system alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Another important factor are the ground/naval troops. As we see in the Death Trooper, stormtroopers can be turned, and will be turned. Now imagine a single dark trooper zombie Not to mention with the entire Uppercity infected, the IDD's troops will not be able to fight them/kill them, let alone move. To many people with crowd the way and while single zombies or small groups are easily dispatched, the horde is the problem. And with the planet at 6 billion, the IDD can have fun. The IDD don't need anyone manning the Dark Troopers, the Phase 2/3 could operate without someone inside. So....it would be smart considering the hazards that would be planet side. Plus the IDD doesn't really have access to regular troops anyway(except for naval officers, but those guys are in the navy not ground forces), unless I missed something. Edited July 16, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Is it bad that I already want this Kaggath to end so I can submit my new faction? I went with choice B because there was no Lightside in this Kaggath, but my god, my other faction was literally incredible. Anyway... Beni, the Vong ships had a terrible rate of fire, and every shot moved their vessel, I seriously have no idea why you're saying their fighter defenses are near Equal, the IDD's anti fighter Light cruisers would mop up the Vong ships with ease, the EoP has no counter to the Fighters possessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Is it bad that I already want this Kaggath to end so I can submit my new faction? I went with choice B because there was no Lightside in this Kaggath, but my god, my other faction was literally incredible. Anyway... Beni, the Vong ships had a terrible rate of fire, and every shot moved their vessel, I seriously have no idea why you're saying their fighter defenses are near Equal, the IDD's anti fighter Light cruisers would mop up the Vong ships with ease, the EoP has no counter to the Fighters possessed. Agreed. I feel that the fighter game is in the hands of the IDD. Oh, and it is bad that you want this Kaggath to end. Your faction hasn't even come up yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Agreed. I feel that the fighter game is in the hands of the IDD. Oh, and it is bad that you want this Kaggath to end. Your faction hasn't even come up yet! My faction this time Isn't going to go far IMO. My other one was so amazing, I just didn't want to do Dark Side again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Does the EoP even have any anti fighters without sacrificing its shielding, movement, or assault on the larger ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 My faction this time Isn't going to go far IMO. My other one was so amazing, I just didn't want to do Dark Side again I've seen your faction, it'll go pretty far. Not sure about mine, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Does the EoP even have any anti fighters without sacrificing its shielding, movement, or assault on the larger ships? I'm not sure. You think we found a weakness in the Vong tech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I've seen your faction, it'll go pretty far. Not sure about mine, though. Nah, my weakness is I made a mistake in my ground forces, You didn't do the same thing. You'll do way better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm not sure. You think we found a weakness in the Vong tech? I believe we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm not sure. You think we found a weakness in the Vong tech? Well...they seem to have a great concentrated defense/offense, but suffer when forced to attack/defend on more than a couple different spots... That, and since the larger ships only have huge guns, its like they only have Very Heavy Turbolasers instead of a mix. So perhaps too specialized depending on size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure. You think we found a weakness in the Vong tech? Well the Vong war was where the shadow bomb technique was created to increase the chances of torps hitting. But none of that was neccissary to taking down Vong ships..... Their Analogs... the Imp II, the Endurance... could match the ships they were the analogs for in armamanet and defenses, it was numbers and tactics that decided the battles as far as I have been able to tell... just like with every war. The Vong had the numbers the Galactic Alliance had the tactics. Edited July 17, 2014 by tunewalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nah, my weakness is I made a mistake in my ground forces, You didn't do the same thing. You'll do way better Yeah, I think I see your mistake (if the list you sent me is up-to-date for ground forces). Still, I think it'll do fine. I hope my faction does well. I have a few nasty tricks up my sleeve, so that'll be good to unveil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, I think I see your mistake (if the list you sent me is up-to-date for ground forces). Still, I think it'll do fine. I hope my faction does well. I have a few nasty tricks up my sleeve, so that'll be good to unveil. Well, I was happy until I got the numbers. But I can deal with it, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well...they seem to have a great concentrated defense/offense, but suffer when forced to attack/defend on more than a couple different spots... That, and since the larger ships only have huge guns, its like they only have Very Heavy Turbolasers instead of a mix. So perhaps too specialized depending on size? It seems that way. All that said, though, their weaponry is most effective against stationery targets, so you have to watch out for your capital ships. Still, exert your apparent fighter superiority! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well, I was happy until I got the numbers. But I can deal with it, I think. You have some good heads leading your faction, I think you're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) It seems that way. All that said, though, their weaponry is most effective against stationery targets, so you have to watch out for your capital ships. Still, exert your apparent fighter superiority! We should keep in mind that Trench is my Admiral, and the only notable feat brought up for Lomi Plo *PLEASE let her be the space commander as Warren seems to want!!!* is that she knows how to smuggle things aboard when they thought they were in peace, for a surprise attack during the war... No prep time, and no such advantage. Therefore, I believe Trench will be able to find someway to victory. One thing to note considering the Admiral, is that he studies his opponents, their past feats, their tendencies, and ect before, during, and after the battle. He is no slouch when it comes to studying his opposition. Something tells me this guy with his many eyes might just spot the fact that the larger ships defenses are concentrated when defending, and that every now and then a stray shot away from where it is being concentrated manages to get through. If he sees this during the battle, it is quite likely that he will act on it and flank the enemy vessels with his Superior numbers, as well as fighter compliment. If we are correct in our assumptions concerning concentrated fire vs spread fire on the Vong, then is likely that even the Legacy of Torment would not be immune. We may have found the silver bullet! Though, I still do wonder how well the point defenses *40 per Vindicator, of which I have 20* would do against the molten projectiles... Edited July 17, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 We should keep in mind that Trench is my Admiral, and the only notable feat brought up for Lomi Plo *PLEASE let her be the space commander as Warren seems to want!!!* is that she knows how to smuggle things aboard when they thought they were in peace, for a surprise attack during the war... No prep time, and no such advantage. Therefore, I believe Trench will be able to find someway to victory. One thing to note considering the Admiral, is that he studies his opponents, their past feats, their tendencies, and ect before, during, and after the battle. He is no slouch when it comes to studying his opposition. Something tells me this guy with his many eyes might just spot the fact that the larger ships defenses are concentrated when defending, and that every now and then a stray shot away from where it is being concentrated manages to get through. If he sees this during the battle, it is quite likely that he will act on it and flank the enemy vessels with his Superior numbers, as well as fighter compliment. If we are correct in our assumptions concerning concentrated fire vs spread fire on the Vong, then is likely that even the Legacy of Torment would not be immune. We may have found the silver bullet! Though, I still do wonder how well the point defenses *40 per Vindicator, of which I have 20* would do against the molten projectiles... As far as I remember about Lomi Plo is that she seems better with grand manipulations and schemes. Her in-combat decisions seem to indicate that she adapts to situations much like Qui-Gon Jinn or Mace Windu, so it's possible that, if she is leading the space forces, her tactical reasoning would be based around adapting to events as they happen. That's all theoretical, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren-Stride Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As for the whole Imperial Biological Weapons Division none of your leadership has any ties to it, I repeat none. It does not stop them from being used, but it does effect their loyalty. Lokin was from an entirely different empire, Gog was a rebel. It all meshes together, except fo the fact that the IMPERIAL Biological Weapons Division likely would NOT want to go against other imperial forces, when they have NO imperial allies. In their eyes it would be out right betrayl. Though, if you want to waste Lomi's time with sending her to Byss, which is half way across the galaxy, to keep them in line? Go ahead. This is so so wrong. Gog is an Imperial Scientist with DIRECT TIES to the Imperial Biological Weapons Division. Together, Gog and IBWD developed the Gobindi virus. Gog is an Imperial through and through who interacted with Darth Vader on an almost daily basis. Additionally, remember starting loyalty? Jerec's Empire is not the Empire they served, and they have no reason to be any more loyal to one Sith Empire than another. To these scientists, the fact that Jerec and his LIMITED number of Imperial biologicals are not working for the Empire they once served is betrayal. Not the other way around. And Lomi Plo wouldn't need to be sent to Byss. Joiners can be made by Lokin, and connection with the killik hive mind can be established via electromagnetic or electrical signals. Like communications that span the galaxy ever day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) This is so so wrong. Gog is an Imperial Scientist with DIRECT TIES to the Imperial Biological Weapons Division. Together, Gog and IBWD developed the Gobindi virus. Gog is an Imperial through and through who interacted with Darth Vader on an almost daily basis. Soon after I posted that, I realized the mistake. I had apparently confused him with someone else I had been researching. Additionally, remember starting loyalty? Jerec's Empire is not the Empire they served, and they have no reason to be any more loyal to one Sith Empire than another. To these scientists, the fact that Jerec and his LIMITED number of Imperial biologicals are not working for the Empire they once served is betrayal. Not the other way around. Wait wait wait...So...serving under a group that in no way at all resembles the Galactic Empire is not betrayal, but being a division of it is?* Hence Imperial Droid Division* What? And Lomi Plo wouldn't need to be sent to Byss. Joiners can be made by Lokin, and connection with the killik hive mind can be established via electromagnetic or electrical signals. Like communications that span the galaxy ever day. Fair enough. A few responses in gray above. Though, I do eagerly await more responses from you. I wish to know more of your force, that perhaps can not be found on the wiki's. Side Note: Good to note that even though the majority of the forces are droids, the IDD still has a lot more organic imperials than the EOP... even counting the scientists... Edited July 17, 2014 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren-Stride Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) We should keep in mind that Trench is my Admiral, and the only notable feat brought up for Lomi Plo *PLEASE let her be the space commander as Warren seems to want!!!* is that she knows how to smuggle things aboard when they thought they were in peace, for a surprise attack during the war... No prep time, and no such advantage. Therefore, I believe Trench will be able to find someway to victory.Lomi Plo can command the space battle very effective from the ground. Killik hive mind and she's the queen. One thing to note considering the Admiral, is that he studies his opponents, their past feats, their tendencies, and ect before, during, and after the battle. He is no slouch when it comes to studying his opposition. Something tells me this guy with his many eyes might just spot the fact that the larger ships defenses are concentrated when defending, and that every now and then a stray shot away from where it is being concentrated manages to get through. If he sees this during the battle, it is quite likely that he will act on it and flank the enemy vessels with his Superior numbers, as well as fighter compliment. If we are correct in our assumptions concerning concentrated fire vs spread fire on the Vong, then is likely that even the Legacy of Torment would not be immune. We may have found the silver bullet! Say what you will about Trench, but his feats don't add up to all the hype. Trench's first blockade over Malastare was easily broken by a un-noteworthy Jedi commander. In his second blockade, he did the obvious thing that all blockades are meant to do and cut off supplies to the planet. Then he allowed the Republic forces to escape because he was ordered to by a superior. Then he ordered a bombing run and battled a stealth ship (unsuccessfully). Then he was surprised by an unconventional tactic and died (but not really). None of that suggests to me that he was a stellar commander. Certainly not nearly of the caliber as the Aliiance/New Republic commanders that Lomi Plo's Dark Nest faced. He's not going to provide the IDD any edge. Edited July 17, 2014 by Warren-Stride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren-Stride Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Does the EoP even have any anti fighters without sacrificing its shielding, movement, or assault on the larger ships? The issue is, even if there's not counter-fighter on the scale of what the IDD has, the IDD fighters are not capable of doing any damage at all to the Vong ships. The majority of the IDD fighters have two light laser cannons. LIGHT laser cannons. Similarly, the main weapon on IDD capital ships are LIGHT turbolaser batteries. Think of it like this. You're trying to take down a tank. You can use 1000 bullets or 10 missiles. Which will do more damage? Obviously the missiles. No matter how many bullets you send at a tank, it will keep on comin'. The IDD has bullets. AiR has missiles. Yaret-kors are going to tear through shields and any ships in their way. But the light weaponry of the IDD is going to be basically non-consequential to the extremely durable yorik coral on the Vong ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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