Babajista Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Will it become useless? And what happened the last time the level capacity went up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries_cz Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Level will go up in November/December at the earliest most likely. And last time it happened with RotHC, the former gear was still perfectly suitable for operations. So it is not like random green drops replacing your hard earned ops gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 They are going to take it all away. You will login and your toon will be naked, and you will need to repurchase all of our gear from the cartel market. True story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Will it become useless? And what happened the last time the level capacity went up? the BIS gear became planetary coms worthy, and new items were added for crafting and a new set of progression gear became standard. so basically the 69s will be what oricon gives, 72 drop down to basic comms, 78's become craftable and available for elite coms. and the next level (probably 82) will be the new BIS. for the 78s new mats and schematics will be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loc_n_lol Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 If it's anything like RothC, basically: All level 55 flashpoints will start dropping oriconian gear. Classic comms will be converted to planetary comms, or a new kind of "classic classic comms" while ultimates, elite and basic comms will be converted into classic comms, allowing players to buy oriconian gear for minimal effort, or maybe even dread-forged. Dread master gear (the new nightmare gear) will remain available from nightmare operations only. Arkanian/Black-Market and Underworld/Verpine will no longer be available, making their appearance shells become rarer over time and prized by a few nostalgics. But owners of the new expansion will be able to buy underworld mods for planetary commendations at level 55, making gearing up fresh 55s very quick. Dread forged would then become the new baseline to start playing level 60 content such as hard mode flashpoints and story mode operations. Of course, nothing says they'll do that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkerus Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Your gear will most likely be reverted to year 1 pvp gear. You will want to level as fast as possible to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 This thread is why I don't raid. I'm not a big RPer but I hate the idea of my hero being reduced to a fashion mogul. I get to max level then reroll a new toon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 This thread is why I don't raid. I'm not a big RPer but I hate the idea of my hero being reduced to a fashion mogul. I get to max level then reroll a new toon. Most of the people who raid, do so because it's fun to beat the challenges in a team environment. Not to get gear. There simply isn't enough gear dropping for that to be the motivation. Why do you roll a new toon? Not for gear, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) They are going to take it all away. You will login and your toon will be naked, and you will need to repurchase all of our gear from the cartel market. True story. I came here to post this. Except for the CM part. Edited April 1, 2014 by Icebergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalfear Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Will it become useless? And what happened the last time the level capacity went up? you will go get new gear and that will be top dog until the next level raise brings in even newer gear As for it being useless, I give old gear to companions Helps their survivability allot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawginole Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 They will take all your expertise stats off your min/max ranked set that you worked months on without asking and will give you nothing in return for it. #bolster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lium Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Most of the people who raid, do so because it's fun to beat the challenges in a team environment. Not to get gear. There simply isn't enough gear dropping for that to be the motivation. Why do you roll a new toon? Not for gear, right? So, you're saying that if there was no new gear to be had people would still raid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 So, you're saying that if there was no new gear to be had people would still raid? My entire guild raids. None gives two sh...akes about gear. Yes, people would still do ops if they dropped no gear. We're playing a game. It's supposed to be fun. Those who only push the levers to get the food pellets belong in a university lab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawginole Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) My entire guild raids. None gives two sh...akes about gear. Yes, people would still do ops if they dropped no gear. We're playing a game. It's supposed to be fun. Those who only push the levers to get the food pellets belong in a university lab. I don't believe that for a second. Your guildies are probably decently geared or already geared if they are consistently raiding and that's why they aren't "giving a shake" about gear. Especially if your guild is not into progression. And if ops didn't drop gear then folks couldn't do progression. And progression is what many find fun because it is a harder and harder challenge that can only be completed by being appropriately geared. We are playing a game, and part of the fun of games is achievement. I think you would find it very hard to point out a single game of which the consensus would describe as "fun" that did not provide some reward, be it a title, a level, an item, or a score. What I find really humorous is you were the originator of a massive crafting post on how to make imaginary money (credits) in this game. Something you obviously chased, but now you're chastising players who prefer going after gear instead of money as if they are stupid (your words: "lab rats") and don't get the point of the game that only you are apparently privy. Back it down a notch. Edited April 1, 2014 by Dawginole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I don't believe that for a second. Your guildies are probably decently geared or already geared if they are consistently raiding and that's why they aren't "giving a shake" about gear. Especially if your guild is not into progression. And if ops didn't drop gear then folks couldn't do progression. And progression is what many find fun because it is a harder and harder challenge that can only be completed by being appropriately geared. We are playing a game, and part of the fun of games is achievement. I think you would find it very hard to point out a single game of which the consensus would describe as "fun" that did not provide some reward, be it a title, a level, an item, or a score. What I find really humorous is you were the originator of a massive crafting post on how to make imaginary money (credits) in this game. Something you obviously chased, but now you're chastising players who prefer going after gear instead of money as if they are stupid (your words: "lab rats") and don't get the point of the game that only you are apparently privy. Back it down a notch. I assumed that in this hypothetical world you proposed in which ops don't drop gear, there is an alternative method to obtaining gear to do ops. The notion that gear is necessary doesn't make its pursuit the reason to do ops. The reason to do ops is fun. As you put it, part of the fun of the game is achievement. The achievement is beating the tough content. We do it for the achievement - that is the reward. The gear reward is just something else that happens along the way. You mentioned my now deleted but outdated regardless post on credits. Credits are another one of those things that just happens for me as a side effect of playing the game. I wrote that post initially to help others who seem to constantly complain about being too broke to afford a single augment without running dailies all day every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudenfusz Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Will it become useless? And what happened the last time the level capacity went up? Nothing will happen directly to it, you can use it to get to the new level cap and farm there some new gear. The better the gear you have will make it just easier to get to the new level cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawginole Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) The notion that gear is necessary doesn't make its pursuit the reason to do ops. The reason to do ops is fun. That's your assumption. What if what I consider fun is specifically Dreadful or Hateful Entity? I have to have gear to be able to fight that boss. So maybe I find ops deplorable, but doing it to get gear in order to do the thing I'd actually have fun doing is a necessary part of getting to Dreadful/Hateful Entity. Edited April 1, 2014 by Dawginole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaanuJaanu Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Most of the people who raid, do so because it's fun to beat the challenges in a team environment. Not to get gear. There simply isn't enough gear dropping for that to be the motivation. Why do you roll a new toon? Not for gear, right? your assumption has been proven wrong in many MMOs, people who raid, raid for gear whether they admit or not. Take away the HM/NiM tiers of gear, no one will raid those content, even if HM/NiM were tuned for SM level gear with added mechanics. Why would anyone work harder for the same benefits? I certainly wouldn't and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Perhaps you would raid once for the challenge but that's it, and that too if it was somewhat exhibit-able through a title/achievement or something otherwise no one would, certainly not every week. Rolling a new toon is a garbage analogy again for raiding or not raiding, why do you play a different game? surely not for the star wars story. Edited April 1, 2014 by ShaanuJaanu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikinai Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Nothing. Your gear will still be the same. Your mods, armorings and such, those you may want to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFishing Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I don't believe that for a second. Your guildies are probably decently geared or already geared if they are consistently raiding and that's why they aren't "giving a shake" about gear. The only purpose that gear has for regular raiders is to get them ready for the next tier of ops. Running ops with friends is it's own reward. If it weren't, then raiders would clear an op only they were fully geared, and would never bother running alts or farming it for other guildies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFishing Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 your assumption has been proven wrong in many MMOs, people who raid, raid for gear whether they admit or not. Lol. "I'm right and even if you don't agree with me I'm still right because you are delusional." Good argument there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) The only purpose that gear has for regular raiders is to get them ready for the next tier of ops. Running ops with friends is it's own reward. If it weren't, then raiders would clear an op only they were fully geared, and would never bother running alts or farming it for other guildies. This is partly true, but you've got to take into account the fact that gear rewards can overcome "raid burnout". Remember when 63 gear was BiS and craftable (along with RE of PvP gear for mats)? It was hard to put an ops run together (in my experience anyway). The number of raids I was able to participate in drastically improved when 2.0 brought 2 new tiers of operations gear AND prevented the top end from being craftable. Even today, with DF/DP on farm, we run it to gear up alts. If those two operations didn't drop ANY gear, we'd probably stick to NM and Hateful. Edited April 1, 2014 by Khevar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawginole Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The only purpose that gear has for regular raiders is to get them ready for the next tier of ops. Running ops with friends is it's own reward. If it weren't, then raiders would clear an op only they were fully geared, and would never bother running alts or farming it for other guildies. Uh no, because those already geared guildies who are running ops to help other guildies are doing so why? To help the other guildies gear. Why? So that when everyone is geared they can move on to the next tier of ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Will it become useless? Assuming you have customizable gear, it doesn't become useless at all. Now, your mods on the other hand will become out-dated and need to be upgraded if you're playing end-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaanuJaanu Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Lol. "I'm right and even if you don't agree with me I'm still right because you are delusional." Good argument there! Your argument must be hidden somewhere, because I can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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