Master-LC Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 So in revenge of the sith, yoda confronts palpatine after windu etc failed too stop him we are all aware of this. But what if yoda was younger, more towards his prime lets say 700 years old. Wouldnt yoda have been able to defeat sidious? I have always wondered this. Im curious about your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirUrza Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) It's an expanded universe explanation but here goes... Force Fatigue is the result of the Jedi's continued belief in the Living Force, specifically Light and Dark. Their dogma has created a subconscious fear of falling to the Dark Side which erodes them at their core when they draw on that much Force power. Younger Jedi don't experience fatigue because they generally haven't learn to tap their full potential and their exposure to the Dark side is insignificant if not, nonexistent. That's a very poor explanation and it's not verbatim, but I hope it gets the point across. When Luke started to experience Force Fatigue he eventually figured out why, I believe it was during the Vong stuff. Edited February 8, 2014 by SirUrza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirorx Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 So in revenge of the sith, yoda confronts palpatine after windu etc failed too stop him we are all aware of this. But what if yoda was younger, more towards his prime lets say 700 years old. Wouldnt yoda have been able to defeat sidious? I have always wondered this. Im curious about your opinions. Maybe he would of, but then I Probally would have brought obi wan instead dividing up forces. Anakin was a threat but he was less of a threat than palpatine. With out palpatine anakin would be a lone dark Jedi, something I think could of been handled a little later on. Palpatine was a real problem. They could have lost but in the end yoda lost alone and obwan won his fight and beating anakin had no affect on the immediate outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDymond Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) So in revenge of the sith, yoda confronts palpatine after windu etc failed too stop him we are all aware of this. But what if yoda was younger, more towards his prime lets say 700 years old. Wouldnt yoda have been able to defeat sidious? I have always wondered this. Im curious about your opinions. It's possible, but I think far from certain. Yoda in particular made a point during the prequels of mentioning a few times how the Force was falling out of balance - how the Jedi's power was diminished and the Dark Side was clouding everything. The Dark Side isn't inherently stronger, but the Galaxy as a whole was shifting towards the Dark thanks to the Sith manipulations and plots coming to fruition - nothing to the extent of proper a Dark Side nexus, like the cave on Dagobah, but maybe enough to tip the balance, particularly for a master like Sidious. The fight between Yoda and Sidious wasn't so much a matter of "is 'individual force-user A' stronger than 'individual force-user B'?" as it was emblematic of how the Sith had, for a time at least, gained the upper hand overall. Edited February 8, 2014 by DarthDymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingonaut Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It's an expanded universe explanation but here goes... Force Fatigue is the result of the Jedi's continued belief in the Living Force, specifically Light and Dark. Their dogma has created a subconscious fear of falling to the Dark Side which erodes them at their core when they draw on that much Force power. Younger Jedi don't experience fatigue because they generally haven't learn to tap their full potential and their exposure to the Dark side is insignificant if not, nonexistent. That's a very poor explanation and it's not verbatim, but I hope it gets the point across. When Luke started to experience Force Fatigue he eventually figured out why, I believe it was during the Vong stuff. Are you trying to say Yoda died because he feared falling to the dark side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) It's an expanded universe explanation but here goes... Force Fatigue is the result of the Jedi's continued belief in the Living Force, specifically Light and Dark. Their dogma has created a subconscious fear of falling to the Dark Side which erodes them at their core when they draw on that much Force power. Younger Jedi don't experience fatigue because they generally haven't learn to tap their full potential and their exposure to the Dark side is insignificant if not, nonexistent. That's a very poor explanation and it's not verbatim, but I hope it gets the point across. When Luke started to experience Force Fatigue he eventually figured out why, I believe it was during the Vong stuff. I have never heard of Force Fatigue... Edited February 8, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I have never heard of Force Fatigue... Neither have I, doesn't make much sense either because Yoda's drawn on Dark Power before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) Maybe he would of, but then I Probally would have brought obi wan instead dividing up forces. Anakin was a threat but he was less of a threat than palpatine. With out palpatine anakin would be a lone dark Jedi, something I think could of been handled a little later on. Palpatine was a real problem. They could have lost but in the end yoda lost alone and obwan won his fight and beating anakin had no affect on the immediate outcome. Yoda bringing Obi-Wan wouldn't have changed a thing, except for Obi-Wan dying. Yoda told him as much. Edited February 8, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bejarid Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I have never heard of Force Fatigue... Nor have I; source, Urza? On topic, as I recall, Yoda wasn't technically beat; in fighting the Emperor in such a Force-full duel, Yoda was finally able to, briefly, pierce the veil that had been shrouding the Dark Side and got a glimpse of the future. My speculation, as I don't think his "vision" was every truly defined, is that Yoda saw that it was not his destiny to defeat Palpatine and so fled to meditate and bide his time for the one who would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirorx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yoda bringing Obi-Wan wouldn't have changed a thing, except for Obi-Wan dying. Yoda told him as much. Maybe but they failed anyway and yoda spend twenty years living in a swamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Palpatine wasn't in his prime, as well as Dooku. It's the dark side that corrupts the body, not the light side. The Light side probably allowed Yoda to live even longer. Edited February 10, 2014 by Sadishist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Only mention of "force fatigue" I could find was here and it references an individuals short term force power. It is however mentioned in the very next section that it the concept "force fatigue" is related to (personal force reservoir) is a game mechanic and doesn't any other EU mentions or explanations. As for the definition provided in this thread (second result if you google "force fatigue star wars" by the way), I've never heard of force fatigue or any similar issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleSChen Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 If you read the kiddy books, (OK now I'm embarrassed ) Most say: "Even though Yoda was a grand master of the force, he still could not defeat the evil sith lord Palpatine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Only mention of "force fatigue" I could find was here and it references an individuals short term force power. It is however mentioned in the very next section that it the concept "force fatigue" is related to (personal force reservoir) is a game mechanic and doesn't any other EU mentions or explanations. As for the definition provided in this thread (second result if you google "force fatigue star wars" by the way), I've never heard of force fatigue or any similar issue.So basically Yoda was one short of a full mana bar when he went to fight Sidious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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