Unibek Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I just finished reading Shatterpoint and have come to the conclusion that the movies did him absolutely no justice. He created Vaapad which as described ,seemed damn near impenetrable and to master it a Jedi would have to literally balance themselves at the dividing line of the Light Side and Dark Side. With this in mind, how many Jedi would allow themselves so close to that threshold? Who, among the Jedi, would even consider it? This gave Mace, or anyone who had mastered it (Like Depa Billaba), in my mind, a greater ability in defensive and offensive situations over other Jedi. The book mentioned on several occasions how dangerous Vaapad really was and by simply allowing himself to dip into the Force so deeply was eating away at him, his humanity and would, if left unchecked almost certainly drag him to the Dark Side. I feel like Mace could have been such a better character. Trying to visualize Vaapad just doesn't do it justice. I wish I could see it. But that is another problem all together-- It wasn't that easy to see. To even Jedi Vaapad was nothing more than a wall of energy. How overwhelming would that be to see coming your way? Or taunting you to attack? And to think, in the book, Mace would use two lightsabers (his and Depa's) while in Vaapad. That just screams unbeatable to me.. I'm new to the EU. So maybe I haven't done enough research to feel Mace Windu has been given proper recognition. Maybe I still have much more to read to realize that he doesn't deserve such recognition at all? I wonder though, what if Mace Windu did fall to the Dark Side? Would he not be one of the most formidable Dark Jedis to ever live? If not the most? If it wasn't for his entire life being spent as a Jedi, and his strong belief and unwavering loyalty in the Jedi way Mace Windu would of sealed his own fate creating Vaapad and been an absolute force to be reckoned with when he finally did fall. To those that haven't read Shatterpoint and have even the slightest interest in who Mace Windu is, and why he is who he is, I'd suggest you read the book. It is an incredibly fun read. And to no one in particular and everyone all at once, what do you think of Mace Windu? Where does he rank in your mind as a Jedi? And where would he rank if he had become a Dark Jedi based off the power he would wield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGarmaZabi Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I just finished reading Shatterpoint and have come to the conclusion that the movies did him absolutely no justice. Although I haven't read that book, I'll just say you have it backwards. The movies came first, and the novel just branched off from it, so if he seemed different or better or stronger in the novel, it's more the author making him greater then originally intended then the movies not giving him the credit he was due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 You should read the Revenge of the Sith novel if you haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibek Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Although I haven't read that book, I'll just say you have it backwards. The movies came first, and the novel just branched off from it, so if he seemed different or better or stronger in the novel, it's more the author making him greater then originally intended then the movies not giving him the credit he was due. Wasn't the book released originally in 2003? This book takes place between Episode 2 which was released in 2002 and Episode 3 which was released in 2005. And was a book George Lucas endorsed (or at least wrote a prologue for). I forgot to even mention his ability to see shatterpoints (go figure, its even the title); An exploitable weakness in any enemy or any situation. Something that is not always seen instantly and may not always be a single moment or place but almost always leads to destruction to those that oppose him and for which a shatterpoint is found. Beast mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibek Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 You should read the Revenge of the Sith novel if you haven't. Is that Labyrinth of Evil? It's my next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Is that Labyrinth of Evil? It's my next one. Labyrinth of Evil is a prelude to Revenge of the Sith. The Revenge of the Sith novelization is titled 'Revenge of the Sith.' Both are excellent reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeh, Windu and Yoda would have been Insane if they went Dark Side, hell, Yoda is stated in Canon, to be potentially the most Powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen, if dark side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sell-dog Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yeh, Windu and Yoda would have been Insane if they went Dark Side, hell, Yoda is stated in Canon, to be potentially the most Powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen, if dark side Not doubting you but just curious, where was this stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Not doubting you but just curious, where was this stated? Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Currently my second favorite Star Wars novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sell-dog Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Currently my second favorite Star Wars novel. That was my guess, that book has a special place..on my amazon wish list unfortunately lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Currently my second favorite Star Wars novel. Shame it had to take the place of a Novel directly focusing on Shaak Ti, but was still an amazing book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 That was my guess, that book has a special place..on my amazon wish list unfortunately lol lol. It's definitely worth the read. The relationship and interaction between Yoda and Dooku alone is worth the price. Plus Yoda's awesomeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Shame it had to take the place of a Novel directly focusing on Shaak Ti, but was still an amazing book. Indeed? That would have been cool, but I'm more than happy with what we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Indeed? That would have been cool, but I'm more than happy with what we got. Yeh, I'd been looking forward to the Ti book, was fully written and everything, then they canned it because Yoda had more fan appeal... Why they couldn't just release Dark Rendezvous like 6 months later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) Yeh, I'd been looking forward to the Ti book, was fully written and everything, then they canned it because Yoda had more fan appeal... Why they couldn't just release Dark Rendezvous like 6 months later Interesting. Edit: I would have liked a Ti book, too. Edited January 30, 2014 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibek Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeh, Windu and Yoda would have been Insane if they went Dark Side, hell, Yoda is stated in Canon, to be potentially the most Powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen, if dark side I'll have to add that book to my "Must Read" list. I couldn't imagine Yoda going to the Dark Side. That would be lights out for the Republic. I feel like Mace could do a whole lot of damage in his own right. I just wish he received more attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'll have to add that book to my "Must Read" list. I couldn't imagine Yoda going to the Dark Side. That would be lights out for the Republic. I feel like Mace could do a whole lot of damage in his own right. I just wish he received more attention. If you want more Windu, check out Schism and Show of Force. Two great comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aharx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I just finished reading Shatterpoint and have come to the conclusion that the movies did him absolutely no justice. He created Vaapad which as described ,seemed damn near impenetrable and to master it a Jedi would have to literally balance themselves at the dividing line of the Light Side and Dark Side. With this in mind, how many Jedi would allow themselves so close to that threshold? Who, among the Jedi, would even consider it? This gave Mace, or anyone who had mastered it (Like Depa Billaba), in my mind, a greater ability in defensive and offensive situations over other Jedi. The book mentioned on several occasions how dangerous Vaapad really was and by simply allowing himself to dip into the Force so deeply was eating away at him, his humanity and would, if left unchecked almost certainly drag him to the Dark Side. I feel like Mace could have been such a better character. Trying to visualize Vaapad just doesn't do it justice. I wish I could see it. But that is another problem all together-- It wasn't that easy to see. To even Jedi Vaapad was nothing more than a wall of energy. How overwhelming would that be to see coming your way? Or taunting you to attack? And to think, in the book, Mace would use two lightsabers (his and Depa's) while in Vaapad. That just screams unbeatable to me.. I'm new to the EU. So maybe I haven't done enough research to feel Mace Windu has been given proper recognition. Maybe I still have much more to read to realize that he doesn't deserve such recognition at all? I wonder though, what if Mace Windu did fall to the Dark Side? Would he not be one of the most formidable Dark Jedis to ever live? If not the most? If it wasn't for his entire life being spent as a Jedi, and his strong belief and unwavering loyalty in the Jedi way Mace Windu would of sealed his own fate creating Vaapad and been an absolute force to be reckoned with when he finally did fall. To those that haven't read Shatterpoint and have even the slightest interest in who Mace Windu is, and why he is who he is, I'd suggest you read the book. It is an incredibly fun read. And to no one in particular and everyone all at once, what do you think of Mace Windu? Where does he rank in your mind as a Jedi? And where would he rank if he had become a Dark Jedi based off the power he would wield? You know what I found was that the original Clone Wars cartoon (not the 5 season animated series) actually did do him justice. Pardon my French but he kicked some serious *** in that show! And it even shows where Grievous got his wheezing cough from... Windu trying to rip his gut-sac out. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadishist Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Yeh, Windu and Yoda would have been Insane if they went Dark Side, hell, Yoda is stated in Canon, to be potentially the most Powerful Sith Lord the galaxy has ever seen, if dark side Yoda used dark side in Dark Rendezvous to tap into Vjun's power to fight Dooku. Edited January 31, 2014 by Sadishist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yoda used dark side in Dark Rendezvous to tap into Vjun's power to fight Dooku.Yah, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yoda used dark side in Dark Rendezvous to tap into Vjun's power to fight Dooku. No he didn't. He only drew on Vjun's power after the battle to move a super missile hurtling towards him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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