paowee Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 the main class balance guy's "favorite" class is a sniper, that's actually truei meant the bias part. anywho whatever its fine. i also edited the post u quoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odawgg Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 This is a game. People play the characters they have fun playing, in addition to the fun of progression. Unless all classes are balanced perfectly (for Bioware would be impossible) there has to be wiggle room with enrage timers to accommodate players playing the classes they have fun with. You cannot force a specific group composition without alienating a huge portion of the playerbase (something nobody wants). We had a member of our guild (Jekel) who probably played the best Shadow/Assassin DPS I have ever seen. He rerolled a Gunslinger in order to raid, then quit the game because he didn't have fun with his Gunslinger and his preferred class just cannot keep up with the other classes in DPS. Honestly sad really. Regards, KK I wanted to quote this cuz it's probably the first thing I've ever agreed with you on in all the posts i've ever read I do believe that nightmare raids should be able to be completed with EVERY group composition, which this particular fight is not. However, I believe that it should take a top 2-3% of every advanced class to complete it (on average, so that could mean u got a 1%'er and an 5%'er would balance eachother out etc.) This is just really difficult at least for BW to accomplish either cuz it's complex OR cuz BW just can't figure it out, I'm not a programmer so idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odawgg Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuUBkuN2lwQ I LOL'd....very loud haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odawgg Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) I think ideal setup for this raid would either be 3 mara's and a sniper or 2 mara's and 2 snipers. But they would all have to be top of their class to complete it in present state. I also know that a top of the class merc can be mixed in place of a sniper with minimal loss and can complete it in present state cuz we will but the ideal would be all-swtor mara's and snipers, that's obvious. Edit: but how many guilds have this, 4 "all-swtor" mara's and snipers or at lease 2 mara/sniper/merc that are all top of their class...not enough to consider this boss tuned properly lol, but i think BW should give everyone 2-3 weeks to try before fixing ( i hope we only need this week, but i know other guilds don't want to quit yet nor do we if we don't this week). Edited June 15, 2013 by odawgg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbak Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) I agree with that assesment. We are currently wiping in the low % with 2xsniper, arsenal merc and a vengence jugg and the lack of bloodthirst really hurts when trying to burn down Heriad before the 3rd shield, It really feels we have to give it our all to do so. Edited June 15, 2013 by umbak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) I think ideal setup for this raid would either be 3 mara's and a sniper or 2 mara's and 2 snipers. But they would all have to be top of their class to complete it in present state. I also know that a top of the class merc can be mixed in place of a sniper with minimal loss and can complete it in present state cuz we will but the ideal would be all-swtor mara's and snipers, that's obvious. Edit: but how many guilds have this, 4 "all-swtor" mara's and snipers or at lease 2 mara/sniper/merc that are all top of their class...not enough to consider this boss tuned properly lol, but i think BW should give everyone 2-3 weeks to try before fixing ( i hope we only need this week, but i know other guilds don't want to quit yet nor do we if we don't this week). 3 Snipers 1 Mara! lol oh and a jugg tank for armor pen Edited June 15, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I agree with that assesment. We are currently wiping in the low % with 2xsniper, arsenal merc and a vengence jugg and the lack of bloodthirst really hurts when trying to burn down Heriad before the 3rd shield, It really feels we have to give it our all to do so. props to DiliH for running it with.. a Vengeance jugg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeLM Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 A Sniper can roll and ideally pick up 5 puddles , run in to 1, in a second and then go back to DPSing. In the attempts I tried, rolling resisted the green motes and would not remove stacks of doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) In the attempts I tried, rolling resisted the green motes and would not remove stacks of doom. i roll over green puddles in the pts. 5 was an exaggeation but i roll through 3 puddles, run to finish other stacks and go back to DPSing. Roovin also does it in the stream but not a lot. I just like using roll in general >_< Hmm thx for input tho might be something to watch out for for bug reports. Edited June 15, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigheadbrandon Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 my ideal dps comp for 8man 1 deception assassin 1 concealment operative 1 rage juggernaut 1 AP powertech how come cant do?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbak Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 We take our jugg partly because he's the GM and partly because his accidental leap pulls really help to keep up morale I know you're reading this lace .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyntharion Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 We take our jugg partly because he's the GM and partly because his accidental leap pulls really help to keep up morale I know you're reading this lace .... Speaking of ninja pulls, that's it Lace you're out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacedemon Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 /massgkick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansalem Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Almost to the forum guidelines views number...closing in. Im sure there will be many more views tonight especially if a guild downs DG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbak Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 40k :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbak Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Dooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar_Breeze Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Woooooo imposibruuuuuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyntharion Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 It's done. Dread Guards World first by DilIh Red Eclipse EU. IT IS POSSIBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacedemon Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 http://imgur.com/1g34EAx GOGOGO VENGEANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbak Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) After far far too many wipes Who needs NP buff or Bloodthirst! Edited June 16, 2013 by umbak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furydemon Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 http://imgur.com/1g34EAx GOGOGO VENGEANCE Grats guys - you worked hard for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansalem Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 grats on the kill. How many hours, attempts, etc did you guys take to get it done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHeisenberg Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Gratz DILIH ) gratz me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar_Breeze Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 grats on the kill. How many hours, attempts, etc did you guys take to get it done? About 160 wipes but it is possible ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyntharion Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 grats on the kill. How many hours, attempts, etc did you guys take to get it done? Faar to many. I wasn't even there for the initial attempts. Probably around 150+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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