leto_cleon Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 As a Watchman spekked Sentinell (dot spek) would an Underworld Relic of Dark Radiance not outdps an Underworld Relic of Boundless Ages? As the other relic I have an Underworld Relic of Serendipitous Assault.. Advice would be welcome In terms of sustained DPS damage proc relics are better, in terms of burst DPS, the power click one is better. You can use the calculator here to plug in your own stats to compare. The damage dealt by the Dark Radiance relic is also increased by Juyo which at 5 stacks is an extra 10% damage. Think of damage proc relics for DoT specs as an extra off GCD hit. For DoT specs especially, Damage procs can proc off dots during movement/being stunned/dealing with other mechanics/double GCD etc. The full effect of power click relics relies on you being able to continue your full rotation, which sometimes is not possible. Furthermore, the damage proc crits based on your force crit, so as you gear can get better crit chance % and crit multiplier % the damage proc also gets better. It's a shame though that there's aren't any damage proc Dread Forged relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindariel Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) Just bought a Dread Forged Focused Retribution relic after todays patch and all i can say is: wooooot! With talents and buffs, it adds a whoopin' 821 willpower to my stats aaaand it has double proc! (2 seperate procs, not a refreshing proc like before) Edit: It seems, that DF SA relic does NOT have a double proc, which makes FR relic far superior. Edited December 3, 2013 by Sindariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbgood Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 are you sure about the double proc? i testet the DF-mainstat-proc-relic today with my balance shadow, scoundrel healer and sage healer. the proc was refreshing as it was pre-patch. the tool tips did not change btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindariel Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 are you sure about the double proc? i testet the DF-mainstat-proc-relic today with my balance shadow, scoundrel healer and sage healer. the proc was refreshing as it was pre-patch. the tool tips did not change btw. After further testing, you're right. The proc is refreshing. It's just coincidence if you get both procs seperatly or a refreshing proc. 19:24:17.504 You gain Primärwoge 19:24:23.496 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:24:26.717 You gain Primärwoge 19:24:32.582 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:24:38.622 You gain Primärwoge 19:24:44.659 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:24:48.028 You gain Primärwoge 19:24:53.934 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:24:58.647 You gain Primärwoge 19:25:04.714 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:25:19.435 You gain Primärwoge 19:25:29.526 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:25:39.970 You gain Primärwoge 19:25:45.899 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:25:46.927 You gain Primärwoge 19:25:52.990 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:25:59.999 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:06.016 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:26:09.771 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:15.814 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:26:22.481 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:28.490 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:26:30.329 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:36.479 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:26:42.476 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:48.593 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:26:50.534 You gain Primärwoge 19:26:56.559 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:27:02.880 You gain Primärwoge 19:27:09.199 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:27:11.431 You gain Primärwoge 19:27:17.466 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:27:23.056 You gain Primärwoge 19:27:29.375 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:27:47.127 You gain Primärwoge 19:27:53.163 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:28:09.398 You gain Primärwoge 19:28:16.423 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:28:30.579 You gain Primärwoge 19:28:36.725 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:28:42.717 You gain Primärwoge 19:28:48.791 You lose Primärwoge effect 19:28:50.891 You gain Primärwoge 19:28:56.916 You lose Primärwoge effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipstik Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) im thinking about starting a thread in general that lists all the relics from arkanian up (including pvp) with info on double proc, internal cooldown and stacking (two SA relics, one SA one main stat proc etc.). was hoping someone could give me a nice chunk of data to start with. here is a link you can edit to add info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvH62lZUwAmwdHU3NW1CU1hVOVM2MFVJWGFJRzZ4M1E&usp=sharing Edited December 3, 2013 by dipstik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 im thinking about starting a thread in general that lists all the relics from arkanian up (including pvp) with info on double proc, internal cooldown and stacking (two SA relics, one SA one main stat proc etc.). was hoping someone could give me a nice chunk of data to start with. here is a link you can edit to add info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvH62lZUwAmwdHU3NW1CU1hVOVM2MFVJWGFJRzZ4M1E&usp=sharing Something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipstik Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 i wasnt sure how reliable pre 2.5 data would be. seems liek only oberon and DF relics changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 i wasnt sure how reliable pre 2.5 data would be. seems liek only oberon and DF relics changed Over the next few days I am going to re-test all of the relics I have to confirm proc rates and pairings. Still, I doubt they changed the mechanics of the relics - just the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardarell_Solo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 are you sure about the double proc? i testet the DF-mainstat-proc-relic today with my balance shadow, scoundrel healer and sage healer. the proc was refreshing as it was pre-patch. the tool tips did not change btw. Could someone please clarify: On German server T3-M4 the tooltip of the FR relic says it only boosts your mainstat by 225, not the 700something it said on PTS. Is that just a tooltip/translation problem and the relic actually boosts your mainstat much higher - as stated here? Or did they decide against buffing the FR relic altogether and didn't do the planned change to FR relic on live server at all? Or did they just fail to update the tooltip both in German an English version and the FR mainstat boost is as high as it was on PTS but the tooltip doesn't tell you? My my, relic confusion is really a neverending story in this game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunions Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Just bought a Dread Forged Focused Retribution relic after todays patch and all i can say is: wooooot! With talents and buffs, it adds a whoopin' 821 willpower to my stats aaaand it has double proc! (2 seperate procs, not a refreshing proc like before) Edit: It seems, that DF SA relic does NOT have a double proc, which makes FR relic far superior. Can you confirm with a parse that the DF SA Relic does not double proc (from damage + heals) ? I was very bummed when I got my DF clicky relic a while back before they announced the 2.5 relic changes. I was hoping to eventually run the FR and SA relics together (I'm a watchman sentinel). However, if what you are saying is true then it sounds like the FR and Clicky relic would still be very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 heya guys, I just seen the buff to Obroan relics too, actually i have obroan SA relics and the Underworld autoproc 264 elemental force dmg but i think now it's a lot better to swap the Underworld relic with the pri autoproc Obroan relic (625 pri stat lol) class: Shadow Infiltration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Can you confirm with a parse that the DF SA Relic does not double proc (from damage + heals) ? I was very bummed when I got my DF clicky relic a while back before they announced the 2.5 relic changes. I was hoping to eventually run the FR and SA relics together (I'm a watchman sentinel). However, if what you are saying is true then it sounds like the FR and Clicky relic would still be very good Based on a parse from 2.4.3, the DF SA relic did not double proc. Based on this the optimal, relics for you will be KD SA and DF FR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofalong Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Could someone please clarify: On German server T3-M4 the tooltip of the FR relic says it only boosts your mainstat by 225, not the 700something it said on PTS. Is that just a tooltip/translation problem and the relic actually boosts your mainstat much higher - as stated here? Or did they decide against buffing the FR relic altogether and didn't do the planned change to FR relic on live server at all? Or did they just fail to update the tooltip both in German an English version and the FR mainstat boost is as high as it was on PTS but the tooltip doesn't tell you? My my, relic confusion is really a neverending story in this game... It sounds like they failed to update the German tooltip as the DF FR does boost PriStat by 740... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindariel Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Or did they just fail to update the tooltip both in German an English version and the FR mainstat boost is as high as it was on PTS but the tooltip doesn't tell you? My my, relic confusion is really a neverending story in this game... They just forgot to change the german tooltips. I can confirm, they have the new values. Can you confirm with a parse that the DF SA Relic does not double proc (from damage + heals) ? I was very bummed when I got my DF clicky relic a while back before they announced the 2.5 relic changes. I was hoping to eventually run the FR and SA relics together (I'm a watchman sentinel). However, if what you are saying is true then it sounds like the FR and Clicky relic would still be very good Sadly, I can't make new parses with the DF SA relic since i've already bought and augmented the FR relic. I can only provide this quick parse from yesterday.: http://www.torparse.com/a/511674/3/0/Log 17:32:57.056 You gain Energiewoge 17:33:03.140 You lose Energiewoge effect 17:33:20.287 You gain Energiewoge 17:33:26.433 You lose Energiewoge effect 17:33:43.097 You gain Energiewoge 17:33:49.137 You lose Energiewoge effect 17:34:03.616 You gain Energiewoge 17:34:09.650 You lose Energiewoge effect Edited December 4, 2013 by Sindariel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 about obroan relics, they still can proc at same time just tryed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugattiboy Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 about obroan relics, they still can proc at same time just tryed now. Which Obroan relics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmeskywalkr Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Could someone please clarify: On German server T3-M4 the tooltip of the FR relic says it only boosts your mainstat by 225, not the 700something it said on PTS. Is that just a tooltip/translation problem and the relic actually boosts your mainstat much higher - as stated here? Tooltip is wrong, it's 740 of primary stat for 6s every 20s for focused retribution dread forged même sur le seveur français Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Which Obroan relics? oh yes sorry, SA + pristat autoproc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_y Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 oh yes sorry, SA + pristat autoproc. Why wouldn't they proc at the same time? They're technically different effects (I believe the SA relic specifically just says it shares a cooldown with other SA relics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxnicke Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) It sounds like they failed to update the German tooltip as the DF FR does boost PriStat by 740... One observation Edited March 27, 2014 by Saxnicke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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