Caeliux Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) This video merely strengthens the stereotype that clickers are bad... This is the attitude I expect from you squid head, so it don't surprise me. I think whatever makes people feel comfortable is the key, that really is the bottom line when playing games. Hell not everyone takes gaming so serious as maybe you or me, and they actually play to have fun, not competitive omg I want to blow your head off. And sure I do think becoming a keybound player can make someone better at PVP, at least for some fluent rotations, but it's like training someone to eat brussel sprouts. Its not that easy especially if they have been doing it all their life, some chicken peck on the keyboard. Just saying. Edited April 18, 2013 by Caeliux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegances Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) http://i.imgur.com/dKE9wyT.jpg id say im a keybinder because i press P on my keyboard then i click the ability i want to use but i sometimes click the abilitys over my bars cause its faster and incase i drag the ability off the bars there are many more to click for fast dps thank you ! This is GOLD. Personally, I do both. My core rotation is bound, but I can happily click the less commonly used ones(mostly long cds) without losing anything. Edited April 18, 2013 by Elegances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfourcustom Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) This being my first mmo i was a clicker my first 3 months moved on to keybinds + razer naga and never looked back. Noticed an improvement in my overall play. Edited April 18, 2013 by mfourcustom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianDmitruk Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 This is the attitude I expect from you squid head, so it don't surprise me. I think whatever makes people feel comfortable is the key, that really is the bottom line when playing games. Hell not everyone takes gaming so serious as maybe you or me, and they actually play to have fun, not competitive omg I want to blow your head off. And sure I do think becoming a keybound player can make someone better at PVP, at least for some fluent rotations, but it's like training someone to eat brussel sprouts. Its not that easy especially if they have been doing it all their life, some chicken peck on the keyboard. Just saying. This. I never made any claim of being elite or anything. But some people have absolutely no concept of degree. Either you're the most elite player who ever lived or you are a hard carry in every warzone you walk into, with absolutely no in between whatsoever. Never mind that it's a spec I haven't really played in over a year--I spent about a week on PTS and a week in it after 2.0. I was also playing that match with a handicap I didn't even know I had until after (no outbound voice whatsoever)--had I known I obviously would have played differently. But of course our troll ran his mouth literally before he would have had time to read my post, the description, and allow the video to finish. And in such a short sample time, that match was by far the most taxing I had played and yes I identified several places where I would have done something differently by watching the recording (not that the troll would care to actually be constructive about it, of course). I never made any claim at being the best there is on my server or anything. But when I walk into a normal warzone, I can and do pull my own weight. If the troll wants to buy me a razor naga, he can be my guest and I'll eat my words LOL. But it's not like trolls ever put their money where their mouth is--that's why they're trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryRow Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 This is not optimal o Mouseclicking your medpack and defensive cooldowns is a bad idea, because you might need them quickly in a pinch, and they are off the gcd. o Stuns are really important to be able to get off in a hurry, definitely a high priority for a convenient keybind Why don't you try, for maybe a week or so, binding some of these important quickbar slots to shift+ one of your naga mouse buttons. You can always go back if you hate it, but I doubt you will Kettlebell, this is what you would sound like if you weren't a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) Everything bound to naga and gamepad, keyboard for chat. Ultramegapro1337 setup, I can 40k dps ALL DAY. Wut? Haha you don't wanna duel me kid . I slam midichlorian power shakes before I queue. inb4 your envy. Edited April 18, 2013 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobie-Wan Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Never keybound in any MMO previous to this but with so many abilities in TOR I've gotten into it. Definitely a keybinder now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 it's physically impossible to perform as well clicking as with keybinds. there are a few reasons for this. the main reason is mobility. mouse turning is exponentially faster than keyboard turning. this is indisputable fact (that means if you argue it, you're wrong ). some classes are less dependent on movement than others, so they aren't as handicapped by kb turning (commandos, for instance, are easy to click with because they don't involve a lot of movement and cast abils hold their target regardless of movement once the cast is initiated) any class with a taunt ability will perform better with keybinds for the same reasons already mentioned about of gcd abilities. a clicker can only activate one ability at a time. abils that are off gcd allow multiple activations at the same instant (breakers, medpacs, taunts, the new shoulder cannon for VGs, etc.). all other conditions being equal (skill/knowledge/class ceiling/etc.), bindings are always going to be superior to clicking. this does not require 6+ pages to figure out. do what you want to do (you're going to do that anyway). don't pretend for a second that it's "better" to click because of some misguided conception of "comfort." learning to bind keys comes with a learning curve. you're going to be worse than clicking until you develop some muscle memory (usually a week or two). that doesn't mean clicking is better (for you or any human being on this planet with opposable thumbs - luls). it's more than a bit naive to say this but... /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridickilis Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) Clicker and keyboard turner for the first two months of this game, fully keybound and mouse movement (standard keyboard and three button mouse) ever since. I guess I got tired of getting one attack off for every 5 I was getting hit with and never able to stay facing the enemy. It's a real treat spotting keyboard turners in WZ now though, especially on my op/scoundrel or Sin/Shadow. Edited April 18, 2013 by Ridickilis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rendolphe Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 G13 + G600. Even with this setup I still have 1 ability on my sniper that I can't bind because they are all used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramyth Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I play a Commando. I play a hybrid setup between clicking and keybinding. I'm a girl and have extremely tiny hands. For example it's hard for me to hit ctrl+1 at the same time. So all my keybinds have to be one button press and this makes it difficult because there are only so many buttons in range of my stupidity small hands. lol I find moving with the mouse is over sensitive. What DPI do you guys play with your mouse on? Mine is 6400 DPI. Oddly enough however, my skills not hot keyed are ones off the GCD, I can click them in rapid succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridickilis Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Oddly enough however, my skills not hot keyed are ones off the GCD, I can click them in rapid succession. Just saying, if they were bound next to each other you could hit them all at the same time rather than in rapid succession. Just sayin cause I like to bind the "off the GCD" abilities that I would use in conjunction with something else next to or near each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyTheBear Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 All about LoS for me, Keybinds for LoS attacks/debuffs, things like saber ward,vent heat, Ect. that don't require a LoS are clickies for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystbladeWA Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I keybind. I havent been able to incorporate mouse turning however. I'm left handed and gaming mice for us aberrations of nature and not deemed cost effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lalainnia Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Clicker It's easier for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frakkensteinse Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Neither. I use a steering wheel and stick shift for movement. I use three pedals under the desk for abilities, with CTRL and Shift modifiers. My rotation is: Gas Pedal Shift + Gas Pedal Clutch CTRL + Brake Clutch Shift+ Brake Then I drop it down to 4th gear and double clutch -> shift + gas pedal. JK I use keyboard like everyone else who is gonna answer this thread Hmmm. maybe use gas for move forward and clutch as modifier for something... maybe focus target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridickilis Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Do all of you use the cool down timer text on your abilities? I hadn't for the longest time but since I switched I don't even know how I lived without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Neither. I use a steering wheel and stick shift for movement. I use three pedals under the desk for abilities, with CTRL and Shift modifiers. My rotation is: Gas Pedal Shift + Gas Pedal Clutch CTRL + Brake Clutch Shift+ Brake Then I drop it down to 4th gear and double clutch -> shift + gas pedal. JK I use keyboard like everyone else who is gonna answer this thread I was going to say, you know you could totally play a trooper/PT well with this system, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramyth Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just saying, if they were bound next to each other you could hit them all at the same time rather than in rapid succession. Just sayin cause I like to bind the "off the GCD" abilities that I would use in conjunction with something else next to or near each other. I realize this now. I'm going to have to fiddle with it later and come up with something that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuglebunny Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 keyboard turning and clicking like a BOSS. lol Whats crazy is I top healing and damage in WZ's all the time. So, I must be SO AWESOME that even without keybinds im better than everyone. That's how incredibly good I am at SWTOR. Nah, actualy I have about 6 abilities bound but I do mostly click. Winning and losing means very little in this game so I cant be bothered. My main problem in pvp is targeting the correct person to kill or heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seireeni Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 My main problem in pvp is targeting the correct person to kill or heal. When healing, click their place in the ops frame instead of trying to click the actual character, who's probably moving all the time. Much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malastare Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I have about 20 characters, so things get a little more patterned than most: E = forward C = reverse W = melee (shiv, stockstrike) or anti-melee (pulse, wave) R = short cooldown attack T = ranged short cooldown attack Y = ranged area/special A = Charge/ranged DoT, often attack-starter S = stun F = strong attack G = situational attack (backstabs, retaliation, etc) H = heal Z = medpac X = stun break V = area attack N = long cooldown 1 = defensive cooldown 4 = energy/ammo/force replenish Shift-D = high damage/finisher Shift-T = speed/escape Shift-F = strong debuff Shift-G = annoying crowd control (push, pull, grapple) It helps a lot when you have a ton of characters and switch between them a lot. When I switch to a character I haven't played in a while, I can still play reasonably well right away, simply because the reactions to certain situations use similar keys. If someone is in my face, hitting W or F will usually be a good thing, and I can spam R on most of my characters for grenades, shock, slash, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Beers Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Naga Mouse with everything bound to it. Use 1 - = for main abilities plus ctrl, shift and ctrl + shift modifiers. Target center screen enemy is scroll down on mouse wheel, interrupt is scroll up. I have a buddy who keyboard turns and clicks as a Sent. and it drives me crazy. He says he does fine but in a game where we were in separate groups we both queued and were on opposing teams. He said in mumble this should be easy as he already knows who the healer is. He couldn't stay on target for more than a second. I kited him around that in cube in the middle of AH the whole match(while healing so he wasn't even slowing me down) while the DPS burned him down. There is no way you can keyboard turn and keep up with someone slowing you and pillar humping. It's just not possible unless they are drunk and keep running into the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuglebunny Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 When healing, click their place in the ops frame instead of trying to click the actual character, who's probably moving all the time. Much easier. already do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSitho Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I'm basically only doing warzones and that requires keybinds. I've got around 23binds on every toon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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