ParagonAX Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Updated: completely reworked suggestion based on this thread. Unable to change title, but this suggestion works for all PvP brackets. No gear is given out. This suggestion will NOT affect PvE in any way. Scrap bolster for all warzone brackets. When entering warzones: - Have a dialog box pop up with 2 options. - Option 1. Overide stats from gear with standardized, predetermined, competitive PvP stats (could be un-augmented Partisan). Have checkboxes for DPS or tank stats. - Option 2. Use unaltered stats from gear, exactly what the toon is wearing. Default would be Option 1, works for both 55s and lowbies. Suggestions welcome. Edited May 7, 2013 by ParagonAX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbr Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanReagan Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Good ideas to be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterone Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 /signed here And keeping this petition in PvP forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-RANDLE Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 If they reintroduce recruit gear they should add an augment slot for free... Then players can choose whether to fill it or not.... but I don't see a problem with the rest... /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selieth Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 I agree, bolster at 55 is seriously broken and needs to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParagonAX Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MastaKorgy Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 agreed and /singed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 not signed. honestly it annoyed me to no end I had to carry around a seperate set of gear just to be at the base line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectreclees Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Stop signing something you will regret. I'd rather they remove expertise entirely and use the bolster system to give everyone the exact same amount of expertise. Allowing us an even playing field, so we can tweak stats that actually matter to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning_ Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Completely agree with OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsheraII Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 Instead of this boldtering garbage where PvE gear can end up better than PvP gear, simply replace all the non-pvp items "under the hood" with default recruit items in warzones. So no matter what non-pvp item one wears, it will be replaced with a default set of stats. To some that might mean a reduction in stats (though they would get expertise IN EXCHANGE), to others it would mean an overall increase in stats.Whenever the amount of expertise on an item is less than the amount of expertise on the default recruit piece, simply use the stats from the default recruit piece instead. "True" PvP gear would still be better, ofcourse, but the increase in stats could be kept relatively small there, so they might give an edge, but not a guaranteed win. Result: -Not a chance to ever get anyone rofl-stomping a warzone by merrit of some operations gear, or even worse, by merrit of NO gear.-No need for PvP-ers to optimize their gear using PvE barrels etc. from raids. That was a pretty stupid thing that happened at the end of pre-makeb. Now we just need some proper encouragement for those who gathered all their PvP gear to move on to ranked games. Maybe open up ranked for pugs, and whenever a player goes over a certain expertise tresshold, automatically place him/her into the ranked queue instead of the unranked one. All depending on the gear he/she has equiped when signing on. Disable gear switching within the warzone (even before the starts) and when someone switches gear while in queue, have him/her automatically re-que. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParagonAX Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 Stop signing something you will regret. I'd rather they remove expertise entirely and use the bolster system to give everyone the exact same amount of expertise. Allowing us an even playing field, so we can tweak stats that actually matter to us. Yea and in that case BiS PvE gear would be the best pvp gear. Every serious hardcore pvper would have to grind operations to be competitive. Real smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 We all understand bolster is needed for lowbies because of level differences. But for 55's, don't change what wasn't broken before bolster. Improve the old system instead. Scrap bolster for 55's. Give everyone Recruit MK-III for free. Itemization for the Recruit MK-III set: exactly the same stats as Partisan, but blue so you can't augment them. Still big incentives to grind Partisan, but wearing Recruit will be very competitive in WZs. Voila, problem solved? Although I'd prefer fully moddable starting gear (hey, just because it's an entry set doesn't mean that I don't want to minmax it), this solution is definitely viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LingeringDrama Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 /agreed. very simple. very sweet. everyone wins. newbies get a full set of competitive gear. veterans get to grind and min/max a full set of gear to gain a slight edge. very simple. very sweet... of course common sense solutions tend to be simple and sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helig Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) /agreed. very simple. very sweet. everyone wins. newbies get a full set of competitive gear. veterans get to grind and min/max a full set of gear to gain a slight edge. very simple. very sweet... of course common sense solutions tend to be simple and sweet. Well, the problem with gear itself is that more than a few people don't wear, or even get the free Recruit, because reading in-game mail and item tooltips is too hard for them. Dumb people are a dead weight in warzones, but without gear they can't even really be used as meat shields\cannon fodder, because they get cut down in seconds. And that's a problem that new Bolster was supposed to solve. Edited April 19, 2013 by Helig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DkSharktooth Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I believe the main point of the bolster system was to remove the need to make a set appearance and gear for a new recruit set each expansion. Instead the bolster will give stats without having to design a new set of gear. The problem is simply their math. Eliminating bolster and adding recruit gear set doesn't solve the problem. Sorry, but I do not support this thread for these reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegances Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 And invalidate the first tier of pve gear again? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vojtek Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) We all understand bolster is needed for lowbies because of level differences. But for 55's, don't change what wasn't broken before bolster. Improve the old system instead. Scrap bolster for 55's. Give everyone Recruit MK-III for free. Itemization for the Recruit MK-III set: exactly the same stats as Partisan, but blue so you can't augment them. Still big incentives to grind Partisan, but wearing Recruit will be very competitive in WZs. Voila, problem solved? They will not do this. Partisan not augmented is OK for doing HM FP 55lvl - so u have a free gear to do this. It should be on BH level (61) not modable. Edited April 19, 2013 by vojtek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NwahsNirom Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCorporalDan Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 /sign Scrap it... Unneeded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParagonAX Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Completely reworked suggestion, please take a look again and provide suggestions. Edited April 22, 2013 by ParagonAX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JestersRevenge Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Updated: completely reworked suggestion based on this thread. No gear is given out. This suggestion will NOT affect PvE in any way. Scrap bolster for all warzone brackets. When entering warzones: - Have a dialog box pop up with 2 options. - Option 1. Overide stats from gear with standardized, predetermined, competitive PvP stats (could be un-augmented Partisan). Have checkboxes for DPS or tank stats. - Option 2. Use unaltered stats from gear, exactly what the toon is wearing. Default would be Option 1, works for both 55s and lowbies. Suggestions welcome. /bump Simple and effective. Fingers and toes crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParagonAX Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Of course, no patch again for fixing bolster this week. Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majram Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 /sign Superbe suggestion and very simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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