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Its been EWH for a while, just recently got boots to make a complete set, ive never min maxed armor on any toon. I have 9 50's and a lvl 36 operative.

 

The first thing I did was get naked, this has nothing to do with being mad that my gear isn't making me stronger than others in fact ive been winning a lot on imp side which is unusual on my server.

 

But pvp is crazy and its because of an admitted failure. Its not fun. I could win every game its just very wonky and random.

 

You seem to think im angry cuz my gear doesn't make me better. Im angry cuz a known bug that could have been dealt with before going live is making pvp random and un-fun...besides the first 3 WZ's...then the novelty of having NO IDEA whats what wears off quick.

 

I want it fixed. Cuz for 1 toon problem solved when I hit 55 But I have 10 toons...

 

Well, sorry, when you wrote

ruined. I cannot play. I expect from yesterday to the day its fixed to be refunded. Or the days added. YOU KNEW it was messed up and still put it live. I CANNOT PLAY. Feel free to ignore me, Ive subbed since Jan 12''

you sounded angry .:o my bad, I do jump to conclusions to quickly.

 

Yeah, I did some pvp, didn't see point of doing it for now, I maxed out in comms on all my 5 pvp characters any way...

 

Funny, You have 9 50s and 36 operative, I have 9 50s and 35 scoundrel lol :D

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havikoro

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I'm happy with the changes. You are not meant to have pvp gear before 55 now so that is why our current WH gear is useless. Once time passes and all the WH people are 55 and getting the new gear then it won't be that bad. We are now supposed to be using only pve gear pre-55. The only problem is the naked bug. As soon as they fix the naked thing then all will be well. Just give them some time to work on it, im sure it involves a lot of analyzing and time to fix the code

 

It's not that they didnt have months to fix this already :rolleyes:

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I was just sayin all I do is pvp and its pointless and Im paying and BW knew it was already messed up on the pts so I was mad. Just not cuz I wanted to be stompin undergeareds. Most of my toons are undergeared I was just using my EWH sin as example. Pvp gear should be better than...pve gear and nudity lol. Otherwise we come back to why we need expertise at all...

 

Yeah, I went GS and Op. Bet you went sniper and scoundrel...

I never understand the complaining about class balance cuz whichever is better that month I just jump on that one. ;)

 

Well nice to know you are working on it BW. Take your time. lol.

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I was just sayin all I do is pvp and its pointless and Im paying and BW knew it was already messed up on the pts so I was mad. Just not cuz I wanted to be stompin undergeareds. Most of my toons are undergeared I was just using my EWH sin as example. Pvp gear should be better than...pve gear and nudity lol. Otherwise we come back to why we need expertise at all...

 

Yeah, I went GS and Op. Bet you went sniper and scoundrel...

I never understand the complaining about class balance cuz whichever is better that month I just jump on that one. ;)

 

Well nice to know you are working on it BW. Take your time. lol.

 

Actually, I have my operative and sniper for a long long time now. But day 2.0 hitted PTS, I did test, made my calculations, considered possible future buffs and nerfs, maxed out pvp comms, and was left with nothing to do, so just did 4 rep alts, 3 of them are 50 since last week.

 

New PVP gear IS better then nudity and pve for pvp.

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Sorry for my ignorance - I am at work and was unable to play after the emergency patch last night. I had assumed that it was to correct the bolster issue but from what I'm reading it still is the same as when 2.0 launched yesterday?

 

I mean, I can handle it for another week until early release expires. Can't deny how fun it is to take my healing spec'd sage into a huttball and do 500k healing and 500k damage naked. Even respecced a TK/Balance hybrid for a game and was destroying. Nice to smash the smashers for once. Its also making the PvP achievements easier to obtain which I can't say I hate.

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LanceGabriell

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As I said earlier this post I will put some pics...

as I said 6/7 tionese > naked > WH/EWH

 

first pic. I'm in WH/EWH (3 EWH pieces) fully augmented:

http://imageshack.us/f/441/screenshot2013041017175.jpg/

 

In the second pic I'm naked with EWH saberstaff:

http://imageshack.us/f/145/screenshot2013041017181.jpg/

 

In the third pic I have 6 tionese, I forgot to mount the generator (you can see it in the inventory, bottom right), with it I get slightly better stats. Notice the Tionese DBLS:

http://imageshack.us/f/189/screenshot2013041017183.jpg/

 

And the final pic is 5 tionese with EWH saberstaff. Notice that stats are better with Tionese DBLS. This means that the bug is not only relic related and that the issues are way deeper:

http://imageshack.us/f/577/screenshot2013041017184.jpg/

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Wainamoinen

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Naked shouldn't be better than my gear no matter WHAT my gear is and they said IN THE FIRST POST might I add that this is a bug that has not been fixed even after being discovered weeks ago.

 

I should have expected naked lvl 45's to be bolstered ABOVE a lvl 50 with full EWH?

 

Your post makes zero sense. I read all notes when they come out.

 

My EWH gear gives better stats than naked. I've tried out multiple sets and can confirm it with the numbers that drive damage (mainly bonus damage and expertise, also crit chance and crit bonus). Naked with a gun gives more main stat, Endurance and Expertise, but its output is lower.

 

Your EWH gear doesn't give you a massive bonus in Lowbie PvP. That's fine. If you've set it up right it will give you a small advantage. That is also fine. This is a new expansion, with the stated intent to make gear less of an obstacle to even PvP matches, so there is no reason to think your legacy gear entitles you to a massive advantage in this new expansion. If you think it doesn't give you a small advantage, then your gear is poorly set up, you haven't bothered to work out the maths, or your class functions wildly differently to mine.

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As I said earlier this post I will put some pics...

as I said 6/7 tionese > naked > WH/EWH

 

first pic. I'm in WH/EWH (3 EWH pieces) fully augmented:

http://imageshack.us/f/441/screenshot2013041017175.jpg/

 

In the second pic I'm naked with EWH saberstaff:

http://imageshack.us/f/145/screenshot2013041017181.jpg/

 

In the third pic I have 6 tionese, I forgot to mount the generator (you can see it in the inventory, bottom right), with it I get slightly better stats. Notice the Tionese DBLS:

http://imageshack.us/f/189/screenshot2013041017183.jpg/

 

And the final pic is 5 tionese with EWH saberstaff. Notice that stats are better with Tionese DBLS. This means that the bug is not only relic related and that the issues are way deeper:

http://imageshack.us/f/577/screenshot2013041017184.jpg/

 

Bolster doesn't fully boost items you put on after you've entered a warzone. Going by the near-identical pose and location in the shots, I'm guessing you put gear on once inside the WZ. Sorry to say once you've already gone to the effort, but you'd need to go into separate warzones wearing a set and screenshot it once you're inside.

 

I noticed this with my gear - I got higher stats with my EWH gear when I entered a warzone with it than if I put it on in the warzone. I imagine this is to cancel the bolster bug reported on PTS where people would enter, gain bolster, then put gear/mods on once in the instance and get bolster to boost the improved gear.

 

Also noticed that the power I got naked was much lower than with the EWH gear, which neutered much of the bolster improvement on main stat when running naked/undergeared.

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For what it's worth, naked pvp has been the most fun I've had playing for a long time.

 

Suck it up, ditch the clothes, and relax. It's fun.

 

agreed. it's hilarious, fun, and temporary. they know the issue and will fix it eventually.

 

people need to lighten up.

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LanceGabriell

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Bolster doesn't fully boost items you put on after you've entered a warzone. Going by the near-identical pose and location in the shots, I'm guessing you put gear on once inside the WZ. Sorry to say once you've already gone to the effort, but you'd need to go into separate warzones wearing a set and screenshot it once you're inside.

 

I noticed this with my gear - I got higher stats with my EWH gear when I entered a warzone with it than if I put it on in the warzone. I imagine this is to cancel the bolster bug reported on PTS where people would enter, gain bolster, then put gear/mods on once in the instance and get bolster to boost the improved gear.

 

Also noticed that the power I got naked was much lower than with the EWH gear, which neutered much of the bolster improvement on main stat when running naked/undergeared.

 

I entered in the wz with my WH/EWH set on. Without bolstering I get 18548 life. I only switched to naked and tionese inside. And weapons.

What I did noticed too is that sometimes while wearing my set I get different stats though.

 

Also notice that I switched to both weapons inside, the EWH DBLS twice. that beeing the case, in the last 2 pics the tionese DBLS is still better than the EWH one...

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As I said earlier this post I will put some pics...

as I said 6/7 tionese > naked > WH/EWH

 

first pic. I'm in WH/EWH (3 EWH pieces) fully augmented:

http://imageshack.us/f/441/screenshot2013041017175.jpg/

 

In the second pic I'm naked with EWH saberstaff:

http://imageshack.us/f/145/screenshot2013041017181.jpg/

 

In the third pic I have 6 tionese, I forgot to mount the generator (you can see it in the inventory, bottom right), with it I get slightly better stats. Notice the Tionese DBLS:

http://imageshack.us/f/189/screenshot2013041017183.jpg/

 

And the final pic is 5 tionese with EWH saberstaff. Notice that stats are better with Tionese DBLS. This means that the bug is not only relic related and that the issues are way deeper:

http://imageshack.us/f/577/screenshot2013041017184.jpg/

 

 

I hope they actually look into this. So the bolster is actually calculated one time when you enter the WZ.. interesting... as well as you get different stats when switching gear in a Warzone.

 

Honestly they should just communist it up with everyone getting the same stat until 55. This type of buggy bolster system is just going to leave room for exploits.

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And the important part, which the muscoe obviously fails to recognize, isnthatnan 11 with no headgear SHOULD GET RAPED by a 30. They SHOULD NOT be even .

 

actually, it should be more or less even (atleast in stats). this is warzone pvp.

can';t with with equal stats?

 

boo-hoo

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And the important part, which the muscoe obviously fails to recognize, isnthatnan 11 with no headgear SHOULD GET RAPED by a 30. They SHOULD NOT be even .

 

Well, you fail to recognise that someone at L10 has 2 attacks and 1 cc, heck sages dont even have bubble armor nor speed at that level, so even with stats boosted and same they are not equal. If a 30 dies from a 10, then obviously is a L2P issue. Use of caps is also strongly discouraged, particularly when the conclusion is wrong.

 

EDIT: Ah yes. and I'm all for equal stats from level 10 to 55 inclusive.

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LanceGabriell

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actually, it should be more or less even (atleast in stats). this is warzone pvp.

can';t with with equal stats?

 

boo-hoo

 

Actually no they should not!!!

 

Sir William Marshall was not equal on skills and gear after 500 melees with ANY newcomers, nor was Musashi equal in dueling with ANY newcomers after 63 won duels. This is RPG...as in ROLE PLAYING, you play the role of a character that advances, gets better and older, be it PVP or PVE, this is not a FPS. What the higher levels should not be able to do, is to stomp on newcomers, and the newcomers should have a chance if they are more skilled.

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Actually no they should not!!!

 

Sir William Marshall was not equal on skills and gear after 500 melees with ANY newcomers, nor was Musashi equal in dueling with ANY newcomers after 63 won duels. This is RPG...as in ROLE PLAYING, you play the role of a character that advances, gets better and older, be it PVP or PVE, this is not a FPS. What the higher levels should not be able to do, is to stomp on newcomers, and the newcomers should have a chance if they are more skilled.

 

in a open world duel, L 11 wont even hit L30 (for that matter, L 11 won't even hit L 20)

Warzones have different rules.

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That is why I mentioned melees and duels, not war...My point stands.

 

then it's like you said. if Coruscant my L 35 scoundrel will get requested for a duel from a L 11 player, he won't even touch me, while I spam 'default attack' button, and same will happen if I request a duel from L 50 character.

 

I don't see where you have a problem with a system that works way you want it.

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And the important part, which the muscoe obviously fails to recognize, isnthatnan 11 with no headgear SHOULD GET RAPED by a 30. They SHOULD NOT be even .

 

Exactly. The whole issue is this stupid emphasis on fairness. Nothing is fair, nor should it be. If you decide to queue up for warzones as a level 16, there is no reason in the world that you should have any expectation of competing with the higher levels in the zone. It's just a by-product of today's entitlement mentality. It makes zero sense. The only reasonable expectation they should have is that they will earn some XP and comms.

 

i can't believe how many major errors and issues BW/EA creates trying to implement a system that is impossible to justify. Namely, a socialistic philosophy of punishing achievement to even the playing field for those that don't have a realistic claim to have that level playing field. Quit whining, level up, and then you'll have the "advantage" as the player who took his lumps and leveled his toon up.

 

In short, the idea is, "how can we make sure those that haven't put in as much time as someone else can have just as many advantages as the fool ...er.. player... who put in lots of time and effort ot secure the gear for which we intend to punish them?"

 

Doesn't that sound crazy? It is, and that's why you get a poorly conceived and implemented system that results in naked pvp when mistakenly taken to it's absurd extreme.

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So all of these hours we put in to getting WH and EWH, especially those that wanted to get it before Bioware took it away, just wasted how many hours of our lives? And now you make pre-55 expertise useless? I am beyond pissed off. Keep PVP the same way it was, just make it 50-55. Bioware logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Get ready to see a lot of subscribers dropping. You clearly have no idea what the hell you are doing.
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