There are 2 non-entry sets for PVP at 55..how difficult was to introduce a recruit set for level 55 between EWH and Partisan? Or as someone else suggested in this rather long thread, make the EWH the default recruit set for 55? Furthermore they had the experience of the level 50 recruit set. Even more how difficult was to maintain the level 10-49 pvp bracket (which was ok more or less) and add a new level 50-54 bracket where the only bolster is based on leveling stats bolstering (give the same level stats to a char lvl 50 as to a level 54)? But noooo...hey simple functional solutions are not viable... Instead of that they chosed to reinvent the wheel, and even though the bolster fiasco was reported on PTS they went ahead at launch with it. I have been playing/paying this game since day one, and it's a nice game storywise, but let's face it...they suck at PVP (take into account the Ilum Fiasco and both it's FPS's as well).

I liked especially the part with "recruit gear not tested"...

I'm getting raped by pve premades...tanks with 35k life and 1800k expertise...I have to attack them with 5 partisans and rest WH/EWH...24k life...1949 EXP...TOTK just got worse!!!

Ppl decked in PVE gear do bash warzones right now (until patch atleast)...or do you think I had the "luck" to run in one of the only 3-4 assassins tanks worldwide that are in full conquerer and 35k life? (this at lvl 55 not 50-54) Bolster bolsters ppl to below partisan lvl. At level 54 the people who worked their arse off for EWH are subpar against greenies... You are trolling sir, considering even BW admited they screwed up!

Thanks for your time answering Cashogy. So I will still play naked 3 hours from now May the force be with you in your endeavours. I wanted to say good luck but we all know there is no such thing

I haven't read all the post after page 60 or so, read the dev tracker... just a quick question... Is the bolster system supposed to work now at lvl 55? Cause I still got 26k life and 2003 EXP on my naked and 3partisan outfit vs 24k and 1913 with my WH/EWH outfit (and the 3 partisans). That was yesterday evening (14th of april around 5-9PM GMT). Was this implemented, or is in the course of beeing implemented? Reffering to the long devtracker post.

That is why I mentioned melees and duels, not war...My point stands.

Actually no they should not!!! Sir William Marshall was not equal on skills and gear after 500 melees with ANY newcomers, nor was Musashi equal in dueling with ANY newcomers after 63 won duels. This is RPG...as in ROLE PLAYING, you play the role of a character that advances, gets better and older, be it PVP or PVE, this is not a FPS. What the higher levels should not be able to do, is to stomp on newcomers, and the newcomers should have a chance if they are more skilled.

I entered in the wz with my WH/EWH set on. Without bolstering I get 18548 life. I only switched to naked and tionese inside. And weapons. What I did noticed too is that sometimes while wearing my set I get different stats though. Also notice that I switched to both weapons inside, the EWH DBLS twice. that beeing the case, in the last 2 pics the tionese DBLS is still better than the EWH one...

As I said earlier this post I will put some pics... as I said 6/7 tionese > naked > WH/EWH first pic. I'm in WH/EWH (3 EWH pieces) fully augmented: http://imageshack.us/f/441/screenshot2013041017175.jpg/ In the second pic I'm naked with EWH saberstaff: http://imageshack.us/f/145/screenshot2013041017181.jpg/ In the third pic I have 6 tionese, I forgot to mount the generator (you can see it in the inventory, bottom right), with it I get slightly better stats. Notice the Tionese DBLS: http://imageshack.us/f/189/screenshot2013041017183.jpg/ And the final pic is 5 tionese with EWH saberstaff. Notice that stats are better with Tionese DBLS. This means that the bug is not only relic related and that the issues are way deeper: http://imageshack.us/f/577/screenshot2013041017184.jpg/

you are making yet another post about an issue that the devs already admited as bugged. And you are either trolling or utterly wrong. lvl 50 pvp gear > lvl 49 pvp gear and so on. By the same logic the lvl 49s before expansion should've fought naked against the level 11s. As far as I remeber level 49s were dominating that bracket. As far as how many level 54s or 50s or whatever are on which team (aswell as setups) is another discussion related to team balance (which was never ok) not gear. so Suck it up, bolstering it will be fixed.

another sidenote considering TTK. They can remove the bloody resolve bar altogether now...

I don't think that the bug is only based on naked or relics...or diminishing returns on mods 7 of my tionese pieces (rest naked) > naked (EWH SS) > full augmented WH/EWH (3 EWH, including Stalker Saberstaff) more importantly my Tionese DBLS > EWH SS. Is this because my EWH has 4 mods (augmented) with more stats and therefore the diminishing returns kick in? Maybe I'll post some pics this evening when I get home.

you do know that they admited that is bugged and they are working to fix it no?

Naah... They could've kept the old level 10-49 bolster system that was functional. All they had to do after the new system was reported as horrible on PTS, was to keep the old lvl 50 pvp gear (with one vendor selling recruit for cash/quest and another one selling EWH for a few WZ comms), add a new level 50-54 pvp bracket, with a bolster system based only on base leveling stats, and ofcourse the new level 55 bracket with the new gear. Instead of that they decided to go live with a broken system. Yet again. Go figure...

yeah...they also fixed Ilum PVP area...............

/drums... wait...wait...I HAD OVER 9000!!!! with 7 tionese pieces (no other gear at all) on shadow strike.

yeah...seriously :/ 1914 expertise on my WH/EWH set (3 EWH pieces, rest WH), 2004 expertise with 7 tionese pieces (not 6, sorry) and naked for the rest edit: not to post again What was the reason for the Ilum PVP fiasco at launch? I do know that SWTOR is PVE oriented, but I seriously wonder, without over criticising, who is doing the pvp testing?! Do they have PVP testing?! Was this issue/bug present on the public test servers or it just popped up now?! and if it was present on PTS why did they launched it with bugs?...again?

in with my 2 cents...or was it 5? my 6 tionese pieces bought with the 99 comendations (those from the quest after finnishing lvl 50) > naked > EWH/WH some weird dude was "arguing" that the WH/EWH gear is obsolete and it does no longer exist!!! how about pvping in 6 tionese PVE (does this one exist anymore?) gear with 25k life vs naked 24k life vs 19k life in full pvp gear. It makes no sense that the gear that is is no longer up for sale (by no means obsolete until you get another superior pvp gear) but designed for a specific purpose is now inferior to the gear that was not designed for that purpose. Or no gear at all. That argument is as idiotic as saying that because a Shelby GT500 from 1969 is no longer produced and obsolete, I should therefore buy a Smart if I want speed and muscle...

half an hour debuff... stingy enough not to do it, but ok for those with legitimate reasons. I've seen some peeps saying that they better leave than leech. Leechers can and should be reported. There is also the kick vote available, which should also be used in this context, and the leecher should automaticly receives the debuff. I'm tired of joining battles I had no part in it's failure, and then just waisting time there trying to turn it around.

I'm on Scepter of Ragnos (Eu). Second char rep on lvl 50. Leveling up my second lvl50 I only met an imp on some caves in Hoth (not counting when I deliberetly went to the imp sector in voss ka). No open world PVP otherwise. Finding groups for warzones is really difficult, and when you do, 2 reps against 8 imp warheroes on huttball, we get destroyed and 0 warzone commendations. One way to improve overall PVP (because atleast rep side SoR is totally dead), would be to open the fleets to enemy factions, capitol worlds, make quest givers killable and reward Warzone commendation for open world kills in a 5 level range. As it is now is rather difficult for me to log in for warzones knowing I will be horribly destroyed, at best in a 6 man group against full warheroes groups. I'm stubborn, but logging now and getting destroyed for 2 hours to get 150 warzone comms is bordering to stupidity. Not counting the long queues. Few questionable decisions along the time considering overall pvp in my opinion: 1. the ability to switch sides on PVP servers. We started outnumbered 2.5-3 on rep side, even more switched to imps on SoR to join the winning side (those that did not left the server) 2. Making most enemy bases, population nodes, not attackable, or with distances way to big to actually encourage such an endeavour. 3. too few intersection nodes for players (few on Tatooine, Alderaan, Hoth and Voss) combined with a low population on servers. 4. Why was the players number limit removed in warzones? Now I have to stay and get destroyed for 15 minutes even if we are 4-5 players undergeared? 5. Still no deserter debuff. 6. no incentive for open world PVP (give warzones comss!). 7. weird rewarding system for warzones. Favoures the outnumbering faction, and the geared players way too much. I repeat 2 vs 8 warheroes, offcourse we get destroyed in 5 mins (huttball), but really, 0 commendations even if I inficted some damage? or 6 vs 8 (civil war),15 commendations? they get what?..100? overall impression. This game is not for PVPers at the moment. Unless they do some massive changes including Open world PVP (at the moment judging by SoR, I don't even know why they bothered making PVP and PVE servers, they are all PVE servers more or less), and considering the disaster with warzones I won't bother for long. I will log in once a day for 1h getting destroyed for 50 comms then I go to another game. I wait for the warzone cross server patiently but at the moment I feel like a masochist. I admit that the thought of cancelling my subscription occured to me but I still have hopes. Sorry for the long rant.

use combat technique on elites not shadow (yeah I know it sucks, I want to play as a rogue not a tank). always interrupt their casts (mind snap, if on cooldown, use a CC, low slash, force stun etc.)...don't try to burst them down, try to outlive them by always interrupting and CC them...

I get the same issues... most of the time atleast in warzones I don't even bother anymore....just run around with my mouse spamming clarvoyant strike, project and force breach. Trying to get positional attacks in is a joke, not mentioning that the damage is also sub par considering the difficulty to land one in, and comparing it with the scrapper initial burst for example. We kindda draw the short stick... works better on open world PVP...

I had 4 fps on average yesterday on Ilum in the reps base...granted we were around ten and they were around 50 or so couldn't actually count them...the screen was all red more or less... So I think it matters where you are

the new notes include some Jaesa notes, nothing about Kira... http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1584114#edit1584114 they do say "additional notes" so those might be added to the old ones from the test servers?...remains to be seen...