Dealing with Ninjaloot in FP PuG's?

[Themanthatisi]

You understand both sides but still behave poorly, which means you are the worse kind of person to play with.

Just stick to solo content or two man heroics with your wife, honestly you'll end up on so many ignore lists it will probably be your only option.

 

I have to laugh because my msg is not read properly or my wording sucks... on only 2 occasions I choose Need and they were both for a WB where the others were higher level, as was I. My wife and I can do Heroic 4's without others and yes, we get to keep ALL the loot and will keep avoiding team play until the system does a better job of rewarding.

 

Its the unbalance of drops that keep us from group play, I am not interested in doing many to come out with one or 2 green drops... I rather pass on them and turn down offers many times from people wanting to join us.. With me a Tank and her a Healer on both factions, we are asked constantly and we continue to say no, it’s better than watching someone else make out with a bunch of loot and her and I scrape up the crumbs.

 

When we play with others, we follow the honor system except for the 2 occasions for WB.... but on a WB where we were all higher level than the gear, guess what...I choose NEED. Just because someone is of the class don’t give them the right to the gear they can’t use anyway and will just sell on GTN....

 

On another WB, it happened another needed the item as they were low enough level to use it and I GAVE it to them.... When you have a huge OPS I am not going to figure out who actually needed it for real, but if you ask, you shall receive as long as you genuinely needed it. If it’s a lvl 24 drop and you’re a 50, to me... FAIR GAME! This was a PUG as well…. If I was in a Guild, which by choice we do not want to be in one…yet, then that will change to the full honor system, even for a WB where we are all higher lvl than the drop.

 

just last night we had another going PLEASE a few times to want to join us, yes it would help get through a Heroic 4 with them, but If we can do it without the help even if it takes longer and we have to die a few more times, so what... the pay, when it’s over, selling the drops is worth the extra effort.

 

I never said the need/greed honor system is bad.... the SYSTEM itself, in the game, is not fair so we play accordingly to the system that is designed into the game. Let’s face it, one ORANGE drop for 8 people in a OPS is insane anyway, that means 7 people got nothing with selling or using. What is fair about that?

 

Maybe the system should be looked at instead of these posts every week with the same complaint, which are ALSO valid complaints.

 

I never stated being fair in a group is wrong…. So, we will avoid as many as possible and when we join them after 50, when we are all equally high level in high lvl areas, for the sake of community, we will use the need/greed according to the rules we set before the mission with the others in the group.

 

For example, if we were to have another join us for a Heroic 4, we would greed when necessary, but I can admit, I don’t like sharing those very limited Orange drops.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Themanthatisi

[RorCorps]

I have to laugh... on only 2 ocasions I choose Need and my wife and I can do Heroic 4's without others and yes, we get to keep ALL the loot and will keep avoiding team play until the system does a better job of rewarding. Its the unbalance of drops that keep us from group play, I am not interested in doing many to come out with one or 2 green drops... I rather pass on them and turn down offers many times.. With me a Tank and her a Healer on both factions, we are asked consytantly and we continue to say no, its better then watching soneone else make out with a bunch of loot while others get the shaft....

 

When we play with others, we follow the honor system except for the 2 ocasions for WB.... but on a WB where we were all higher level than the gear, guess what...I choose NEED. Just because someone is of the class dont give them the right to the gear they cant use anyway and will just sell on GTN.... On another WB, it happened another needed the item as they were low enough level to use it and I GAVE it to them.... When you have a huge OPS I am not going to figure out who actually needed it for real, but if you ask, you shall receive as long as you genuinely needed it. If its a lvl 24 drop and your a 50, to me... FAIR GAME!

 

I get it. Your solution to ninja looting is to ninja loot, and give it back when you're called on it (IE somebody does in fact need it as an upgrade.)

 

It's actually a good solution as long as you're not a D bag about people actually needing the upgrade I guess.

 

However, you and your wife play duo pretty much solely it seems. Why you're commenting on a thread about Ninja looting in PUGS (which you admittedly rarely do) is beyond me. What you do is more likely to cause grief and annoyance, when you could greed on anything you don't actually need and have the SAME CHANCE as everyone else who greeds the roll.

 

You needing on boss loot when everybody else assumes the GREED roll is for getting a chance at discarded equipment to sell on the GTN or whatever without actually telling anybody this before hand gives you an advantage at the roll, thus pushing everybody else into the position of not getting loot that you're whining about.

[Themanthatisi]

I get it. Your solution to ninja looting is to ninja loot, and give it back when you're called on it (IE somebody does in fact need it as an upgrade.)

 

It's actually a good solution as long as you're not a D bag about people actually needing the upgrade I guess.

 

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In many PUG's not everyone will be fair and making posts about it will NOT solve ANYTHING. the distribution system for orange drops or rares is IMO, way too limited. Why should a WB that takes 8 people to kill only give a single blue and orange drop?

I rather take a shot at the drop and if someone was to say, hey, I can use that.... you know what, they can have it as long as that is their class for the drop, no questions asked. I wold never tall someone to screw off, its mine.... BUT I will try to make money when I can for the effort.

 

Now with the CM making money for gear, I doubt we will ever see larger drop amounts, so we have to live in a unfair syatem but no one ever said life was fair. Unless your a socialist that feels no one shold be riich either... If I can only use the "need" system for my pay at work... lol.

 

I commented in this post because the system itself DISCOURAGES group play, at least during leveling and if the system can be changed, well, I am all for it so may as well get involved.

 

so in a way, my solution is to NEED on some ocasions in a PUG.... You can't control others, but I can control how I play and who genuinely gets the loot if they need it. The other person choosing Need, may not be so nice in giving it away.

 

Even my wife hates grouping, this is how we make money (sellign orange drops)... Even when we play together (just us 2), we need on everything and sort it out later, keeps us from getting bogged down figuring out the loot during the mission. We love the Heroic 4's without others, its just much easier to deal with the loot and more profitable.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Themanthatisi

[siikriken]

I understand what you are saying.... Good thing I play this like a RPG, so my need for grouping is very limited.

 

like I also mention though, why should ONE person get the goodie and another does not? Is walking away without anything good? Who is to say, that person that has the proper drop for their class wont also sell it for 250k? So, in a way, they got a 250k pay for a fight and others do not? Was it fair for me to take the drop? Thats is up for debate...

 

I have Armor I like the look of, so even for my guy, if I get a orange drop, I sell it. In reality, its not a fair system, so in a way, I can understand the lack of fairness for loot.... both sides have a valid point.

 

Now for life after 50, if I do get into it, I will go with the "HONOR' system.... but I will avoid groups as much as I can, I play this game like its KOTOR3, the mmo part, its just a side feature I am not sure I will use much anyway. My wife and I tried a Guild, to us, it did not feel like we wanted that in our game... maybe its our age, I am 44, she is 43 and we grew up playing single player RPG's and never really got into anything MMO.

 

However, we are loving playing together, so we like it as a RPG that 2 can play... Obviously, after lvl 50, we probably have to play it like a MMO to enjoy it, we will see. I am working on avoiding that part and seeing what we can enjoy without needing to be in huge groups.

 

I can understand both sides.

 

You sound like a child. This sort of ITS NOT FAIR attitude is for children. You can run flash points over again to get the gear you want WITHOUT screwing someone over by taking gear that they actually need.

 

You're screwing people over because its not fair, so you're being unfair because its unfair?

 

Great logic. You should move to China where everything is "fair"

[justiceface]

In many PUG's not everyone will be fair and making posts about it will NOT solve ANYTHING. the distribution system for orange drops or rares is IMO, way too limited. Why should a WB that takes 8 people to kill only give a single blue and orange drop?

I rather take a shot at the drop and if someone was to say, hey, I can use that.... you know what, they can have it as long as that is their class for the drop, no questions asked. I wold never tall someone to screw off, its mine.... BUT I will try to make money when I can for the effort.

 

Now with the CM making money for gear, I doubt we will ever see larger drop amounts, so we have to live in a unfair syatem but no one ever said life was fair. Unless your a socialist that feels no one shold be riich either... If I can only use the "need" system for my pay at work... lol.

 

I commented in this post because the system itself DISCOURAGES group play, at least during leveling and if the system can be changed, well, I am all for it so may as well get involved.

 

The system doesn't discourage group play, you just don't understand the system. Needing on a drop you don't need is poor behavior and you become the reason people complain about groups. As I and other people have mentioned, if we saw you do this you would be blocked and our guild members would be told to avoid you because you need on drops that you don't need or drops that should be fair game(greed option).

[DarthTHC]

I care very little about the drops that aren't already BOP.

 

People aren't needing to GTN stuff. They're needing to be rude.

[Themanthatisi]

The system doesn't discourage group play, you just don't understand the system. Needing on a drop you don't need is poor behavior and you become the reason people complain about groups. As I and other people have mentioned, if we saw you do this you would be blocked and our guild members would be told to avoid you because you need on drops that you don't need or drops that should be fair game(greed option).

 

Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

 

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

 

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

 

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

 

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

 

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

 

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you? I rather live in a capitolist system, where we earn and keep our money and if I choose to DONATE, I will DONATE. I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....

Edited February 11, 2013 by Themanthatisi

[Icestar]

The Flashpoints, Operations, and Heroic Missions part of this forum has alot of constructive feedback that is very valuable for Bioware regarding how to handle ninjalooting, and many good constructive suggestions for improved lootsystems.

 

I sincerely hope they read it because it contains exactly the feedback they have been asking for.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Icestar

[justiceface]

Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

 

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

 

It discourages YOU from group play. The rest of us are fine with grouping for heroics/FPs and not grabbing loot we don't need. Also these posts aren't about "wahhh I can't get drops" they're complaining about people taking things they dont need which actually does discourage people from group play.

[siikriken]

Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

 

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

 

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

 

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

 

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

 

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

 

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you?

 

I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....

 

"Wahh it's not fair that other people get loot that they need and I get nothing! so i'll just be a ninja and need on everything so i can sell it on the gtn because its orange and I want orange gear because its only fair!"

 

I like how you're talking about socialism but you're the one crying about fairness and want free handouts for doing flashpoints and heroics

[Themanthatisi]

"Wahh it's not fair that other people get loot that they need and I get nothing! so i'll just be a ninja and need on everything so i can sell it on the gtn because its orange and I want orange gear because its only fair!"

 

I like how you're talking about socialism but you're the one crying about fairness and want free handouts for doing flashpoints and heroics

 

WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....

thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

 

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

 

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

 

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

 

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

 

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.

 

Socialism, would not being part of the mission at all and still expecting somethign... the people in the 8 person OPS all put in effort, they should all get paid.. no one said FREE for anything... socialiest want soemthign for nothing.

 

In saying that, I still see the point as valid for both side, in this game.... Why, because the system has a boss that cant pay for all the workers. So people are crying about theft (ninja's).... Yes, they ALSO have a valid point.

 

So, would you go to work hoping to get paid?

Edited February 11, 2013 by Themanthatisi

[justiceface]

Yes, it does DISCOURAGE group play, the drops are too limited... has nothign to do with need/greed. NOTHING at all, its about the drops..... Not enough of them will lead to these posts weekly and why people do the need instead of greed.

 

If we can do Heroic 4's and get the drops for ourself, then thats what we do.... To use, we are discouraged by the lack of drops to want to share them. So the solution, avoid grouping for leveling up.

 

My 2 references, the only 2 I have made to using GREED was 2 PUG's for a WB..... Where have I posted anyting on small groups or guild play? I am talking about a situation where the WB drop is much lower then the people in it anyway.... and tryign to figure out who will use need/greed properly will again, cause these posts to surface.

 

go ahead, make thousands of people use the system as it "should" be used and you will continue to find ones who will not....

 

So if you and your neighbor buys a lottery ticket at the same time and he wins big, will you cry about it being unfair? Why, because he picked his right before you did? LIFE is not fair but you work within it to make sure you can live and be happy... the game itself, has an unfair loot distribution, just like NOT everyone can have a winning lottery ticket... make due!

 

I think the children are the ones complaining.... I am 44, she is 43... we life live by ITS rules and laws, not our own.

 

You sound like the people that vote for a socialist president because ITS NOT FAIR others make more money and have nicer cars. That you deserve other people earnings.... Do you? I rather live in a capitolist system, where we earn and keep our money and if I choose to DONATE, I will DONATE. I thnk it would be better if the only options was pass/need, remove the greed option.... like lottery, you win or you do not or you do not play, simple....

 

Who said I deserve anything? Who said anyone does? Reread your own posts you're the one saying "the system isn't fair so it's ok for me to be an ******e".

 

And please shut up about socialism if you don't actually understand the system, which judging from your posts about the loot system is probably another in long list of systems you don't understand.

[siikriken]

WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....

thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

 

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

 

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

 

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

 

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

 

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.

People do World Bosses and FP's / Heroics mostly for Experience though. If you haven't noticed you can go like 5 levels without upgrading any gear and still be fine, so in fact you're just being greedy. You get massively more XP from doing the FP's and group quests so that in itself is a bonus, so you're not losing anything you're still gaining much more than you would if you played alone.

 

Part of playing with other people is learning to share. I know you're old but can you remember when your mother told you to share your army men with the neighbor boy? Since you can't do that you should obviously just continue to play with your wife in solitude.

[justiceface]

WRONG! By choosing NEED you get your fair shot.... you lose, you move on. The Fairness was having a chance to get it.....

thats was IMO, fair enough. But since the drops are limited, avoiding group play has become very desirable... Like if my boss says, we can hire another person for your team, but you have to take a loss of pay.... Guess what, I rather keep my pay and NOT have the help.

 

You mised the point completely..... The big fish eats the little fish, this is life my friend.

 

When talking about a world boss and 6 of 8 got nothing for their effort, thats like going to work for no pay too.... but in dog eat dog system, the one in the game, the strongest one, or in this case, the one that has MORE LUCK is who wins.

 

So, if someone offered you work but they can only afford to pay 2 of you, but there is 8 of you, do you take the job?

 

Yep, avoid grouping until the boss has the money to pay is NOT socialism and fairness in any system is getting paid for work you did, you take that way and guess what folks.... YOU GET THEFT!!!

 

The game system is broken.... period! If based on real life, all employess should get paid for the same work, pay may not be equal, but thats ok... Not every orange drops sells for the same on GTN.

 

You should definitely compare playing video games to work because it makes a ton of sense.

[Themanthatisi]

Who said I deserve anything? Who said anyone does? Reread your own posts you're the one saying "the system isn't fair so it's ok for me to be an ******e".

 

And please shut up about socialism if you don't actually understand the system, which judging from your posts about the loot system is probably another in long list of systems you don't understand.

 

If you did a better job of understanding why I write then this would not be the case.... I very much understand the system and the system has a boss that lacks funds to pay up....So we get ninja's and we complain....

 

You are not going to change the midset of people, but you can make laws... since this topic comes up often, maybe its time fro a change in the system. Until that happens you will get this problem.... it will NOT go away.

[Themanthatisi]

You should definitely compare playing video games to work because it makes a ton of sense.

 

It does, the camparison is an example of... human nature! Just because its a game will not change human behaviour. But you think it should.....

 

Ok, explain to me how you will do this? Force all ninja's to have their accounts suspended? Like jail time?

 

Or do we fix the system in the game? You do not like the comparison because you want OTHERS to hand over the loot to you....Why, simply because that lvl 24 drop for your lvl 50 char should go to you because its that same class? I think thats insane.....Nope, I will roll need in a situation like that and take my "fair" shot at it. the fairness part was done by rolling the dice....

[MGriffith]

I understand what you are saying.... Good thing I play this like a RPG, so my need for grouping is very limited.

 

Probably should not say what I think of this attitude.

 

like I also mention though, why should ONE person get the goodie and another does not?

 

You really should be old enough to realise that life is not fair. And if you are not then mommy should not let you play a game with a T rating. Doing a flashpoint or ops or even a heroic mission does not entitle you to anything, and if the only reason you have to join a group is to make money and 'the rest of the players be bleeped' then you really are playing for all the wrong reasons.

[Master-Nala]

Get rid of player controlled loot distribution in Flashpoints altogether, and implement lootbags instead. Give each player the exact same BoP item, no matter what drops. Problem solved.

Can't use the item you got? Then put it on a companion or vendorize it.

 

Best idea.

[justiceface]

It does, the camparison is an example of... human nature! Just because its a game will not change human behaviour. But you think it should.....

 

Ok, explain to me how you will do this? Force all ninja's to have their accounts suspended? Like jail time?

 

Or do we fix the system in the game? You do not like the comparison because you want OTHERS to hand over the loot to you....Why, simply because that lvl 24 drop for your lvl 50 char should go to you because its that same class? I think thats insane.....Nope, I will roll need in a situation like that and take my "fair" shot at it. the fairness part was done by rolling the dice....

 

It's a not a fair rolling of the dice when you choose "need" and everyone else does what is expected and chooses "greed" because they don't need the drop. Just be honest and say you don't understand how this system works so you can stop embarrassing yourself with these ridiculous posts.

[Themanthatisi]

Probably should not say what I think of this attitude.

 

 

 

You really should be old enough to realise that life is not fair. And if you are not then mommy should not let you play a game with a T rating. Doing a flashpoint or ops or even a heroic mission does not entitle you to anything, and if the only reason you have to join a group is to make money and 'the rest of the players be bleeped' then you really are playing for all the wrong reasons.

 

The most fair system to be in place, with limited drops would be to REMOVE the greed option....

No one said being entitled, but I will NOT give away what I can possible earn.... But if I go to work, I expect to be paid. If I cant be paid for a mission, so be it... Ill roll the dice if I feel I want the drop (pay). Entitled would be not doing the mission and expecting pay..... Yes, you go to WORK, you get paid. So, I work alone as much as possible, because unfortunatly, there is NOT equal pay in the game with drops... and some are worth lots. The MOST FAIR SYSTEM would be for all to roll the dice on it and if you choose to do so, you can give it away.

 

Your the entitled one that wants others to help you on a mission so YOU can get the drop.... Roll the dice, if you lose, move on.

 

We are referrign to a PUG with people you have no idea how they will roll.... and there is not enough drops to go around, thats called feast or famine situation and you should try that one in real life sometime.... Then you will understand my point perhaps.

 

I just love this... people trying to get fairness in a system designed to not be fair.... You should all really think about that when you go in a PUG. Unless its all yoru guild buddies and you all worked out a system, then you better expect someone will need on the items, BESIDES you....

 

Some of the ones really complaining are just sore they lost the dice roll perhaps????? Maybe???

 

Makes me wonder.... I wonder of we all had to choose NEED (no greed option) would the complaints then be, there are not enough drops.

 

IMO, there shold be more drops from a WB that it took 8 to bring down....Or leave it to chance, but DO NOT complain someone else won it.

[Themanthatisi]

It's a not a fair rolling of the dice when you choose "need" and everyone else does what is expected and chooses "greed" because they don't need the drop. Just be honest and say you don't understand how this system works so you can stop embarrassing yourself with these ridiculous posts.

 

Ok, you go ahead and make sure everyone understand the system..... I am sure you have the ability to change how people will be, just because you are right and I am wrong.

 

I MADE a decision to NEED because I wanted it..... Yep, I fully understand how it works and if I lose out, I move on.. not get online to complain it was stolen from another class in a PUG.

 

Since you are so smart, what is your solution?

Besides making sure everyone plays by YOUR rules.... Give a good example how to fix the system, because you will not fix the people based on yoru moral standards of how the game should be played. Much easier to find a real solution....

 

Really paople? Where is the MMO rule book? I would like a copy to read....

[justiceface]

The most fair system to be in place, with limited drops would be to REMOVE the greed option....

No one said being entitled, but I will NOT give away what I can possible earn.... But if I go to work, I expect to be paid. If I cant be paid for a mission, so be it... Ill roll the dice if I feel I want the drop (pay). Entitled would be not doing the mission and expecting pay..... Yes, you go to WORK, you get paid. So, I work alone as much as possible, because unfortunatly, there is NOT equal pay in the game with drops... and some are worth lots. The MOST FAIR SYSTEM would be for all to roll the dice on it and if you choose to do so, you can give it away.

 

Your the entitled one that wants others to help you on a mission so YOU can get the drop.... Roll the dice, if you lose, move on.

 

We are referrign to a PUG with people you have no idea how they will roll.... and there is not enough drops to go around, thats called feast or famine situation and you should try that one in real life sometime.... Then you will understand my point perhaps.

 

I just love this... people trying to get fairness in a system designed to not be fair.... You should all really think about that when you go in a PUG. Unless its all yoru guild buddies and you all worked out a system, then you better expect someone will need on the items, BESIDES you....

 

Some of the ones really complaining are just sore they lost the dice roll perhaps????? Maybe???

 

Makes me wonder.... I wonder of we all had to choose NEED (no greed option) would the complaints then be, there are not enough drops.

 

IMO, there shold be more drops from a WB that it took 8 to bring down....Or leave it to chance, but DO NOT complain someone else won it.

 

lol. Seriously dude we get it, you don't understand the MMO loot system, every post you make just reinforces that point.

[Themanthatisi]

Probably should not say what I think of this attitude.

 

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Why not, when many of us only wanted KOTOR 3 and you have way more RPG fans in this game then many other MMO games, because of its story..

 

Are you are one of them people that I am sure will spacebar all things just to get to the end game....

 

The MMO part, thats a side feature... This game is very playable without any grouping.

[Themanthatisi]

lol. Seriously dude we get it, you don't understand the MMO loot system, every post you make just reinforces that point.

 

Yes I do... Need overrules Greed (like loaded dice and the need dice will win out)....

 

But I said enough, you can all go ahead and gripe. Guess what, it will keep happening until the system gets changed. Maybe you can make a police guild and run around fining people that won on a need roll....

[MGriffith]

The most fair system to be in place, with limited drops would be to REMOVE the greed option....

No one said being entitled, but I will NOT give away what I can possible earn....

 

Yes, we already got it that you tend to be selfish and greedy. No need to rephrase that in even more words.

I mean, you can justify it for yourself all you want, but don't expect me to swallow that load of ...