Revisiting An in-depth look at: Revan

[Rayla_Felana]

He was at the level of Jedi Master and could hold his own against a Sith Emperor.

 

No he very clearly couldn't, nobody could, only the Hero of Tython has that distinction.

[Swarlesx]

No he very clearly couldn't, nobody could, only the Hero of Tython has that distinction.

 

Never said he beat the Emperor but the fact that he wasn't killed in a split second like the three Jedi Sidious took down shows that he is strong.

[Aurbere]

Your twisting the idea of using and having knowledge of. Revan became very powerful in the dark side at one point of his life. Despite being a Jedi he would still have the knowledge of those abilities. He may not be able to use them to the fullest but he still knows of his powers. And in Star Wars knowledge is power.

 

You can say what you want about his tactics but many characters in the game praise him and you can say "character statement" but some of those character experienced his tactics first hand. I trust what they say.

 

I would not call him god but I would not call him "Average". He was at the level of Jedi Master and could hold his own against a Sith Emperor. Something that only and hand full of Jedi can claim. I would not put him on the same level as Luke or Sidious but I would call him above average compared to most Jedi.

 

How was I confusing using and knowing?

 

Perhaps average was too strong of a word, but there comes a point where Revan becomes obsolete. Be it Lightsaber skills or Force power. He was a real force in his time, but eventually he becomes obsolete to future generations. Like Satele and Malgus.

 

And about the Emperor fight. He didn't really hold his own. He was losing most of the fight, then the Oneness happens. Once Revan becomes a vessel of the Force, he begins to batter away at the Emperor. But once it ended and the Emperor was still standing, Revan got beat. His moment of Oneness was the only highpoint in that duel for him.

[Aurbere]

Never said he beat the Emperor but the fact that he wasn't killed in a split second like the three Jedi Sidious took down shows that he is strong.

 

The three Jedi Sidious killed were three of the most powerful Jedi in the Order. But they didn't expect Sidious to move so fast. They didn't even have time to lift their Lightsabers before he cut them down. That shows how powerful and skilled Sidious was.

[Rayla_Felana]

Never said he beat the Emperor but the fact that he wasn't killed in a split second like the three Jedi Sidious took down shows that he is strong.

 

His moment of oneness gave him the upper-hand, till the Emperor's bolt nearly killed him, it took the destruction of T3-M4 and the death of the Exile to save him from certain death at the Emperor's hands.

 

Oh and please don't compare Vitiate vs Scourge, Revan, Surik and T3 to Sidious vs Tiin, Kolar, Fisto and Windu.

 

You're jumping into entirely different leagues there.

[Aurbere]

His moment of oneness gave him the upper-hand, till the Emperor's bolt nearly killed him, it took the destruction of T3-M4 and the death of the Exile to save him from certain death at the Emperor's hands.

 

Oh and please don't compare Vitiate vs Scourge, Revan, Surik and T3 to Sidious vs Tiin, Kolar, Fisto and Windu.

 

You're jumping into entirely different leagues there.

 

^This.

 

Revan was pretty much done for without Oneness, T3 and Surik. Once the Oneness ended, T3 got destroyed, and Surik got killed, Revan was pretty much done for. His goose was cooked, so to speak.

 

And I agree. The EP. 3 battle is in an entirely different league than the Revan battle. Not only could Sidious give Vitiate the beat down, but Mace Windu could beat Revan, Scourge, Surik and T3 all by himself. totally different leagues.

[Swarlesx]

How was I confusing using and knowing?

 

Perhaps average was too strong of a word, but there comes a point where Revan becomes obsolete. Be it Lightsaber skills or Force power. He was a real force in his time, but eventually he becomes obsolete to future generations. Like Satele and Malgus.

 

And about the Emperor fight. He didn't really hold his own. He was losing most of the fight, then the Oneness happens. Once Revan becomes a vessel of the Force, he begins to batter away at the Emperor. But once it ended and the Emperor was still standing, Revan got beat. His moment of Oneness was the only highpoint in that duel for him.

 

I disagree with the idea of becoming "obsolete" I don't know who is stronger and I am not going to debate that because they never fought and never will so saying "A is stronger than B" without showing any true comparison between the two is pointless. But the fact is Revan as extremely accomplished force user and we have very little way of knowing how much strong each generation is from the last.

 

If some one says Malgus beats Revan because Malgus is from a later generation that is kind of stupid. We will probably never see them fight and have little way to compare them.

 

In his life Revan did things that almost no one else could during the time period. I don't look at Revan and go OMG POWER!!!! I see a Jedi/Sith and did amazing things.

 

When Luke went to go fight Vader an Sidious he wasn't all powerful at the time. But he had already done some amazing things and that is what made him special.

[Swarlesx]

^This.

 

Revan was pretty much done for without Oneness, T3 and Surik. Once the Oneness ended, T3 got destroyed, and Surik got killed, Revan was pretty much done for. His goose was cooked, so to speak.

 

And I agree. The EP. 3 battle is in an entirely different league than the Revan battle. Not only could Sidious give Vitiate the beat down, but Mace Windu could beat Revan, Scourge, Surik and T3 all by himself. totally different leagues.

 

This is what I have a problem with. It is so pointless to sit around and say "windu is from later generation so he is leagues stronger than everyone from old republic"

 

We have little to no way to compare that and Windu and Reven will never fight each other. So to say one is stronger than the other is pointless because we will never see that fight. I used the Sidious just to show that Sith Emperor=strong and some one who can fight a Sith Emperor is also strong.

 

Also I never said that Revan beat the Emperor or was stronger. Even without oneness he was able to one shot a powerful Sith and able to at least stand up to one of the most powerful sith of the time period.

[Aurbere]

I disagree with the idea of becoming "obsolete" I don't know who is stronger and I am not going to debate that because they never fought and never will so saying "A is stronger than B" without showing any true comparison between the two is pointless. But the fact is Revan as extremely accomplished force user and we have very little way of knowing how much strong each generation is from the last.

 

If some one says Malgus beats Revan because Malgus is from a later generation that is kind of stupid. We will probably never see them fight and have little way to compare them.

 

In his life Revan did things that almost no one else could during the time period. I don't look at Revan and go OMG POWER!!!! I see a Jedi/Sith and did amazing things.

 

When Luke went to go fight Vader an Sidious he wasn't all powerful at the time. But he had already done some amazing things and that is what made him special.

 

Malgus wouldn't beat Revan because he was from a later generation. He would beat Revan because of how powerful he is. Malgus is one of the most powerful Sith of his time. Read up on Malgus, he is superior to Revan.

[Aurbere]

This is what I have a problem with. It is so pointless to sit around and say "windu is from later generation so he is leagues stronger than everyone from old republic"

 

We have little to no way to compare that and Windu and Reven will never fight each other. So to say one is stronger than the other is pointless because we will never see that fight. I used the Sidious just to show that Sith Emperor=strong and some one who can fight a Sith Emperor is also strong.

 

Also I never said that Revan beat the Emperor or was stronger. Even without oneness he was able to one shot a powerful Sith and able to at least stand up to one of the most powerful sith of the time period.

 

Windu would beat Revan easily. So easily that Revan would end up crying like a little baby. Mace Windu is one of the greatest duelists of all time and holds all of the cards in a battle between them.

 

Nyriss put everything into that Lightning blast. Revan used Tutaminis to redirect it back at her. It's her own fault that she could not protect herself from her own Lightning blast.

 

And Revan could not go toe-to-toe with the Emperor. Oneness, T3, Surik, and Scourge were the only reasons he lasted as long as he did. Once Oneness ended, Vitiate destroyed him and T3. And we know what happened to Surik...

[Rayla_Felana]

We have little to no way to compare that and Windu and Reven will never fight each other. So to say one is stronger than the other is pointless because we will never see that fight.

 

Actually it's very easy to compare them, Mace Windu defeated Darth Sidious in a lightsaber duel, making him quite possibly the third greatest lightsaber duellist who ever lived.

 

Mace Windu was a master of all forms including his specialised Vaapad form and the tremendous advantage of Shatterpoint, he was also an immensely skilled telekinetic combatant. Revan is already outmatched, Windu would duel circles around him, he is from the golden age of the Jedi Order and was considered the best duellist of the day, amongst 15,000 other Jedi.

 

He could take Grievous, in-fact he is the reason for the General's cough, he took an entire CIS army on Dantooine, without his lightsaber and not only that, but Mace Windu had around 3,700 years of development and growth in lightsaber techniques and the force, it was the greatest difference between Golden Age Jedi and Banite Sith and their earlier counterparts, they didn't truly specialise, they had immense skill and power with both Lightsaber combat and Force prowess, whilst they did prefer one over the other, they never lacked in any area of combat.

[Aurbere]

Actually it's very easy to compare them, Mace Windu defeated Darth Sidious in a lightsaber duel, making him quite possibly the third greatest lightsaber duellist who ever lived.

 

Mace Windu was a master of all forms including his specialised Vaapad form and the tremendous advantage of Shatterpoint, he was also an immensely skilled telekinetic combatant. Revan is already outmatched, Windu would duel circles around him, he is from the golden age of the Jedi Order and was considered the best duellist of the day, amongst 15,000 other Jedi.

 

He could take Grievous, in-fact he is the reason for the General's cough, he took an entire CIS army on Dantooine, without his lightsaber and not only that, but Mace Windu had around 3,700 years of development and growth in lightsaber techniques and the force, it was the greatest difference between Golden Age Jedi and Banite Sith and their earlier counterparts, they didn't truly specialise, they had immense skill and power with both Lightsaber combat and Force prowess, whilst they did prefer one over the other, they never lacked in any area of combat.

 

Right when I was about to post a link to one of my threads discussing that. I kid.

[Wolfninjajedi]

Though the bit with Windu taking on an entire CIS army by himself, I really don't think that should hold any weight because it was completely ridiculous. Other stuff is ok though, jedi aren't suppose to be Superman here. Edited November 19, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[Swarlesx]

Windu would beat Revan easily. So easily that Revan would end up crying like a little baby. Mace Windu is one of the greatest duelists of all time and holds all of the cards in a battle between them.

 

Nyriss put everything into that Lightning blast. Revan used Tutaminis to redirect it back at her. It's her own fault that she could not protect herself from her own Lightning blast.

 

And Revan could not go toe-to-toe with the Emperor. Oneness, T3, Surik, and Scourge were the only reasons he lasted as long as he did. Once Oneness ended, Vitiate destroyed him and T3. And we know what happened to Surik...

 

You completely missed my point. I am saying that there is no point in comparing Windu to Revan cause they will never fight and we should not judge the outcome of any fight based on pure strength. If every battle is Star Wars was decided by pure power then things would be very different.

 

There are so many factors that could come into place that we should never assume someone beats someone else just because of power. For all we know Revan and Windu could be fighting and then Anakin could come running in and just cut Windus hand off again and then Revan blasts him out a window.

 

Without ever seeing them fight there is no point in say one beats the other. We never have and never will see that situation. And the only reason to compare them is to try and make Revan look as if he isn't special at all which seems like the point of this topic.

 

Revan Fanboyness is bad but it has created a group of people trying to seriously underplay him.

[Rayla_Felana]

Though the bit with Windu taking on an entire CIS army by himself, I really don't think that should hold any weight because it was completely ridiculous. Other stuff is ok though, jedi aren't suppose to be Superman here.

 

I agree entirely, but apparently it's still T-canon. -_-

[Aurbere]

Though the bit with Windu taking on an entire CIS army by himself, I really don't think that should hold any weight because it was completely ridiculous. Other stuff is ok though, jedi aren't suppose to be Superman here.

 

I take alot of the super-Jedi stuff in 2D to show that they were using the Force to augment their speed. That would explain why the Droids weren't shooting him.

[Aurbere]

You completely missed my point. I am saying that there is no point in comparing Windu to Revan cause they will never fight and we should not judge the outcome of any fight based on pure strength. If every battle is Star Wars was decided by pure power then things would be very different.

 

There are so many factors that could come into place that we should never assume someone beats someone else just because of power. For all we know Revan and Windu could be fighting and then Anakin could come running in and just cut Windus hand off again and then Revan blasts him out a window.

 

Without ever seeing them fight there is no point in say one beats the other. We never have and never will see that situation. And the only reason to compare them is to try and make Revan look as if he isn't special at all which seems like the point of this topic.

 

Revan Fanboyness is bad but it has created a group of people trying to seriously underplay him.

 

I see alot of Revan fanboys say stuff like that when Revan is clearly out-matched.

 

Anyway. The point of this thread was to address certain misconceptions surrounding Revan and bring a little truth to them. Which I believe I have done. People only flame me because they know I'm right... Either that or they're just mad.

[Swarlesx]

I see alot of Revan fanboys say stuff like that when Revan is clearly out-matched.

 

Anyway. The point of this thread was to address certain misconceptions surrounding Revan and bring a little truth to them. Which I believe I have done. People only flame me because they know I'm right... Either that or they're just mad.

 

Well you got me. You were right the whole time and everyone is wrong. Silly me. /sarcasm

 

The idea that you alone have brought truth to Revan and are a complete expert about him is an opinion because it is clear that you have a biased against him just as I have a biased for him. And no one, fanboy or hater, should go around comparing people that will never fight each other. It doesn't make sense and without seeing that fight there is no real way to judge the outcome.

[Aurbere]

Well you got me. You were right the whole time and everyone is wrong. Silly me. /sarcasm

 

The idea that you alone have brought truth to Revan and are a complete expert about him is an opinion because it is clear that you have a biased against him just as I have a biased for him. And no one, fanboy or hater, should go around comparing people that will never fight each other. It doesn't make sense and without seeing that fight there is no real way to judge the outcome.

 

I'll ignore the tone...

 

I am no expert on Revan, nor do I have a desire to be an expert on Revan. What I did was tell the truth about Revan because people jump to conclusions about him. This has marked me as biased against him even though I am not. Revan is one of my favorite characters, but then the fanboys jumped in. Now I am trying to preserve the true image of Revan because he is one of my favorite characters. Not because of some bias people are coming up with.

[Airmo]

I'll ignore the tone...

 

I am no expert on Revan, nor do I have a desire to be an expert on Revan. What I did was tell the truth about Revan because people jump to conclusions about him. This has marked me as biased against him even though I am not. Revan is one of my favorite characters, but then the fanboys jumped in. Now I am trying to preserve the true image of Revan because he is one of my favorite characters. Not because of some bias people are coming up with.

 

Eh.. I think in your..pursuit..to keep the "true Revan" image you've, in some cases, just done the opposite of what the fanboi's have done. But that's just my two cents.. and really its not that hard to see why people think you have some sort of bias towards him.

[Aurbere]

Eh.. I think in your..pursuit..to keep the "true Revan" image you've, in some cases, just done the opposite of what the fanboi's have done. But that's just my two cents.. and really its not that hard to see why people think you have some sort of bias towards him.

 

I see your point and I get that I can be a bit... strong in that area. It's only because I've had to put him down in every case. If I had to list all of the accolades and accomplishments that Revan has, things would be different.

[Swarlesx]

Eh.. I think in your..pursuit..to keep the "true Revan" image you've, in some cases, just done the opposite of what the fanboi's have done. But that's just my two cents.. and really its not that hard to see why people think you have some sort of bias towards him.

 

Thats what I mean. Fanboys exaggerate A LOT when it comes to Revan. But I think this has created a group of people that do the opposite and try to really underplay him.

[Wolfninjajedi]

I take alot of the super-Jedi stuff in 2D to show that they were using the Force to augment their speed. That would explain why the Droids weren't shooting him.

 

Ehhh.......I guess. But to address the whole

 

"They never fought so how do we know who wins?"

 

True, but you look at a characters feats and go from that to determine a winner.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[Beniboybling]

I notice people are throwing around the phrase oneness like its a stim or something. Its not, its a very rare ability achieved be very few in the galactic history. Wookiepedia only lists 8, among them are Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker and Jacen Solo. Some of the most powerful Jedi who ever existed. So if we are assuming Revan achieved oneness with the Force, then he must be extremely powerful. In a fight of course Windu would win, but it wouldn't be a slap down victory, there would be a fight. Nor would I say compared to all other Jedi in galactic history Revan was obsolete, I'd say he's still up there at the top. Malgus vs Revan would be a near equal match, as would Revan vs Satele. But that's a whole different debate.

 

Ultimately, all we can say is Revan is an exceptional Jedi, and leave it at that.

[Swarlesx]

I notice people are throwing around the phrase oneness like its a stim or something. Its not, its a very rare ability achieved be very few in the galactic history. Wookiepedia only lists 8, among them are Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker and Jacen Solo. Some of the most powerful Jedi who ever existed. So if we are assuming Revan achieved oneness with the Force, then he must be extremely powerful. In a fight of course Windu would win, but it wouldn't be a slap down victory, there would be a fight. Nor would I say compared to all other Jedi in galactic history Revan was obsolete, I'd say he's still up there at the top. Malgus vs Revan would be a near equal match, as would Revan vs Satele. But that's a whole different debate.

 

Ultimately, all we can say is Revan is an exceptional Jedi, and leave it at that.

 

Well said.