Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 They are fine as is. F2P IS NOT FREE in any MMO. Please stop exaggerating. I understand that, I've paid my way around games before, but not to be able to just function as a player. You're the one exaggerating . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Seconded. This is all getting a little silly. Here's the bottom line - SWTOR is owned and run by a company which is free to make it's product available to the public in any way which they choose. I empathize with those people who can't justify a subscription for personal reasons, and completely understand the frustration experienced by players who interpreted the F2P model differently than what it is. But it's really not a democracy - not in this case. This leaves the equation a simple matter of taking advantage of the model that HAS been given, or just pay the full subscription fee and wash away all issues for yourself. I think instead of a general appeal to lift restrictions, it would be more reasonable to list specific restrictions that are turning players off (which is being done by some in other threads). For example, the quickbar issue really does seem to be a bit over the top - and I completely agree that needs to be revisited by BioWare. I completely agree with you. Thank you for taking a neutral position on this. I'm not asking for the world, just better balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlynnFlon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Disagree. If you want to continue paying then do so and reap the rewards. If you want to play for free then you sure as hell aint getting what we pay for. You get to play a game for free for petes sake, and its still not enough? Before yesterday you didnt. So now you get much more than before. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methenu Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 huh?! why?!?! I don't understand your logic the more the grip is tightened, the more incentive it is to pay for the FULLY UNRESTRICTED SUBSCRIPTION ALL the tight restriction is limiting is the players who don't like the game to begin with that can't be bothered to pay... they won't play otherwise neither ANYWAY... now those who aren't even paying are asking for what subscribers, who pay monthly get?! ... I don't think that's fair... I apologize if you don't get it. I figured everyone playing the game and defending BioWare's actions was acquainted with the original trilogy at the very least. Original line from Episode IV: The more you tighten your grip, Tarken, the more star systems will slip through your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 huh?! why?!?! I don't understand your logic the more the grip is tightened, the more incentive it is to pay for the FULLY UNRESTRICTED SUBSCRIPTION ALL the tight restriction is limiting is the players who don't like the game to begin with that can't be bothered to pay... they won't play otherwise neither ANYWAY... now those who aren't even paying are asking for what subscribers, who pay monthly get?! ... I don't think that's fair... F2P players do in fact pay their way around, only when they feel they want the added benefit. Nobody is asking for everything, they just want better balance. It can be done, very successfully too. STO gives alot to it's free players, and in turn, they pay alot to get the added benefits. We don't want the world, only better balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdyIO Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 huh?! why?!?! I don't understand your logic the more the grip is tightened, the more incentive it is to pay for the FULLY UNRESTRICTED SUBSCRIPTION ALL the tight restriction is limiting is the players who don't like the game to begin with that can't be bothered to pay... they won't play otherwise neither ANYWAY... now those who aren't even paying are asking for what subscribers, who pay monthly get?! ... I don't think that's fair... Really? Than wait and see. Why not tighten even more. Make no hotbars at all. You wanna use your abilities, pay up. Why give us skill for game credit. You want your skills, get the cash and pay. You think there will be incentive to pay when people feel they are screwed from every side? The only outcome will be that people will leave and the company will make a bad name for themself. There are free 2 play games where people feel respected. They have fun playing it without idiotic limitations and publishers still profit form the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Disagree. If you want to continue paying then do so and reap the rewards. If you want to play for free then you sure as hell aint getting what we pay for. You get to play a game for free for petes sake, and its still not enough? Before yesterday you didnt. So now you get much more than before. Simples. Balance can be made, those that disagree, simply want to have more power without the skills to get it. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackenedMist Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think it's probably too late to remove or lessen the majority of restrictions, since people have paid to remove them. Some of these restrictions are pretty silly and make the company look petty. Things like being able to display legacy name or titles, remove helmets, etc. should really be part of the basic game for everyone. Forcing people to pay for things like that make BW look like a small-time company, shaking down its player base for every last dollar. It's too late to do anything about that, and ill will has been created. The one restriction that really does need to be lessened is the 2 character per account limit. Forcing people to delete characters in which they've invested tons of time to try something new seems like a bad idea, and is already making me feel constricted. I imagine that eventually there will be an option in the market to add slots, but I think it's too low to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZirusZero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Just make it slightly loosened. Otherwise, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Most of the negatives to the proposition, most likely are coming from those who are currently paying for sub. Here the point, I don't want everything you have. I don't want all the special abilities that should be rightfully reserved to those who pay, I don't want that neat vehicle, I don't even want unlimited anything, I just want better balance. Those that agree with me, also feel the same way (most i believe anyways). Allow F2P players the freedom they can get with any other MMORPGs, which they too have micro transactions, some even make the game pay to win, that have high player counts, and make a lot of revenue because people keep playing long enough to want the bonuses. If the game has such high restrictions that players are turned away the moment they walk through the door, they will never see any reason to pay. No one will. Sub players will be paying even more than their subscriptions anyways because not even everything is unlocked to them either. With such high restrictions, paying players will out pay their subscriptions very very quickly. If a balance is found, players will stay when they start playing, they will stay long enough to decided to pay for bonuses, or even subscribe themselves. Like I said before, it can be done. STO is my prime example. There is almost no restrictions on free players, and yet I'm finding people all over the game that payed the $300 price tag for permanate subscription, or pay the $15 monthly sub, and still pay more money for bonuses. This is because STO found an excellent balance. Paying players get their advantages, free players can breath without worrying about running into miles of red tape. It can be done. If you disagree, odds are it's becuase you have very little skill in playing, and can only get ahead by spending more money then the next guy, thus the phrase "pay to win". I do also understand that paying players that aren't subs, since subs are gonna pay the same regardless what is free or not, have already paid for some of these options, which only last a week by the way, this can be resolved with a refund. Simple, easy, and the money will most likely circle back to the game to buy something else. Edited November 17, 2012 by Nathan_Lexington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkgryphon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I disagree with the OP. seconded or thirded, or whatever it is up to by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Can anyone point out a game with restrictions as sever or more than this? Excluding MechWarrior since I've already mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkgryphon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Can anyone point out a game with restrictions as sever or more than this? Excluding MechWarrior since I've already mentioned it. That doesn't matter. If you want to play this game for free, you are going to play restricted. If those other games aren't as severe, well then be my guest to go play those. Edited November 17, 2012 by monkgryphon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) The things I think would work for F2P would be something like this. F2P- (new players) 3 tool bars, purples and the ability to use the rewards they get Preferred F2P (which is the old players that have come back) 4 tool bars , purples and the ability to use the rewards they get. I think that is more than fair since preferred f2p are actually used to playing with 4 tool bars and they would have the most trouble adjusting. Edited November 17, 2012 by ScarletBlaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The things I think would work for F2P would be something like this. F2P- (new players) 3 tool bars, purples and the ability to use the rewards they get Preferred F2P (which is the old players that have come back) 4 tool bars , purples and the ability to use the rewards they get. I think that is more than fair since preferred f2p are actually used to playing with 4 tool bars and they would have the most trouble adjusting. Also, preferred have at least bought the 60$ and the initial sub (15$). Still, they can't even get their Cartel Coins unless they resub... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_Lexington Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) That doesn't matter. If you want to play this game for free, you are going to play restricted. If those other games aren't as severe, well then be my guest to go play those. I most likely will, along with more than 50% of all the new players that tries this game. If Bioware doesn't ease on the restrictions, this game will most likely fall. Then it will be a choice of either lessening the restrictions, or shut the game down before they go bankrupt. End of story. Also, again you assume I want everything, I've already said I don't mind having restrictions as a free player, only a lessened restriction than what we have now. Stop assuming I want everything and actually read what's posted. Edited November 17, 2012 by Nathan_Lexington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkgryphon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I most likely will, along with more than 50% of all the new players that tries this game. If Bioware doesn't ease on the restrictions, this game will most likely fall. Then it will be a choice of either lessening the restrictions, or shut the game down before they go bankrupt. End of story. Also, again you assume I want everything, I've already said I don't mind having restrictions as a free player, only a lessened restriction than what we have now. Stop assuming I want everything and actually read what's posted. Don't assume what I assume. I responded to the statement I quoted, that is all. When you leave with this alleged more than 50% of the new players, please don't make a thread in the forums saying you are leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopagne Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Also, preferred have at least bought the 60$ and the initial sub (15$). Still, they can't even get their Cartel Coins unless they resub... Socialist, I don't want post this as any kind of argument against you, because I believe you have a valid concern here. But I'm fairly sure the Cartel Coins are a perk of an active subscription; basically a "perk" of paying monthly designed to offset the need to pay for content only available through micro-transaction. I could be wrong as I haven't really read much on this - someone can correct me here if so. Edited November 17, 2012 by Leopagne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methenu Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Socialist, I don't want post this as any kind of argument against you, because I believe you have a valid concern here. But I'm fairly sure the Cartel Coins are a perk of an active subscription; basically a "perk" of paying monthly designed to offset the need to pay for content only available through micro-transaction. I could be wrong as I haven't really read much on this - someone can correct me here if so. While I agree with you, Leo, there is a certain sticking point that's getting me. That is: the people that did purchase the game and sub for a number of months have the coins retroactive as a perk for supporting the game early on, but they have to be subscribed to redeem that. If you come back to test drive the free to play to see what changes are there in order to determine if you want to resub, you don't get them by default even though you have already paid. So, it really isn't a perk of the sub in that instance, it's a carrot to get you to resub. The monthly allotment is a reasonable perk. 500 is a nice little thank you to go along with the sub. And from the look of things BioWare needs to thank all the people subbing now for overlooking a subpar overall experience in order to frolic in the Star Wars universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruVII Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Also, preferred have at least bought the 60$ and the initial sub (15$). Still, they can't even get their Cartel Coins unless they resub... That isn't true, if I quote the TOR webpage: "Make any purchase of $4.99 to upgrade to Preferred Status! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post CommunitySupport Posted November 17, 2012 Dev Post Share Posted November 17, 2012 We appreciate your desire to share your thoughts, but petition threads are not permitted on the forums, as they encourage unconstructive posts. There are several threads that exist for the discussion of F2P restricitons, and we ask that you please continue the discussion in one of them. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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