Styxx Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) In order for a lottery to be considered gambling it has to have a chance to recieve something of monetary vaule. It doesnt have to be money but it does have to be worth money. If you dont own it then it isnt worth any money to you. So,is it perfectly ok if we substitute monetary value with virtual value... It makes the act itself mysteriously change and the money transform into leaves? Edited October 25, 2012 by Styxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styxx Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 In order for a lottery to be considered gambling it has to have a chance to recieve something of monetary vaule. It doesnt have to be money but it does have to be worth money. If you dont own it then it isnt worth any money to you. We could read the above as "any value", or "monetary and virtual goods value". The act itself is unchanged. It is only the final outcome that is different. Where the legal term is monetary value. Makes it no less "right" if its final outcome is "virtual monetary value". Anyway... gameplay now... do please buy as many boxes as you can all of you... MAYBE they earn enough money from this to push some nice content for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soluss Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) We could read the above as "any value", or "monetary and virtual goods value". The act itself is unchanged. It is only the final outcome that is different. Where the legal term is monetary value. Makes it no less "right" if its final outcome is "virtual monetary value". Anyway... gameplay now... do please buy as many boxes as you can all of you... MAYBE they earn enough money from this to push some nice content for a change. Virtual items, in ToR, have no physical value. You can argue all you want but it doesnt. I dont plan to spend any money in the cash shop. They are lucky to still have my sub. Edited October 25, 2012 by Soluss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I tried out the grab bags last night, every bag netted me something cool and I CAN sell stuff I don't want after 4 days so I'll accept it. at least I'm not buying a crappy potion or something for a chance at a outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larity Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I'm just gonna point out again, this is done in many other mmos and bioware is not the first to do it and none of those others games had any problems with the law against it, and more then half of them have been out for half a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariaD Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Let's talk convertibility. TOR now moves toward making hard currencies (like dollars) convertible into in-game currencies (such as credits or XP). There are no attempts to make in-game currencies convertible into hard currencies. Without such two-way convertibility, no gambling laws will apply to TOR legally. Some people may still consider this or that action to fall under the label of gambling morally. The only virtual world I know that attempted two-way convertibility between its currency and hard currencies is Second Life. Do you know more examples, especially games? SL is not a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Let's talk convertibility. TOR now moves toward making hard currencies (like dollars) convertible into in-game currencies (such as credits or XP). There are no attempts to make in-game currencies convertible into hard currencies. Without such two-way convertibility, no gambling laws will apply to TOR legally. Some people may still consider this or that action to fall under the label of gambling morally. Absolutely correct. If they put in a two way conversion mechanism, I would be one of the first to point out they are moving into a legal quagmire. But they are not. And their move to making hard currencies (like dollars) convertible into in-game currencies actually further craters the internet market for in game credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat-a-tat- Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (4) "Gambling device" means any electronic, electromechanical, or mechanical contrivance not excluded under Paragraph (B) that for a consideration affords the player an opportunity to obtain anything of value, the award of which is determined solely or partially by chance, even though accompanied by some skill, whether or not the prize is automatically paid by the contrivance. The term: (A) includes, but is not limited to, gambling device versions of bingo, keno, blackjack, lottery, roulette, video poker, or similar electronic, electromechanical, or mechanical games, or facsimiles thereof, that operate by chance or partially so, that as a result of the play or operation of the game award credits or free games, and that record the number of free games or credits so awarded and the cancellation or removal of the free games or credits; and (B) does not include any electronic, electromechanical, or mechanical contrivance designed, made, and adapted solely for bona fide amusement purposes if the contrivance rewards the player exclusively with noncash merchandise prizes, toys, or novelties, or a representation of value redeemable for those items, that have a wholesale value available from a single play of the game or device of not more than 10 times the amount charged to play the game or device once or $5, whichever is less. Texas penal code, this game is solely for amusement, and thus is not classified as a electronic gambling devise (7) "Lottery" means any scheme or procedure whereby one or more prizes are distributed by chance among persons who have paid or promised consideration for a chance to win anything of value, whether such scheme or procedure is called a pool, lottery, raffle, gift, gift enterprise, sale, policy game, or some other name. (9) "Thing of value" means any benefit, but does not include an unrecorded and immediate right of replay not exchangeable for value. There is no benefit or value to anything that is coming out of those grab bags. So no it is not classified as gambling (even electronically) or Lottery (there is nothing of Value), they are for pure entertainment and/or amusement. So whats up now Goretzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soluss Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 [/b] texas penal code, this game is solely for amusement, and thus is not classified as a electronic gambling devise there is no benefit or value to anything that is coming out of those grab bags. So no it is not classified as gambling (even electronically) or lottery (there is nothing of value), they are for pure entertainment and/or amusement. So whats up now goretzu oooooops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larity Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Hey guy who still complaining even though he's wrong. Look here, http://vindictus.nexon.net/News/Content.aspx?boardNo=200&contentNo=00FKM bottom of the page. More "grab bags" and here http://maplestory.nexon.net/shop/special-promotions/this-week/00FOn/ and here, a star warsy one http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies_Trading_Card_Game So seriously. Enough already. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Post CommunitySupport Posted October 26, 2012 Dev Post Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hello. We appreciate everyone taking the time to express their opinion, but will be closing this thread, as we had to remove a great quantity of posts that were straying very far from the original topic. If you want to provide feedback on your testing experience or thoughts on the Cartel Market, we encourage you to do so in the PTS forum. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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