BooHag Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Saturday night, one of our tanks lost aggro on HM Stormcaller right after Double Destruction. After the first time, he decided to use his AOE taunt right after DD, and that worked well for a few more attempts. Then two attempts in a row, he lost aggro anyway. After the raid, I started going through his combat log parses to see if he screwed up. What I found is that his AOE taunt sometimes does nothing. Here is an example (from TorParse): 22:24:34.771 Q'yn activates Threatening Scream. 22:24:34.791 Boohag's Revivification heals Q'yn for 468. 22:24:35.177 Stormcaller Blast Tank's Double Destruction effect of Single Destruction fades from Q'yn. 22:24:35.189 Boohag's Fadeout adds effect Fadeout to Q'yn. 22:24:35.189 Boohag's Static Barrier adds effect Static Barrier to Q'yn. 22:24:35.190 Boohag's Static Barrier adds effect Deionized to Q'yn. 22:24:35.649 Boohag's Revivification critcally heals Q'yn for 822*! 22:24:35.985 Necaron's Resurgence critcally heals Q'yn for 635*! 22:24:36.222 Necaron's Revivification heals Q'yn for 465. 22:24:36.409 Boohag's Revivification heals Q'yn for 468. 22:24:37.840 Boohag's Revivification critcally heals Q'yn for 822*! 22:24:37.845 Q'yn activates Assault. Notice that Threatening Scream doesn't add the taunt effect, and it doesn't generate aggro. On the off chance that TorParse messed up a parse, I went to his actual combat log, and this is the line: [22:24:34.771] [@Q'yn] [@Q'yn] [Threatening Scream {807818923868160}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] () There is no subsequent line that applies taunt. After seeing this, I went through his parsed log and searched for every instance of Threatening Scream. This same "bug" happened 4 times that night. I did the same for his single target taunt, and it did not happen at all. Then I went through our PT tank's parse, and found that it happened once for his single target taunt and once for his area taunt. We raided again on Sunday and I went through parses again. Jug tank's AOE taunt bugged twice; PT tank's AOE taunt bugged 3 times. These happened on the FB/SC fight, on trash, and on the Vorgath fight, so it's not limited to FB/SC. Has this happened to anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatile Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I've seen tanks lose aggro in the past for no discernible reasons, though I always put that down to DPS over-aggroing, bad timing and the like. I have an Immortal Juggernaut myself, who I do need practice with anyway, so if you'd like I could have a look and see if she gets the same bug. I'd ask my guild's tanks for some combat logs as well, but that might take a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anysao Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Not that I know of, but this is a very weird bug. Although at Times my guardian's taunt doesn't seem to work in LI HM, so I use guardian slash and hilt strike to "generate a high amount of threat". So it's a big enough issue. They'll fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaqen Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Storm caller goes taunt immune while he is casting double destruction. Your tank is most likely using his aoe taunt while Storm caller is still taunt immune (he should see his single target taunt greyed out/unusable during that time). He should have more then enough time to taunt Storm caller before he does a frontal after double destruction, he just needs to pay attention to what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooHag Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 @Tatile: I'm not saying every instance of them losing aggro is due to this But yeah, it'd be awesome if you could keep an eye out to see if it happens to you too. Storm caller goes taunt immune while he is casting double destruction. Your tank is most likely using his aoe taunt while Storm caller is still taunt immune (he should see his single target taunt greyed out/unusable during that time). He should have more then enough time to taunt Storm caller before he does a frontal after double destruction, he just needs to pay attention to what is going on. This makes total sense, but it wasn't limited to the SC fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rystet Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Storm caller goes taunt immune while he is casting double destruction. Your tank is most likely using his aoe taunt while Storm caller is still taunt immune (he should see his single target taunt greyed out/unusable during that time). He should have more then enough time to taunt Storm caller before he does a frontal after double destruction, he just needs to pay attention to what is going on. This is exactly whats happening, its not a bug... Your combat log shows the taunt before double destruction goes off. Your tank is taunting to early, just make sure the DD cast is finished before he taunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatile Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 @Tatile: I'm not saying every instance of them losing aggro is due to this But yeah, it'd be awesome if you could keep an eye out to see if it happens to you too. Yeah, but more data means a better look at what the cause and effect might be I'll link this thread to my guild and see if anyone wants to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaqen Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 This makes total sense, but it wasn't limited to the SC fight. I know Zorn will go taunt immune while Toth is in his berserk phase, and which is a period of time that is very hard for jugg/guard tanks to keep agro since they are not being hit by the boss. Please list any other occurrences that your tank might be having issues on since i am sure there are reasons why he is having issues, that are not bugs. On a side note a tanks opening rotation can decide how easy or hard it will be for them to keep agro during a fight as well, i am not exactly sure what the rotation is like for jugg/guard but for a shadow tank it is pretty much dropping all of your high threat abilities at the start and then an aoe taunt from a range of 2.8m or greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooHag Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Going through the Jug tank's logs from FB/SC, I can see the taunting too early issue, thanks Chaqen and Rystet! This is from our PT tank on HM Kephess (kinda long, though): 18:55:41.507 Elrand activates Sonic Missile. 18:55:41.532 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. (337 absorbed) 18:55:41.742 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:41.743 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:41.744 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:41.785 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:41.984 Boohag's Fadeout effect of Fadeout fades from Elrand. 18:55:42.047 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:42.048 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.096 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.256 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.257 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.356 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.357 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. (324 absorbed) 18:55:42.527 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.529 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:42.817 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:42.879 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.096 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.135 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.178 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.360 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.361 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.362 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.386 Boohag's Innervate critcally heals Elrand for 2075*, causing 934 threat! 18:55:43.413 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.574 Boohag's Resurgence heals Elrand for 374, causing 168 threat. 18:55:43.604 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.606 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.695 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.696 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.906 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:44.357 Boohag's Innervate critcally heals Elrand for 2075*, causing 934 threat! 18:55:45.002 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:45.217 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:45.253 Elrand activates Rocket Punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooHag Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Also from our PT tank, on trash: 17:54:19.558 Elrand activates Neural Dart. 17:54:19.582 Necaron's Dark Infusion heals Elrand for 3866, causing 1643 threat. 17:54:20.377 Trandoshan Sniper's Rifle Shot glances Elrand for 404 energy damage, causing 404 threat. 17:54:20.618 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Sniper's Rifle Shot, causing 1 threat. 17:54:21.864 Elrand activates Rapid Shots. 17:54:21.864 Elrand's Ion Overload adds effect Shocked (Tech) to Trandoshan Sniper. 17:54:21.869 Elrand's Ion Gas Cylinder hits Trandoshan Sniper for 152 energy damage, causing 305 threat. 17:54:22.435 Elrand's Rapid Shots hits Trandoshan Sniper for 116 energy damage, causing 233 threat. 17:54:22.474 Elrand's Rapid Shots critcally hits Trandoshan Sniper for 167* energy damage, causing 334 threat! 17:54:22.501 Elrand's Rapid Shots critcally hits Trandoshan Sniper for 193* energy damage, causing 387 threat! 17:54:22.534 Elrand's Rapid Shots hits Trandoshan Sniper for 103 energy damage, causing 207 threat. Could he have been out of range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenFry Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think there's a (very slight) travel time on both of the Powertech/Vanguard taunts. Possible that the mob died before the taunt arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooHag Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think there's a (very slight) travel time on both of the Powertech/Vanguard taunts. Possible that the mob died before the taunt arrived? Definitely possible for the neural dart -- thanks! But probably not for the sonic missile I posted before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaqen Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Going through the Jug tank's logs from FB/SC, I can see the taunting too early issue, thanks Chaqen and Rystet! This is from our PT tank on HM Kephess (kinda long, though): 18:55:41.507 Elrand activates Sonic Missile. 18:55:41.532 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. (337 absorbed) 18:55:41.742 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:41.743 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:41.744 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:41.785 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:41.984 Boohag's Fadeout effect of Fadeout fades from Elrand. 18:55:42.047 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:42.048 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.096 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.256 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.257 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.356 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.357 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. (324 absorbed) 18:55:42.527 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:42.529 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:42.817 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:42.879 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.096 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.135 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.178 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.360 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.361 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.362 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.386 Boohag's Innervate critcally heals Elrand for 2075*, causing 934 threat! 18:55:43.413 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.574 Boohag's Resurgence heals Elrand for 374, causing 168 threat. 18:55:43.604 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.606 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack glances Elrand for 112 kinetic damage, causing 112 threat. 18:55:43.695 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:43.696 Trandoshan Warrior's Melee Attack misses Elrand, causing 1 threat. 18:55:43.906 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:44.357 Boohag's Innervate critcally heals Elrand for 2075*, causing 934 threat! 18:55:45.002 Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack hits Elrand for 337 kinetic damage, causing 337 threat. 18:55:45.217 Elrand dodges Trandoshan Trenchcutter's Melee Attack, causing 1 threat. 18:55:45.253 Elrand activates Rocket Punch. Hmm i am not 100% sure about this, but the taunt may of not have worked if the mobs were under the shield that reflect aoe attacks back to the user....We split them apart so i have never had to worry about trying to aoe taunt under the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooHag Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hmm i am not 100% sure about this, but the taunt may of not have worked if the mobs were under the shield that reflect aoe attacks back to the user....We split them apart so i have never had to worry about trying to aoe taunt under the shield. Going over some other attempts, AOE taunts definitely work under the shield. (We did start to split them apart after that night, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grallmate Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 My guess is that the taunt was being resisted. I noticed it can happen while leveling my Assassin. When fighting things over my level my taunt would be resisted some of the time. I never noticed it since hitting 50 though, but possibly because I rarely have to use my taunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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