Wozz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Well that's one of the benefits to PvE then. Sorry, but you guys have to suck it up Why? The social points in pve are for grouping. Pvp is as much about the team as pve if not more so. Excluding social from pvp is just excluding a player base who prefers to pvp but would still like social gear to customise their look. I think you're missing the bigger picture. I won't pve simply to get social gear as I would rather spend my time playing what I enjoy. That said - why should that exclude me from customising my characters look? If you can offer a really compelling reason why pvp gamers shouldn't have this option I'll happily agree. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Let's look at the benefits of each: Social: Titles at both lvl 5 and 10 Party Instigator/Galactic Party Bomb Social gear Valor: Titles every ten levels Customizable BM/WH gear you have to be lvl 60 and 70 Aren't you forgetting the loot drops from fp's. If you want to balance that equation anove we could always offer pvp corpse loot options for gearing up. That would make your comparison fairer. Biased debate much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavensTerror Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) This is just going to turn into a PvP vs PvE thread. It's simple. Bioware stated that they want to keep PvP and PvE separate. This is one way they do that. You guys can QQ all day, but it won't make a difference because PvE players will QQ if you guys get social in wz. At the end of the day, I really don't care because I do both. I'm just trying to tell you guys Bioware will not likely change this. Edited July 17, 2012 by HeavensTerror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This is just going to turn into a PvP vs PvE thread. It's simple. Bioware stated that they want to keep PvP and PvE separate. This is one way they do that. You guys can QQ all day, but it won't make a difference because PvE players will QQ if you guys get social in wz. At the end of the day, I really don't care because I do both. I'm just trying to tell you guys Bioware will not likely change this. I agree it's unlikely they will change it because the effort/reward for Bioware won't be worth it. I disagree that it's about keeping pvp and pve separate. It's about balance and fair reward for the same effort. Social points and loot drops from pve are an additional benefit over pvp rewards. Balance that equation in whatever format you choose and pvp gamers will feel they are getting equal opportunity for their monthly subscriptions. Even if not social points the ability to customise and gain rng gear makes it fair. Using terms like QQ won't deviate the debate any we pay our subs so give us equal reward. Simple. Bland statements about keeping pve and pvp separate don't really hold any water sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henu Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This is just going to turn into a PvP vs PvE thread. It's simple. Bioware stated that they want to keep PvP and PvE separate. This is one way they do that. You guys can QQ all day, but it won't make a difference because PvE players will QQ if you guys get social in wz. At the end of the day, I really don't care because I do both. I'm just trying to tell you guys Bioware will not likely change this. No competition PVP>PVE But really i started as a raider and i am more social in PVP than i was in PVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DroidDreamer Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Great idea. I've seen some superb cooperation among teams. Social point, albeit less than pve, for pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZirusZero Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myolinyr Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 or you guys could...you know....not solo the game and play with other people....you know...be "sociable"...you'd be surprised how fast those points rack up when you're not being a hermit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Philar Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Based on the amount of actual teamwork that happens in regular warzones, I'm going to have to vote No on this suggestion. Most PvPers in this game tend to be anti-social anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTPRO Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Let's give raiders valor for doing operations, because... oh wait why would they get PVP ratings for PVE STUFF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netskink Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 At legacy 46 and four toons BM or higher, only one toon is above social III. I've played with countless people since december of last year. On a daily basis I get invites however, I am still lacking the third and fourth social legacy unlock. Hell I even started a guild. Seems harsh that pvp folks would not get social points. So how do I get social points? Mostly by doing group heroics and dailies. Often times I tell people drop the quest, I am at the quest giver for social points. Sometimes folks will not drop a quest even though I am standing right beside the quest guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myolinyr Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Based on the amount of actual teamwork that happens in regular warzones, I'm going to have to vote No on this suggestion. Most PvPers in this game tend to be anti-social anyway This^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islander Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) definitely yes. takes way more teamwork then doing lol pve leveling with someone. Edited July 17, 2012 by islander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trews Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Social points for PVP would be awesome. Make it happen Bioware!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oredith Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 PvP has Valor PvE has Social No, keep them separate.apples and oranges. if you wanna compare them, Valor is more akin to tionese crystal - used to buy entry level gear. social does not help nor hurt pve, just as it wouldn't in pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oredith Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Let's give raiders valor for doing operations, because... oh wait why would they get PVP ratings for PVE STUFF? why do you associate social gear with pve? i guess if you're terribad, you pve in social gear with no socket? oh wait, you put your pve augments into the social gear? oh yeah, that's what the pvp people want to do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickdreamz Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 MVP vote from WZs=100 Social points. Each valor rank 3 Expertise base. Simplicity to complex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambunctious Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't see how anyone could be against it. WZ's are just as valid as group content as anything else in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elboc Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm still rank 1 because all I do is pvp :/ everyone turns in the daily heroic by themselves, I can't even get social points there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrox Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't see why not; it's necessarily a group activity. There's no story dialogue going on besides the intro sequence to warzones, but then running the same BT instance for social points isn't really about story dialogue either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogoo Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We spend a lot of time in groups, and should be interacting with eachother. Is that not social enough for social points? Of course they should. They are way more social (i.e most of the time people talk) than flashpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarverX Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yes, the fact that you went and did something with other people (granted officially grouped or ungrouped -as groups get enough perks as it is) should certainly be worthy of social points. Unless devs have something against pvpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic_Forge Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I agree with MVP bonus to the social score, but nothing major. Also, I'd like a small bonus for those that have the highest objective scores. Say, the top 2 on each team, or just a scaling grade for everyone (ex. 5 PTs per 1000). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netskink Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm still rank 1 because all I do is pvp :/ everyone turns in the daily heroic by themselves, I can't even get social points there. You get social points for turning in daily as a group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khoraji Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Yes it should. PvP is about as social as you can get in a game. It should be a small bonus. Like maybe 10 per WZ, and 5 for voting MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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