Emeda Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Ya, you're correct. Another 300K have probably unsubbed since April. So there are only a million people playing this game. That's still three times the number of Rift right? Well 23 servers x 3000 server cap is 69,000. Take that as 10% and that would say no more than 700k players. Common sense would tell you its no where near 1 million people playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 No, just no. RIFTS zones are nowhere near the size of some of the planets in TOR. Hoth can probably be compared to 3 of Rifts zones, Belsavis may as well be another 4, and Ilum another 3. I dont even remember how many zones Rift had but they are nowhere near massive in size. hoth is the same or about the same size as Stillmoor is. You also have to figure in that zones in Swtor are just strips sectioned off, where in Rift it is one huge area seamless tied together by the other zones connected to it. Hoth has a little strip which leads to a little strip which leads to a little strip which in all makes up a sizeable amount. Making it feel bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Well 23 servers x 3000 server cap is 69,000. Take that as 10% and that would say no more than 700k players. Common sense would tell you its no where near 1 million people playing the game. you realize there is a HUGE difference between active pllayers and active subscribers right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llesna Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You mean: SWTOR has FEWER servers than Rift! Generally speaking, it's less+singular idea (non-countable) and fewer+plural (countable), though there are occasional exceptions. For example, one would say "less information" but "fewer players". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) you realize there is a HUGE difference between active pllayers and active subscribers right? ? Isnt it expected that only 10% of subs play at a time? Thats why 70k became 700k Also I dont care about the people that have subs and dont play. This game could have 20 million subs and it would still be exactly the same as it is now if the extra 19 million dont play. Edited June 19, 2012 by Emeda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esproc Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And what would of this game peaked at if it wasnt Star Wars... honestly now. Rift is unknown name made by an unknown developer. You can try and hide behind the lies of 1.3 million players but somewhere inside you has to realize its only because its Star Wars and made by one of the most popular game makers in the industry. Rift has way more things to do then Star Wars does. It also allows for far more customization. Im not even saying its a better game... im just saying.... Sorry, but to me this is tripe. I didn't like Rift, Eve, and many others because of game play, boring, snoring, blah. I do enjoy SWTOR, and I never played Galaxies or other SW based themes. So that falls under what? SW name didn't bring me to SWTOR, nor did BW and diffinitely not EA. It was the actual game play of SWTOR, and it does have a great story too, in my personal opinion. You are not saying it's a better game ... but you are saying ... (it). By the way, what ever SWTOR would Peak at is probably well done and gone now, at present, allowing for the growth that could happen. If you hadn't noticed, as many seem to have and others have said (that they were "them") people have re-subbed, even if temporarily to see whats up, and whether they stay or not, that is an increase in sub numbers. To OP, reiteration, Server numbers =/= server populations. WoW has dead servers, EVE has 1 server, Rift ... meh. Well, anyhow, just a quick post before a council meeting, and when i get out I am going to play and forget what I can. May the Truth be with you, erm, the Force too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 ? Isnt it expected that only 10% of subs play at a time? Thats why 70k became 700k Also I dont care about the people that have subs and dont play. This game could have 20 million subs and it would still be exactly the same as it is now if the extra 19 million dont play. where did you get 10% from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazDoit Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Oh, cmon... everyone knows the Gamebreaker show is a joke that caters to the haters and trolls. Besides, their so called "specialists" barely play anymore. Gamebreaker is pretty much a GW2 fanpage at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 eve shouldn't even be compared to this. eve is a niche game sandbox styled one server mmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofdamornin Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Oh, cmon... everyone knows the Gamebreaker show is a joke that caters to the haters and trolls. Besides, their so called "specialists" barely play anymore. Gamebreaker is pretty much a GW2 fanpage at the moment. Just like they were for this game, before launch. Just like they will be for the next big thing that comes along. You hit it right on the head, except for the fact that not everyone knows this. The OP, for example. Riôt Edited June 19, 2012 by lordofdamornin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 where did you get 10% from? Its not 10% anymore? Is that because its changed or because it doesnt look good? It probable has changed to higher than 10% but you are going to insist it is lower arnt you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Its not 10% anymore? Is that because its changed or because it doesnt look good? It probable has changed to higher than 10% but you are going to insist it is lower arnt you how do you get the figures exactly. Edited June 19, 2012 by Shingara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazDoit Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Just like they were for this game, before launch. Just like they will be for the next big thing that comes along. You hit it right on the head, except for the fact that not everyone knows this. The OP, for example. Riôt You bet, I mean they want to get the most ammount of viewers so they jump on whatever is popular at the moment, they are doing everything and anything to overhype GW2 as much as possible. But a year from now you can expect the swtor show and maybe even the guild wars show to be canceled to make room for an Elders Scroll Online and a Titan show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Its not 10% anymore? Is that because its changed or because it doesnt look good? It probable has changed to higher than 10% but you are going to insist it is lower arnt you no where did you get the number from? Where did you ever hear that only 10% of a mmos subscribers play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You bet, I mean they want to get the most ammount of viewers so they jump on whatever is popular at the moment, they are doing everything and anything to overhype GW2 as much as possible. But a year from now you can expect the swtor show and maybe even the guild wars show to be canceled to make room for an Elders Scroll Online and a Titan show. I think its gotten alot worse since pokket left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EATtheDEAD Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Gary Gannon is a admitted Troll. He doesn't play swtor anymore but has a recurring sub, and trolls every single game they talk about. Larry Everett plays Swtor everyday and likes the game. He defends it unless it is something that bothers him, like losing his character names in the transfers. Or lack of chat bubbles since he is a rp'er. Justin Lowe plays the game still, he is a pvper and raider, he defends the game a lot unless it is an obvious issue like end game bugs, also runs Darth Hater which is a fansite for swtor. Ed Park is a pvper and doesn't give a lot of attention to pve because he likes to pve almost non stop. He likes the pvp in swtor but gets annoyed with Bioware's attempts at balance. Calling these guys haters and biased trolls is retarded. Gary, yeah he is a troll like nobodies business. The rest of the guys are subscribers who like the game and aren't afraid to either defend what they like or pick apart what they hate. Get over yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 no where did you get the number from? Where did you ever hear that only 10% of a mmos subscribers play? http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=449144&page=3 Here people mention that how using 10% is about right. This post has been edited from the original post but the other comments you can read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidrowbro Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 And what would of this game peaked at if it wasnt Star Wars... honestly now. Rift is unknown name made by an unknown developer. You can try and hide behind the lies of 1.3 million players but somewhere inside you has to realize its only because its Star Wars and made by one of the most popular game makers in the industry. Rift has way more things to do then Star Wars does. It also allows for far more customization. Im not even saying its a better game... im just saying.... The company that created Rift, Trion Worlds, is an unknown company but the lead man, Scott Hartsman, is a very well known individual. Ever head of EQ2? He is the creator of that. Would that explain more on Rift's failings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=449144&page=3 Here people mention that how using 10% is about right. This post has been edited from the original post but the other comments you can read. facepalm no not who else was saying 10% who actualy came up with the 10% rule? if there is one thing we have learned is that NO one has been accuarte as using server pop for sub numbers Edited June 19, 2012 by jarjarloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickXIV Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Gary Gannon is a admitted Troll. He doesn't play swtor anymore but has a recurring sub, and trolls every single game they talk about. Larry Everett plays Swtor everyday and likes the game. He defends it unless it is something that bothers him, like losing his character names in the transfers. Or lack of chat bubbles since he is a rp'er. Justin Lowe plays the game still, he is a pvper and raider, he defends the game a lot unless it is an obvious issue like end game bugs, also runs Darth Hater which is a fansite for swtor. Ed Park is a pvper and doesn't give a lot of attention to pve because he likes to pve almost non stop. He likes the pvp in swtor but gets annoyed with Bioware's attempts at balance. Calling these guys haters and biased trolls is retarded. Gary, yeah he is a troll like nobodies business. The rest of the guys are subscribers who like the game and aren't afraid to either defend what they like or pick apart what they hate. Get over yourselvesI think most people were referring to the Gamebreaker-affiliated one of the bunch, not the other, obviously more level-headed guests. I forget which thread it was, but someone said it best: Gamebreaker is the Fox News of the gaming world. And by that I mean they are (objectively) not news and (subjectively) horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanxxx Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 no where did you get the number from? Where did you ever hear that only 10% of a mmos subscribers play? It was a number put out by Blizzard some time ago and rightly or wrongly used as an approximation since for all MMORPGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 It was a number put out by Blizzard some time ago and rightly or wrongly used as an approximation since for all MMORPGs. holy crap you have to be joking??? People are really using that as a standard? Wow no wonder no one can accurately get the number of subs this game has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 holy crap you have to be joking??? People are really using that as a standard? Wow no wonder no one can accurately get the number of subs this game has. lol ye, the one mmo where numbers are so ghosted you think it had been wetworked, last time someone tried to get active subscriber numbers on that it was sitting around 2 mil eu and us and ow look 10% you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 facepalm no not who else was saying 10% who actualy came up with the 10% rule? if there is one thing we have learned is that NO one has been accuarte as using server pop for sub numbers I dont know who or if there is a 10% rule or what the actual number is but using the data she collected and the subs that bioware released, taking a 10% as the amount of people that log on is acurate in this case. Where were all the no way its not 10% its only 5% back then? There wasnt because the numbers fir together. Now when you do it you have to make it 5% or else the numbers dont fit the 1.3 and you dont want to think this game only has 700k +/- players now (which would also fit the average loss of subs since release numbers) you would rather change the percentage. The 10% is an average over time while also taking the subs as an average over time. 10% dont play at 3 am its much less as is it much more than 10% at 8pm. But on average it works to be 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) no where did you get the number from? Where did you ever hear that only 10% of a mmos subscribers play? They got it from their book of common sense: http://bit.ly/Ng2XGS Everyone should read it. Edited June 19, 2012 by DarthOvertone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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