Good point, where is the ultimate defender of all things BW ?

Ongoing forum access

Actually he speaks for the vast majority that have already left and those with 6 month subs biding time, but not the ever dwindling minority that are still hanging on.

TorStatus is showing all but 2 of the 26 remaining worldwide servers in decline.

I think that the true underlying number is less than 500k so they had to make this move early. If 1.7m were subbed and we assume only 15% had 6 month subs then that's 245k, assuming a similar retention rate then c50% no longer playing , that's effectively another reduction of 120k. IMO that figure is conservative.

There is a long roll call of those who have posted, 'I'll quit if this goes F2P' , time to see if they really have a pair

They closed 87% of servers because they were dead and yes, they wanted the remainder to have a better playing experience. They've raised the caps some, however an 87% reduction is not a sign of rabid health under any stretch of the imagination. Anyway perhaps in the future we'll be talking about players not subs depenfing on how you interpret the end of EAs statement.... ". '''In the weeks ahead, we will announce plans for growing The Old Republic with new content, new players and new ways to play." I can think of one new way of playing that's free.

I was very sceptical about the futuee population, but reading the end of EAs statement..... "..... In the weeks ahead, we will announce plans for growing The Old Republic with new content, new players and new ways to play." I can see that there will be lots of new players

Feel free to check your facts, 1m subs gives a profit that is 'nothing to write home about' , 500k is essentially just better than break even.

That bad ? If you say so.

88% of servers are dead, the remaining 12% are packed......you decide.

It was so secret only one person at BW knew about it and they fired him.

What a lot of people do is something I call "mirroring". They are overly happy with something and because of some over-inflated sense of self-importance, they assume that the whole world must feel the same way, thereby mirroring their own feelings onto the rest of us. A few elements that you can see as signs of mirroring are : - Use of exaggerated positives (best game ever, love this game) - Lack of foundation or arguments (this game is the win, pvp rocls, this game is the best ever....but no explanation why) - Assumptions and making up own figures/calculations without any research (many have resubbed,game is growing) - Confusion between opinion and fact (everybody knows, everybody wants) - Emotional language (fill in any excessive swear word you like, use of caps) - Religious proselyting to gain support (constant repetition of the same positive , unconstructive opinion) These people don't understand that they need to get over their petty emotions and therefore lash out on forums about any subject without any thought or reason. Just like little 5 year olds with a temper tantrum. I understand that you can get wear rose coloured glasses and it's ok to voice that, but don't let the emotions pull you out of what's reasonable. Not so easy for some people apparently. Conclusion: the answer is that a lot of people have exaggerated emotions in combination with an overinflated ego. Works both ways.

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I think this makes sense, the variability in them is to great to make any reasonable estimate.

Actually it took c2 months till the final boss was killed..not same day. If content is as easy as SWTOR then it will get devoured quicker....simple equation.

SWTOR needs no help from other games.

Because they're still *********** themselves laughing at people willing to pay this early into a game for a problem they largely created.

Count subs on Friday, release 1.3 previous Tuesday......good plan.

As I posted in the other thread... Next Tuesday is the perfect time. People have resubbed for transfers. People will resub for ranked WZs. People will resub for other 1,3 features. Next Friday is the perfect time..... To measure subs for the next quarterly report.

Next Tuesday is the perfect time. People have resubbed for transfers. People will resub for ranked WZs. People will resub for other 1,3 features. Next Friday is the perfect time..... To measure subs for the next quarterly report.

The difference between end of April and the earnings call is 5 working days, you can bet that the material for the call was compiled a few days before. The main point however is if the CEO stands up and says 1.3m then , you can bet some lackey will have hand counted them, in other words there is no reason, or evidence, to disbeleive that number. The question is , what has happened since... TorStatus shows an increasing decline in population (till char xfers) Those on the 'free month' who no longer play are no longer included Those on initial 3 month subs who no longer play are no longer included Some have left to play other games, notably TERA, D3 (Those on initial 6 month subs who no longer play are still included) Some have returned as a result of char xfers Some will return when 1.3 goes live (future event) Some who left to play other games, notably TERA, D3 have/will return. Normal churn. On balance, a reasonable conclusion is that subs have decreased from the April figure of 1.3m, the debate is how far.

What really annoys me about your post is that in the back of my mind I'm worried that you might be right

Are you linking your first two sentences ? I.e. people are trying to discourage by talking about F2P ? Essentially they are two unrelated things unless your basic premise is that F2P is bad . To your first sentence, the same conspiracy theorists are also those that say only 1% of players read the forums, I'm sure direct negative press is employed but there are far better places to spend the money allocated for ths purpose than here.

This.....and then it's just a debate about when the flat line will be reached.