Dehnus Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) I don't know if this is just me but... I went back to wow the other day (They gave me 7 days free so I decided to pop back in). WoW's loading screen, no addons is about 5 to 10 seconds. With dozens of addons, it's about 2 minutes. Other MMOs that I've played are about the same lengh. SWTOR's loading screen is a whopping 5 to 10 MINUTES or longer. My PC is moderately powerful (Core i7, Windows 7, 6 GB ram, 1GB dedicated video memory, plenty of harddrive space). Am the only one suffering these extended loading times? If not, anyone know what I can do about it? 5 to 10 minutes? I call bogus! I mean I have a PC that isn't even half of what you have (AMD X2 5200, 8800GT GPU, 4 GB ram) and I am in the game within 2 minutes. Either you are overreacting (as I do agree the loading times are long) or something is wrong with your PC. Mind you, WOW is a very old game that these days runs like a charm on anything, when it was just relased it was alot more taxing on my PC back then . Again, I do not say your PC specs are bad or that you have a bad PC. I think something in the software might cause it to load longer then required. I mean even the WOW times you say here seem long to me. I usually was int he game almost instantly, with the current one that I have. Do you have anything running in the background? Edited May 27, 2012 by Dehnus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kargorr Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 thats nuts! my 2011 hp (slim) with a $30 Graphics card gets 2-3 min. loading screens. just a thought but maybe your visiting to many xxx web pages lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRobin Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Who would buy an SSD for this game. One game does not justify a $100+ purchase. Let's get serious here. If we had to have one it should have been inserted in the "Minimum System Spec Requirements" page somewhere on the website. (Which it won't be because that's ridiculous). What's next? Sli 680's to get 60+ fps consistent in Warzones at 1080p lololol. Trash engine is trash end of story. Don't defend Bioware, just point out the problem and wait for an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmillia Posted May 27, 2012 Author Share Posted May 27, 2012 5 to 10 minutes? I call bogus! I mean I have a PC that isn't even half of what you have (AMD X2 5200, 8800GT GPU, 4 GB ram) and I am in the game within 2 minutes. Either you are overreacting (as I do agree the loading times are long) or something is wrong with your PC. I really do wish I was exaggering but I'm not. I've used a stop watch on it and timed it at 7 minutes the other day. Someone in my guild suggested that internet may have something to do with it. I'm Australian playing on a US East server (I refused to transfer during the free transfers) Mind you, WOW is a very old game that these days runs like a charm on anything, when it was just relased it was alot more taxing on my PC back then . Don't look at WoW as a 2004 game. Look at it as a 2010 game. WoW got engine improvements with every expansion, Cataclysm was no different. It's much more taxing today than it was in 2004. (My old computer will barely run it now, it ran it fine back in TBC's early days) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabaal Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Who would buy an SSD for this game. One game does not justify a $100+ purchase. Let's get serious here. If we had to have one it should have been inserted in the "Minimum System Spec Requirements" page somewhere on the website. (Which it won't be because that's ridiculous). What's next? Sli 680's to get 60+ fps consistent in Warzones at 1080p lololol. Trash engine is trash end of story. Don't defend Bioware, just point out the problem and wait for an update. SSD doesn't make much difference to the load times in TOR anyway, I picked one up about a month ago as prices have came way down and would say it's only shaved a couple of seconds off from when i was using an old seagate HDD. Apart from that it's the single most effective upgrade i've ever done. Windows boots up in seconds, programs start instantly, large files rar and unrar in seconds and games (other than TOR) load much much faster. Edited May 27, 2012 by Kabaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehnus Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I really do wish I was exaggering but I'm not. I've used a stop watch on it and timed it at 7 minutes the other day. Someone in my guild suggested that internet may have something to do with it. I'm Australian playing on a US East server (I refused to transfer during the free transfers) Don't look at WoW as a 2004 game. Look at it as a 2010 game. WoW got engine improvements with every expansion, Cataclysm was no different. It's much more taxing today than it was in 2004. (My old computer will barely run it now, it ran it fine back in TBC's early days) But still is silly, as I come into WOW almost instantly. Really check if you have something running on the Background as WOW should run alot faster then the load times you describe here. As would this game (TOR), I agree the load times are long, but 10 minutes.. that is extreme or your exagerating. If it is extreme, then there is something that causes it. Like some over active Virus Scanner for instance, or something else that thinks "ALL YOUR RESOURCES ARE BELONG TO US!" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehnus Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 SSD doesn't make much difference to the load times in TOR anyway, I picked one up about a month ago as prices have came way down and would say it's only shaved a couple of seconds off from when i was using an old seagate HDD. Apart from that it's the single most effective upgrade i've ever done. Windows boots up in seconds, programs start instantly, large files rar and unrar in seconds and games (other than TOR) load much much faster. HMM that could be it... Network traffic. Maybe a Firewall setting that blocks some of the trafic causing alot of retries. Another thing could be that there is something else logging everything like Spyware or Malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkspellcraft Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Someone in my guild suggested that internet may have something to do with it. I'm Australian playing on a US East server (I refused to transfer during the free transfers) You can easily check this, make a new character on Pacific server and look at loading time to starting planet Edited May 27, 2012 by darkspellcraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandax Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 HMM that could be it... Network traffic. Maybe a Firewall setting that blocks some of the trafic causing alot of retries. Another thing could be that there is something else logging everything like Spyware or Malware. If the firewall blocked something it would keep on blocking it and the game wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundli Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 It would be interesting to run Wireshark and see what is actually going on during loadingscreens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporin Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 It´s all your fault. The game is perfect. Perhaps get an SSD for this big boy. -This message is brought to you by TrollEx®. Affordable brainwashing for everyone. We really do need a "LIKE" button here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastrum Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Who would buy an SSD for this game. One game does not justify a $100+ purchase. Let's get serious here. If we had to have one it should have been inserted in the "Minimum System Spec Requirements" page somewhere on the website. (Which it won't be because that's ridiculous). What's next? Sli 680's to get 60+ fps consistent in Warzones at 1080p lololol. Trash engine is trash end of story. Don't defend Bioware, just point out the problem and wait for an update. ROFL. Yeah, getting an SSD is going to benefit just one game. Gotta love game forums, rather than fix problems people would rather ***** and moan about them. Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) If the firewall blocked something it would keep on blocking it and the game wouldn't work. Yes, but sometimes the firewall hangs when performing a check. Actually, it happens a LOT. Edited May 27, 2012 by JeramieCrowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Some weeks ago it was loading uber fast, below 15 seconds. Now it has gone back to normal after some patch. Back to ye olde 2~3 minutes loading screen. But it was worse back in January/February, once I listened to the whole Doors' Light my Fire (something around 7 minutes) before it loaded. Edited May 27, 2012 by Socialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clawrod Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I'm running on an incredible system.. core i7 16gb ram, 2 6970s in crossfire. Windows is on an SSD raid 0 array, tor is on a completely seperate SSD drive. some planets still take 3-4 min. (not exaggerating) to load... taris is a good example. Try loading Corellia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcrirTwyLar Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I'm running on an incredible system.. core i7 16gb ram, 2 6970s in crossfire. Windows is on an SSD raid 0 array, tor is on a completely seperate SSD drive. some planets still take 3-4 min. (not exaggerating) to load... taris is a good example. If this is true, something is wrong. I have an outdated system and I get load times this good. I believe there is some maintenance that can be done to ssd drives. I forget what it is called, but ssd drives supposedly slow down a lot once you've written enough information do the drive that it would have filled the drive (If stuff hadn't been removed). I was reading an article where raid 0 on ssd drives was tested and it was stated that you cannot perform this maintenance on ssd drives in a raid 0 configuration. I personally am planning on just getting two fast 7200 or 10k hard drives and putting them in raid 0 configuration. I was hoping that this would help my load times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restepor Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I'm running on a laptop and loading screens are 3-4 minutes tops for me. Something has to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabaal Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) I personally am planning on just getting two fast 7200 or 10k hard drives and putting them in raid 0 configuration. I was hoping that this would help my load times. That's not going to help you, the difference between an SSD a single HDD, HHD's in RAID or any other configuration is minimal at best when it comes to this game. A single SSD is faster than even the most expensive HDD's in raid and even that doesn't shave off more than a couple of seconds for TOR. The game does have excessive load times regardless of setup but the people taking multiple minutes have to have something wrong on their end. For your comment on SSD's slowing down, i think the word you were looking for was TRIM. Windows enables it automatically when installed on an SSD but can be checked by opening CMD and typing "fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify" if it comes back with =1 then it's not enabled, if it comes back with =0 then it is. Edited May 27, 2012 by Kabaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 If this is true, something is wrong. I have an outdated system and I get load times this good. I believe there is some maintenance that can be done to ssd drives. I forget what it is called, but ssd drives supposedly slow down a lot once you've written enough information do the drive that it would have filled the drive (If stuff hadn't been removed). I was reading an article where raid 0 on ssd drives was tested and it was stated that you cannot perform this maintenance on ssd drives in a raid 0 configuration. I personally am planning on just getting two fast 7200 or 10k hard drives and putting them in raid 0 configuration. I was hoping that this would help my load times. The thing is, the stop-calls this engine does is dependent on what processes you have running, not speed of your drive. If there are too many processes running on your PC, then no HD or SSD in the world is going to help you. I think many players can stand with trimming some of the background programs and start-up processes on their PCs, and will notice a vast improvement by doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideyfk Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I am currently playing with an old dual--core Athlon 3.6, 3gb Ram, and Radeon 6450 video board. I DO experience some slow loading times for some planets (not all, probably the biggest ones)...but is has never been 10 minutes! Besides...i KNOW that the issue for this is my own PC, and not the game. Let's face it, you are playing a game that was released at the end of 2011. If i were playing a game released 5 years ago and still experience long loading times, i would have a cause to complain. Personally, i know i need to upgrade my pc, which hopefully im doing it by the end of June. So, as others suggested, i recommend the OP to try to upgrade the PC. I know upgrading has a cost which some people cannot afford it...but as long as you want to play new games, you will feel some annoying thing due to your pc. Loading times take too much but you still enjoy the game? Then have a book nearby to read it in the meantime (i do...currently reading The First Law saga). Just my 2 credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekkoclarky Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I don't know if this is just me but... I went back to wow the other day (They gave me 7 days free so I decided to pop back in). WoW's loading screen, no addons is about 5 to 10 seconds. With dozens of addons, it's about 2 minutes. Other MMOs that I've played are about the same lengh. SWTOR's loading screen is a whopping 5 to 10 MINUTES or longer. My PC is moderately powerful (Core i7, Windows 7, 6 GB ram, 1GB dedicated video memory, plenty of harddrive space). Am the only one suffering these extended loading times? If not, anyone know what I can do about it? If your WoW loading screen takes 2 mins, there is something up with your PC. I also use loads of addons in WoW, it's no where near 2 mins. My SWTOR loading screens are around 2 mins, which imo, is far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcrirTwyLar Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 That's not going to help you, the difference between an SSD a single HDD, HHD's in RAID or any other configuration is minimal at best when it comes to this game. A single SSD is faster than even the most expensive HDD's in raid and even that doesn't shave off more than a couple of seconds for TOR. The game does have excessive load times regardless of setup but the people taking multiple minutes have to have something wrong on their end. For your comment on SSD's slowing down, i think the word you were looking for was TRIM. Windows enables it automatically when installed on an SSD but can be checked by opening CMD and typing "fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify" if it comes back with =1 then it's not enabled, if it comes back with =0 then it is. My reasons for going with two HHD's in raid aren't to get better performance than SSD. My reasons are price/performance. For the price of a good SSD, I can double the space 2-3 HHD's. If I buy 3 identical HHD's and place two of them in Raid 0. I can have the 3rd as back up space. Then if one of my HHD in raid goes bad, I have still have an identical drive I can throw in the raid. Plus I have a network drive that I keep a back up on. I just don't think SSD's are worth the price just yet. As far as SWTOR goes... I was mostly replying to the person who was saying they had those extreme load times. Mine aren't that bad even with a single 3/gbs HHD. So I think they have some sort of problem. If I go with Raid0 HHD's, it's not going to hurt my performance in SWTOR and it's only going to help my performance else where. If you like SSD's and you have the money, good for you. But I'm not going that route just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) I just don't think SSD's are worth the price just yet. I agree. A few years ago, not only were they too pricey, but were unreliable. Their reliability is improving, now just waiting for the price to drop. Even so, I'd still recommend having a second HDD drive to backup all information. Edited May 27, 2012 by JeramieCrowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabaal Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Price of them has dropped significantly lately with even the better models coming down to 50p per GB, dunno if they'll drop further until the next gen of them release though which might be a while. They might seem expensive but on a good PC they are the upgrade that gives the biggest general performance boost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironcleaver Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 New info on this: They leased the engine, but then developed their own. At any rate, the engine TOR is using really isn't the HERO engine anymore, either. Good information - thanks for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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