Lurchy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 QFT..I love this game....... Its getting a bit tricky to read the thread now though, seems the forum is having some form of memory leak issue as stuff is randomly disappearing:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Short answer: no I cant say definitively. But I can question the effectiveness of that process when certain design decisions (namely, the multiple iterations of ilum) which are obvious to me and many other players (pvpers) get pushed through to live. I am not being unreasonable either. I agreed with most 1.2 balance changes barring commando nerfs for exactly the reasons that ohlen posted. The glimpses we get into their thought processes are rare, and often times not even made on these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainInsano Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Didn't read the thread but hopefully someone pointed out that EA has to pay licensing fees to LucasArts and the estimated $200 million to create the game doesn't cover marketing expenses, which are probably hovering around $80 million. Also, EA only gets the full $60 per purchase from Origin sales because retailers have to get their cut. There are also operating/staffing expenses to consider. I'm too lazy to dig up numbers but the quoted revenue in the OP is probably too high and the expenses are way too low. Regardless, if EA merely recoups their costs for this game it will be considered a huge failure. The ROI on a 5 year investment like this would be abyssmal if it barely breaks even considering the huge appeal of the IP and investors/LucasArts would not be pleased. Edited May 25, 2012 by CaptainInsano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakkip Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I mean... that sounds a lot more like damage control (even before release). Well... when people notice that we don't have X feature and Y feature and Z feature... that was intended! Lol...sigh... of course as they add more and more features to the game... you know... I'm just not buying it. Especially when there are other posts sayings things like "We copied WoW's mechanics on suchandsuch because it was already proven" The two assertions are so diametrically opposed that only a politician could talk out of both sides of his mouth more effectively PS... how come my auto spellcheck/grammar check is now turned off on posts... my engrish sucks and I need that to clean up my posts =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Its getting a bit tricky to read the thread now though, seems the forum is having some form of memory leak issue as stuff is randomly disappearing:eek: I see what you did there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoCarnage Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Didn't read the thread but hopefully someone pointed out that EA has to pay licensing fees to LucasArts and the estimated $200 million to create the game doesn't cover marketing expenses, which are probably hovering around $80 million. Also, EA only gets the full $60 per purchase from Origin sales because retailers have to get their cut. There are also operating/staffing expenses to consider. I'm too lazy to dig up numbers but the quoted revenue in the OP is probably too high and the expenses are way too low. Regardless, if EA merely recoups their costs for this game it will be considered a huge failure. The ROI on a 5 year investment like this would be abyssmal if it barely breaks even considering the huge appeal of the IP and investors/LucasArts would not be pleased. Then they should protect that investment!!! Making excuses for them does not FIX anything!!! Edited May 25, 2012 by MoCarnage typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurchy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Short answer: no I cant say definitively. But I can question the effectiveness of that process when certain design decisions (namely, the multiple iterations of ilum) which are obvious to me and many other players (pvpers) get pushed through to live. I am not being unreasonable either. I agreed with most 1.2 balance changes barring commando nerfs for exactly the reasons that ohlen posted. The glimpses we get into their thought processes are rare, and often times not even made on these forums. Trooper Commando had to be nerfed! Its the BH Mercenary nerf that should not have happened!! :mad:grr111:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I see what you did there! lol. The incredible shrinking thread. Thats they job, though. Anyway, jc, would you defend their last minute pulling of rated warzones and subsequent silence about it?. Infrastructure arguments inc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Short answer: no I cant say definitively. But I can question the effectiveness of that process when certain design decisions (namely, the multiple iterations of ilum) which are obvious to me and many other players (pvpers) get pushed through to live. I am not being unreasonable either. I agreed with most 1.2 balance changes barring commando nerfs for exactly the reasons that ohlen posted. The glimpses we get into their thought processes are rare, and often times not even made on these forums. Definitely would like more glimpses into their thought processes on these forums, that's for sure. Hopefully the restructure will mean more info. What's happening with the open-world PvP revamp, BioWare?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurchy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Didn't read the thread but hopefully someone pointed out that EA has to pay licensing fees to LucasArts and the estimated $200 million to create the game doesn't cover marketing expenses, which are probably hovering around $80 million. Also, EA only gets the full $60 per purchase from Origin sales because retailers have to get their cut. There are also operating/staffing expenses to consider. I'm too lazy to dig up numbers but the quoted revenue in the OP is probably too high and the expenses are way too low. Regardless, if EA merely recoups their costs for this game it will be considered a huge failure. The ROI on a 5 year investment like this would be abyssmal if it barely breaks even considering the huge appeal of the IP and investors/LucasArts would not be pleased. I have read the thread, yes it has already been mentioned and yes I have followed this crucial and valuable information in adjusting my entire investment portfolio. This forum has saved me thousands in monthly overheads as it has enabled me to shut down my Reuters info and Bloomberg subscriptions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakkip Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Reminds me of a guy who was playing Warcraft (the rts) here at work and claimed it was a screen saver that he wrote when the boss walked by. The boss believed him until his son, who works here and plays games told his Dad what it was. True Story. Last year I was working late one night (I was salary so no overtime paid) I usually work like 8-5 it was around 8pm at night. I was trying to get some things finished up on a project and was planning on staying until around midnight. Rather than go home, I just jumped into WoW to play with my son for an hour or so and then get back to work. My boss walks into my office (My computer faced away from the door) and asks me "What are you working on right now?" I replied "Nothing, I am playing video games at the moment" There's this long pause... and he says "Yeah haha funny but seriously what are you working on?" I spin my laptop around and say "See it's a video game, I am playing with my son before he has to go to bed, and since I am staying late tonight, and skipped both lunch and dinner I am taking an hour to hang out with my son. I can instead go home like everyone else at 5 if you like and let you finish what I was working on, then you know, I won't be playing a video game at work." He ponders it for a few seconds and said "Naw, you go ahead and do whatever you need to do" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) lol. The incredible shrinking thread. Thats they job, though. Anyway, jc, would you defend their last minute pulling of rated warzones and subsequent silence about it?. Infrastructure arguments inc The last-minute pulling, well it's not like that's never happened in other games, especially with the fact that BioWare told us that its implementation was dependent on testing. Subsequent silence? For this long, no, but I bet we get info on it today. Still waiting on OPvP info, though. No excuse for the silence there. At all. Edited May 25, 2012 by JeramieCrowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurchy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I see what you did there! shhhh the first rule of Forum club is you dont talk about Forum club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 The last-minute pulling, well it's not like that's never happened in other games, especially with the fact that BioWare told us that its implementation was dependent on testing. Subsequent silence? For this long, no, but I bet we get info on it today. Still waiting on OPvP info, though. No excuse for the silence there. At all. What makes you say that? Getting word from them lately is like trying to squeeze water out of a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) shhhh the first rule of Forum club is you dont talk about Forum club! They're not gone. They are um .. just invisible... yeah .. that's the ticket. I swear I am never going to break 1000 forum posts. Edited May 25, 2012 by Urael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 What makes you say that? Getting word from them lately is like trying to squeeze water out of a stone. 1.3 Q&A and dev blogs incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urael Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 1.3 Q&A and dev blogs incoming. Soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superawesomerman Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Definitely would like more glimpses into their thought processes on these forums, that's for sure. Hopefully the restructure will mean more info. What's happening with the open-world PvP revamp, BioWare?! Owpvp would be nice, but damned if im not more interested in rated! After ilum, id be fine if they just concentrate on other things for the time being :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeramieCrowe Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Owpvp would be nice, but damned if im not more interested in rated! After ilum, id be fine if they just concentrate on other things for the time being :/ Yeah, I'm not worried about rated, personally, because I know it's coming. OPvP, though... not a peep! Last thing was said was that they were working on a total revamp.... then utter and eery silence. And no, it's not golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tloops Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 (edited) Funny how all the people who are bashing this game, havent left the forums in 2 months. If you know you hate this game why even be here - period. Go play what you like, with the other 100 griefers on the forums. Or is fair too much to ask for? i have 19 days left,and ill use it as i please...if bioware creats a miracle in those 19 days i may stay...if not, see you in GW2. Edited May 25, 2012 by tloops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurchy Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Owpvp would be nice, but damned if im not more interested in rated! After ilum, id be fine if they just concentrate on other things for the time being :/ Really? Damn, if they introduced a decent working meaningful R v R aspect to this game and and seperate 8 man and solo WZ qeueing I would not care if they never even spoke about rated again, hell I would probably re up for another 6 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCjv Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 Definitely would like more glimpses into their thought processes on these forums, that's for sure. Hopefully the restructure will mean more info. What's happening with the open-world PvP revamp, BioWare?! I agree there needs to be more info on these forums; I hate having to go somewhere else to find information they don't post here. I believe a small thread where once a week they name something they are working on or looking into, why they are doing it, and if they are able how they are going about it. A date wouldn't be necessary; but it would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeANGELofDEATH Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 I agree there needs to be more info on these forums; I hate having to go somewhere else to find information they don't post here. I believe a small thread where once a week they name something they are working on or looking into, why they are doing it, and if they are able how they are going about it. A date wouldn't be necessary; but it would be nice. They already do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCjv Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 i have 19 days left,and ill use it as i please...if bioware creats a miracle in those 19 days i may stay...if not, see you in GW2. Already pre-purchased GW2, since there is no sub for it I would play TOR as well if they fixed it up. I'll keep checking back after my 30days runs out, but as time goes by my hope is waning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaknyuszi Posted May 25, 2012 Author Share Posted May 25, 2012 They already do. haha nice, now maybe thats the problem here. ppl sometimes miss stuff that already exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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