ImperialSalesman Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 Yes there is more than one Spec Forces Squad, You run into a few during the Bounty Hunter's Story line on Balmorra. That said I'm going to go ARC Troopers. Your a bit wrong on them receiving additional training, unless your talking about the the ARC Troopers who were originally Clonetroopers who got promoted to the position like Echo and Fives. I'm sure the ARC Troopers the OP is talking about are the genetically bred variety. ARC Troopers are genetically altered to be basically "Raw Jango" They can be independant and can work as a team if need be. And they can question or bend orders if they see a flaw. Essentially they are Jango Fett except they are loyal to the Republic. Even willing to sacrifice other clone embryos during the Battle of Kamino if they were in danger of falling into the wrong hands. Comparing them to a regular Clonetrooper is sort of an insult. Lets use Fordo's Rescue Force as an example. This squad has Two Heavy Gunners. a Rotary Cannon and Quad Laser which technically brings the fire power to 5x that of Jorgan and the Commander rolling Commando combined. They also have maybe 6-4 Lieutenants packing Westar Assault Rifles equiped with Grenade Launchers. Fordo is packing Dual Pistols with an electroshock cord I figure they could handle Jorgan and the Commander pretty well. For 4X they'd simply unload all their weapons into him, Grenade Launchers and all like they did Grievous, and 4X isn't as Fast or Agile as Grievous meaning he would get caught in the blast. And if that didn't do it they'd call the Gunship in which would blow it's way in and Vaporize 4X. and really any member of Havoc Squad in sight. That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage. See Thats what im talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyurii Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage. You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2? The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based. Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same. They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios. Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads. The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible. Victory would be decided by their combat experience. The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions. Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 (edited) You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2? The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based. Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same. They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios. Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads. The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible. Victory would be decided by their combat experience. The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions. Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC. They just gonna say clones, cause they were clones of a mandalorian. Of course really, the "newer" mandos, got nothing on the OG Taungs. Edited June 4, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CassusVerda Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 You do realise that combat tactics and methods used by special forces haven't changed much since WW2? The only real changes that have happened are equipment and weapon based. Given how little offensive and defensive tech has changed in just over 3,500 years in SW, the tactics of both Havoc Squad and a squad of ARC Troopers would be almost the same. They've both fought similar types of enemies and in the same kinds of scenarios. Not to mention that there's no advantage to having flash training over traditional training when dealing with two groups of hardened special forces squads. The whole point of the flash training in all clones was because of time constraints. Their accelerated growth rate, and having to have them combat ready in as short a time as possible. Victory would be decided by their combat experience. The biggest problem with this thread though, is when comparisons are made that use game mechanics of the Trooper and companions. Look at Jace Malcolm (Trooper from the trailers). He was both Commando and Vanguard, so either Havoc Commander (we the Trooper) is both, or is one or the other with access to all abilities (non-passive and no ammo type based passives either) in the talent trees of the respective AC. Good point. I agree and change my opinion..though I'm still pulling for the ARCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyurii Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Good point. I agree and change my opinion..though I'm still pulling for the ARCs. The point was, it's not a cut & dry case for either ARCs or Havoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialSalesman Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 ARCs were supposed to be better than any clone trooper (including delta), and havoc were only a hardened squad. they weren't unbreakable (as any trooper player would know because of traitors) there were no ARC traitors, They caused the droid army many losses (Fordo's squad not Commander Colt's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KronosVizsla Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 There already is an ARC Troopers guild on the Ebon Hawk Server. I'd say go for Havoc Squad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KronosVizsla Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 We were an active, but most of our officers in our guild have become inactive. The ARC Troopers have a FB Page, website and Instagram down below. Find info on Website! Site: Arctroopersonline.enjin.com FB Page: ARC Troopers Online Instagram: Swtor_arctroopers If your a trooper/smuggler on Ord Mantell, Look for Kaon SilentStorm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gees Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yes there is more than one Spec Forces Squad, You run into a few during the Bounty Hunter's Story line on Balmorra. That said I'm going to go ARC Troopers. Your a bit wrong on them receiving additional training, unless your talking about the the ARC Troopers who were originally Clonetroopers who got promoted to the position like Echo and Fives. I'm sure the ARC Troopers the OP is talking about are the genetically bred variety. ARC Troopers are genetically altered to be basically "Raw Jango" They can be independant and can work as a team if need be. And they can question or bend orders if they see a flaw. Essentially they are Jango Fett except they are loyal to the Republic. Even willing to sacrifice other clone embryos during the Battle of Kamino if they were in danger of falling into the wrong hands. Comparing them to a regular Clonetrooper is sort of an insult. Lets use Fordo's Rescue Force as an example. This squad has Two Heavy Gunners. a Rotary Cannon and Quad Laser which technically brings the fire power to 5x that of Jorgan and the Commander rolling Commando combined. They also have maybe 6-4 Lieutenants packing Westar Assault Rifles equiped with Grenade Launchers. Fordo is packing Dual Pistols with an electroshock cord I figure they could handle Jorgan and the Commander pretty well. For 4X they'd simply unload all their weapons into him, Grenade Launchers and all like they did Grievous, and 4X isn't as Fast or Agile as Grievous meaning he would get caught in the blast. And if that didn't do it they'd call the Gunship in which would blow it's way in and Vaporize 4X. and really any member of Havoc Squad in sight. That...and the ancient tactics that Havoc Squad used were most likely flash trained into the the ARC Troopers during their gestation period. Giving them a tactical advantage. Not to mention all clones have been trained since birth to be soldiers. Their entire lives dedicated to war. IMO, that extra few years of training and ideology gives them the edge over Havoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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