Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Tis true. Revan 'fell' or at least started 'falling' to the Dark Side during the Mandalorian Wars. He & Malak grew to despise weakness, indecisiveness, etc. This was before they faced Vitiate, after directly defying the Jedi Council. After he broke free of Vitiate's control, he remained a Dark Sith, grasping for his own Sith Empire to challenge Vitiate's. Revan may have ended up light, grey, etc. but his true self belongs wielding a red lightsaber, not whatever the Jedi Council who mind wiped & perverted him wanted. I say this to reassure us Sith/Dark leaning Revan admirers, fan boys. Whether he knows it or not anymore, with us is where he belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 You know he became stronger when he was reborn right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 You know he became stronger when he was reborn right? Pfft, proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Pfft, proof? Its obvious. And kind of through common sense. By the time of the Revan novel. We now know he has remembered his time as a Dark Sider. Meaning he knows(Knows, not mastered. But Knows) both Dark Side Abilities and Light-Side Abilities and new Abilities he learned during the time of KOTOR and the Revan Novel. Drew himself also stated he was in his Prime as Reborn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 Its obvious. And kind of through common sense. By the time of the Revan novel. We now know he has remembered his time as a Dark Sider. Meaning he knows(Knows, not mastered. But Knows) both Dark Side Abilities and Light-Side Abilities and new Abilities he learned during the time of KOTOR and the Revan Novel. Drew himself also stated he was in his Prime as Reborn.. I suppose. He was in his prime as Dark Lord too also. Still a perversion tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I suppose. He was in his prime as Dark Lord too also. Still a perversion tho. How? He learned several more abilities post-Dark-Side. That includes the Force Blast that sent Vitiate flying. And Abilities like Whirlwind and steal knowledge from his opponents and redirect lightning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeutschGamer Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Just because he had a little mind wipe doesn't mean evil Revan was real Revan, real Revan was when he reassumed his old identity during his gray alignment. He could have gone back to being a Sith Lord, but instead he used knowledge from both lives to become something else. Edited April 15, 2012 by DeutschGamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Just because he had a little mind wipe doesn't mean evil Revan was real Revan, real Revan was when he reassumed his old identity during his gray alignment. He could have gone back to being a Sith Lord, but instead he used knowledge from both lives to become something else. I'm hoping very much that you know the Force doesn't actually work that way, and you can not, in fact, use both the Light Side and the Dark Side at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeutschGamer Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I'm hoping very much that you know the Force doesn't actually work that way, and you can not, in fact, use both the Light Side and the Dark Side at the same time. SW lore is so convoluted its rare to find any topic that doesn't have two side to an argument. I never said in my post he used both, I said he was gray being not a Jedi or a Sith. I'm not well versed enough nor do I care enough about the subject of what force powers can be used depending on alignment, I'm just saying Revan is not a Sith Lord or a Jedi Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 SW lore is so convoluted its rare to find any topic that doesn't have two side to an argument. I never said in my post he used both, I said he was gray being not a Jedi or a Sith. I'm not well versed enough nor do I care enough about the subject of what force powers can be used depending on alignment, I'm just saying Revan is not a Sith Lord or a Jedi Master. So what's this "Gray" deal? Not being a Jedi or a Sith doesn't preclude a character's alignment, there are plenty of Dark Side and Light Side characters that didn't adhere to either philosophy. In fact, there's no Canonical evidence at all that Revan was ever "gray", he's always very much either Light Side or Dark Side. Mostly Dark Side because, for some reason, he falls much easier than pretty much every other Jedi in the history of Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 So what's this "Gray" deal? Not being a Jedi or a Sith doesn't preclude a character's alignment, there are plenty of Dark Side and Light Side characters that didn't adhere to either philosophy. In fact, there's no Canonical evidence at all that Revan was ever "gray", he's always very much either Light Side or Dark Side. Mostly Dark Side because, for some reason, he falls much easier than pretty much every other Jedi in the history of Star Wars. Luke said, there is no Gray. There is onyl Dark and Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 How? He learned several more abilities post-Dark-Side. That includes the Force Blast that sent Vitiate flying. And Abilities like Whirlwind and steal knowledge from his opponents and redirect lightning... Was he not young & fit as a Darth? Whirlwind was a Dark Side Force technique last time I checked. My Sorc knew it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Was he not young & fit as a Darth? Whirlwind was a Dark Side Force technique last time I checked. My Sorc knew it anyway. He learned as Reborn. The Reborn Revan used both DS and LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 He learned as Reborn. The Reborn Revan used both DS and LS. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeutschGamer Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) "It was said that when Revan was 'reborn' after his memory loss, he was neither 'Jedi' nor 'Sith' - Just someone who did what was right." -Wookiepedia This is what I meant by Gray, he was not a Jedi or a Sith in his latest appearance. Edited April 15, 2012 by DeutschGamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 "It was said that when Revan was 'reborn' after his memory loss, he was neither 'Jedi' nor 'Sith' - Just someone who did what was right." -Wookiepedia This is what I meant by Gray, he was not a Jedi or a Sith in his latest appearance. He most certainly was a Jedi as Reborn. The Jedi Council didn't like him, but the Republic forced them to accept him. Its in the beginning of the Revan Novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeutschGamer Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 He most certainly was a Jedi as Reborn. The Jedi Council didn't like him, but the Republic forced them to accept him. Its in the beginning of the Revan Novel. I disagree, Jedi by name only. I don't believe that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I disagree, Jedi by name only. I don't believe that counts. So? He was a Jedi as Reborn, it was his title. In fact he acknowledged it. Kyle Katarn used LS and DS and yet he is a Jedi. Hell, even Luke has shown to know some DS Abiltiies. I doubt making a Black Hole is a "good" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 He most certainly was a Jedi as Reborn. The Jedi Council didn't like him, but the Republic forced them to accept him. Its in the beginning of the Revan Novel. The Jedi Council: It's OUR way *****, or task force, mind wipe highway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelousWang Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 He learned as Reborn. The Reborn Revan used both DS and LS. It's impossible to use the both the LS and the DS at the same time. The Darkside is used by channeling emotions. The Lightside is used by being in a tranquil and focused state. That is canon. The fact that the Darkside is used by emotion comes for GL himself and so much of the EU, it can never be disputed (Fear, Hate and Anger being the most powerfully linked and effective). Even positive emotions fuel the Darkside (however they are much weaker than negative emotions, which why they are never used). The fact that the Lightide is used via tranquility and focus comes mostly for the EU, but it is also mentioned by Ahsoka Tano in the Clone Wars Animated Movie, when she describes to Anakin how everything was so much easier when acting tranquil and focused as Master Yoda told her. It is impossible for a human to be emotional and tranquil at the same time. The only reason you can use the LS and DS at the same time in KOTOR, 2 and TOR is game mechanics. Pure and simple. Canon Revan can only use the Darkside or Light at any one period in his life, not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 It's impossible to use the both the LS and the DS at the same time. The Darkside is used by channeling emotions. The Lightside is used by being in a tranquil and focused state. That is canon. The fact that the Darkside is used by emotion comes for GL himself and so much of the EU, it can never be disputed (Fear, Hate and Anger being the most powerfully linked and effective). Even positive emotions fuel the Darkside (however they are much weaker than negative emotions, which why they are never used). The fact that the Lightide is used via tranquility and focus comes mostly for the EU, but it is also mentioned by Ahsoka Tano in the Clone Wars Animated Movie, when she describes to Anakin how everything was so much easier when acting tranquil and focused as Master Yoda told her. It is impossible for a human to be emotional and tranquil at the same time. The only reason you can use the LS and DS at the same time in KOTOR, 2 and TOR is game mechanics. Pure and simple. Canon Revan can only use the Darkside or Light at any one period in his life, not both. I didn't say at the same time... I agree with everything you said. But I didn't say at the same time. He knew both LS and DS abilities. And could use Both LS and DS Abilities as Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azumio Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Revan dragged Malak down with him. Malak says as much when you fight him on the Star Forge. Whatever, in the end Revan turned out to be a level 38 elite that was super easy. He was weak, son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokdron Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Revan dragged Malak down with him. Malak says as much when you fight him on the Star Forge. Whatever, in the end Revan turned out to be a level 38 elite that was super easy. He was weak, son. And fell to the dark side again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 Revan dragged Malak down with him. Malak says as much when you fight him on the Star Forge. Whatever, in the end Revan turned out to be a level 38 elite that was super easy. He was weak, son. Dragged his lame apprentice down? Malak was weak willed enough to follow, nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azumio Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Dragged his lame apprentice down? Malak was weak willed enough to follow, nuff said. Anyone would have followed Revan. The Jedi council were a bunch of stuck up snobs sitting in peaceful villas while innocent people were getting slaughtered. Revan fixed that. Then promptly fell to the darkside, but such is the life of great Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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