Darth_Solrac Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 So is the chief reasoning behind Obi Wan getting lolpwned by Dooku (twice actually) still cuz he was simply tired? That's it? He sure looked like he had plenty of energy/willpower/confidence left right before he fought Dooku. He's supposed to be the greatest practitioner of his style ever, right? Soooo..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToEasy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) So is the chief reasoning behind Obi Wan getting lolpwned by Dooku (twice actually) still cuz he was simply tired? That's it? He sure looked like he had plenty of energy/willpower/confidence left right before he fought Dooku. He's supposed to be the greatest practitioner of his style ever, right? Soooo..... Well Dooku had more experience and was a far greater duelist than Obi-Wan was. Edited April 3, 2012 by ToEasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickpaw Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Dooku beats Obi wan beats Anikan beats Dooku... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscad Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 So is the chief reasoning behind Obi Wan getting lolpwned by Dooku (twice actually) still cuz he was simply tired? That's it? He sure looked like he had plenty of energy/willpower/confidence left right before he fought Dooku. He's supposed to be the greatest practitioner of his style ever, right? Soooo..... Dooku taught Qui-Gon it isn't unlikely that Qui-Gon taught Obi-Wan what he had learned from Dooku, this would mean that Doou would know alot of Obi-Wan's moves and tricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) Honestly the reason Dooku beat Obi-Wan was because that was how the story was wrote and the way they wanted it to come out. Edited April 3, 2012 by ScarletBlaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Obi-Wan's style was weak against Dooku's. Plus being one of the jedi's former most skilled duelists and a swordmaster, something that Obi-Wan was not gave him an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Solrac Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Obi-Wan's style was weak against Dooku's. Plus being one of the jedi's former most skilled duelists and a swordmaster, something that Obi-Wan was not gave him an edge. Right, I've heard that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Obi-Wan wasn't near the swordsman that Dooku was. In fact, he wasn't that great a swordsman at all. He had excellent Defense, and he was a master tactician, which helped him win countless battles. He was also an expert at finding his enemy's weaknesses, and exploiting them. But as for raw talent with a lightsaber, he wasn't all that great. Quite a few times, he trolled his opponents into getting sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So is the chief reasoning behind Obi Wan getting lolpwned by Dooku (twice actually) still cuz he was simply tired? That's it? He sure looked like he had plenty of energy/willpower/confidence left right before he fought Dooku. He's supposed to be the greatest practitioner of his style ever, right? Soooo..... Dooku is The Greatest Practictioner of Makashi. He is to Makashi what Obi is to Soresu. Rhyltran made me realize something in a discussion about the Forms. All Prequel Characters that Sword Fight are the greatest users of the form they show. Obi-wan= Soresu Anakin= Djem So Dooku= Makashi Mace= Vapaad Qui-Gon= Ataru Though the only one I may find debatable is Qui-Gon... Yoda's primary was Ataru as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Obi-Wan wasn't near the swordsman that Dooku was. In fact, he wasn't that great a swordsman at all. He had excellent Defense, and he was a master tactician, which helped him win countless battles. He was also an expert at finding his enemy's weaknesses, and exploiting them. But as for raw talent with a lightsaber, he wasn't all that great. Quite a few times, he trolled his opponents into getting sloppy. You realise Obi-Wan was the greatest Soresu practitioner of all time, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You realise Obi-Wan was the greatest Soresu practitioner of all time, right? And Makashi was a perfect counter fortunately or unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 And Makashi was a perfect counter fortunately or unfortunately. Poor Obi-Wan, being whooped by an old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You realise Obi-Wan was the greatest Soresu practitioner of all time, right? Yep. He had 6 foot thick lead wall defense. The ONLY way Vader beat him on the Death Star was he let his guard down and basically commited suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Yep. He had 6 foot thick lead wall defense. The ONLY way Vader beat him on the Death Star was he let his guard down and basically commited suicide. No... Vader would crush Obi if he was trying or not. He nearly beat him in Mustafar.. Post-Mustafar he became a better Dueist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 No... Vader would crush Obi if he was trying or not. He nearly beat him in Mustafar.. Post-Mustafar he became a better Dueist. Also Obi-Wan hadn't had a proper lightsaber duel in what....like 30 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Also Obi-Wan hadn't had a proper lightsaber duel in what....like 30 years? And yet, he STILL gave the impression that he was basically toying with Vader. Looking for a weakness or opening. Vader was trying, and still couldn't do it until Obi-Wan dropped his guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 And yet, he STILL gave the impression that he was basically toying with Vader. Looking for a weakness or opening. Vader was trying, and still couldn't do it until Obi-Wan dropped his guard. Where does it say that Vader was trying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Where does it say that Vader was trying? He was trying to find a way through Obi-Wan's defense, and couldn't do it until his guard went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 He was trying to find a way through Obi-Wan's defense, and couldn't do it until his guard went down. Except Obi-Wan was beginning to weaken, and Vader says that his powers were weak. Eventually even if Obi-Wan didn't sacrifice himself he would have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Zone Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Except Obi-Wan was beginning to weaken, and Vader says that his powers were weak. Eventually even if Obi-Wan didn't sacrifice himself he would have lost. Maybe. Or he MIGHT have ended up trolling ol' Vader enough that he would mess up and "Hey, Vader. You is pwned again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malrus Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 It is said that Dooku and Yoda were the only two known to have bested windu in a duel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budziolus Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Obi lost twice with Dooku because he was worse duelist than Count. Yoda, Windu, Dooku, Sidious, Maul and Anakin Skywalker were much better than him. He was although master of defense but he win with Vader on Mustafar only because of Anakin's arrogance, fury, anger and mistakes which comes from them - the same in fight with Darth Maul. He couldn't defeat Dooku because he was always calm and he controls the Dark Side and never was blinded by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordMagnus Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 he was the apprentice of yoda as well u fools and a master of both aspects of the force and the only reson hes defeated buy anikain is because the empour betrays him fools and yes my speeling sucks but i dont cear cos dooku was a kick *** jedi and sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectreclees Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 he was the apprentice of yoda as well u fools and a master of both aspects of the force and the only reson hes defeated buy anikain is because the empour betrays him fools and yes my speeling sucks but i dont cear cos dooku was a kick *** jedi and sith Uh... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budziolus Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 he was the apprentice of yoda as well u fools and a master of both aspects of the force and the only reson hes defeated buy anikain is because the empour betrays him fools and yes my speeling sucks but i dont cear cos dooku was a kick *** jedi and sith So you are telling that Dooku was defeated by Anakin only because Darth Sidious betrayed him? Palpatine betrayed him but this didn't change that fight at all. Dooku start this duel as a show, a game to test Skywalker's strenght but then he realised that Anakin is far more powerfull than him, that his fury and Force potential gives him unlimited power so Anakin defeats Dooku because he was just better in that fight. Palpatine's treason affected only the end of fight - instead of taken to prison Dooku was killed. PS. If you are using in your signature words of Darth Vader the Dark Lord of the Sith, do it properly, it's "knew" not "new" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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