Lord_Karsk Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) This Darth Plagueis said in the novel Dart Plagueis. Still on master and one apprentice as always but more Sith as to be stronger and challenge the Jedi. This is why there were more Sith after when Sidious came to rule after Plagueis.He says that Bane's rule of two is "old" The force is a living thing that evolve,Sidious also knew this.This is well described in the episode III novel were Yoda admits the Sith has evolved while the Jedi have not. This is why the light side of the force wanted to start over with Luke and the new Jedi order. BTW i really recommend the book.Check out the sample of it under the image. Awesome VO. Sample is about Sidious.Novel is about 65 years before battle of Yavin. When Plagueis discover the future Sidious and we learn about Palpatines background. http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B006PFYCW6&qid=1331710998&sr=1-1 Edited March 14, 2012 by Lord_Karsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Star Wars canon = Movies/What George says > TV series > books In the Star Wars: The Clone Wars tv series, Season 3 Epsiode 12 "Nightsisters" written by Katie Lucas (George Lucas' daughter)... ... Darth Sidious/Palpatine contacts Darth Tyranous/Count Dooku and tells him that he has sensed that Dooku's "assassin", Asajj Ventress, has grown strong with the darkside and wants to know if Dooku is training an apprentice so that they can overthrow him. Dooku responds saying she is just an assassin, but Sidious orders Dooku to kill her as a sign of loyalty to him. Doesn't that show adherence to the Rule of Two? IMO... The Sith evolved into the Rule of Two. Edited March 14, 2012 by Quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Relick Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Right the sith rule of two has stayed though the reign of the emperor but it does change back to the old way after luke takes over and the sith make a great comeback as they always do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuriousJimmy Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Darth Plagueis were mostly looking to get rid of the rule of two simply because the rule of two is there to ensure the tradition continues because the assumption is that the master will always perish.(This is flat-out stated by Bane in his parts of Book of Sith). Plagueis and Sidious both wanted to live forever. Plagueis didn't even want secrets between him and Sidious because he wanted to combine all their resources into discovering eternal life. He was panicky about dying. Regardless, they both still adhered to the rule of two, though Sidious continued to push borders on it by ensuring he had an apprentice lined up before he offed his master or lost his current apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebelexile Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I thought it was Darth Krayt who overturned the 'rule of two', wasn't it mentioned in 'Crosscurrent'? Or am I getting it hopelessly wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrong_turn Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 This Darth Plagueis said in the novel Dart Plagueis. Still on master and one apprentice as always but more Sith as to be stronger and challenge the Jedi. This is why there were more Sith after when Sidious came to rule after Plagueis.He says that Bane's rule of two is "old" The force is a living thing that evolve,Sidious also knew this.This is well described in the episode III novel were Yoda admits the Sith has evolved while the Jedi have not. This is why the light side of the force wanted to start over with Luke and the new Jedi order. BTW i really recommend the book.Check out the sample of it under the image. Awesome VO. Sample is about Sidious.Novel is about 65 years before battle of Yavin. When Plagueis discover the future Sidious and we learn about Palpatines background. http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B006PFYCW6&qid=1331710998&sr=1-1 The TV show plays a little fast and loose with the Rule of Two, but Ventress is never a true Sith. She is an Acolyte not an Apprentice to Count Dooku meaning she was never going to raise to the level of Sith Lord. Plagueis may have suggested abolishing the Rule of Two, but it wasn't until well after Palpatine that it actually happened. So no, your wrong. The Rule of Two still exists after Plagueis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 The TV show plays a little fast and loose with the Rule of Two, but Ventress is never a true Sith. She is an Acolyte not an Apprentice to Count Dooku meaning she was never going to raise to the level of Sith Lord. Plagueis may have suggested abolishing the Rule of Two, but it wasn't until well after Palpatine that it actually happened. So no, your wrong. The Rule of Two still exists after Plagueis. Yep, it goes away when Palpatine dies since there are no more true sith lords after him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yep, it goes away when Palpatine dies since there are no more true sith lords after him. And that's the reason I don't count Jacen as a true Sith. Or Krayt, or Talon, or any of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonimator Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 And that's the reason I don't count Jacen as a true Sith. Or Krayt, or Talon, or any of those people. Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ. True, Jacen only really learned from Lumiya, who like Ventress wasn't truly Sith (TCW's not the only one that played fast & loose with the Rule; the EU in general did, too, like the REPUBLIC comics featuring many acolytes that weren't ever actually identified as Sith: Ventress, Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, probably some others I'm forgetting; they aspired to be Sith, but were only ever tools of Dooku and Sidious; of course, Darth Maul was the same according to the Plagueis book, but be believed himself to be Sith and got the 'Darth' title too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ. True, Jacen only really learned from Lumiya, who like Ventress wasn't truly Sith (TCW's not the only one that played fast & loose with the Rule; the EU in general did, too, like the REPUBLIC comics featuring many acolytes that weren't ever actually identified as Sith: Ventress, Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, probably some others I'm forgetting; they aspired to be Sith, but were only ever tools of Dooku and Sidious; of course, Darth Maul was the same according to the Plagueis book, but be believed himself to be Sith and got the 'Darth' title too) Krayt was never a true sith lord, he was a self proclaimed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauldronBorn Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 True, Jacen only really learned from Lumiya, who like Ventress wasn't truly Sith (TCW's not the only one that played fast & loose with the Rule; the EU in general did, too, like the REPUBLIC comics featuring many acolytes that weren't ever actually identified as Sith: Ventress, Sora Bulq, Tol Skorr, probably some others I'm forgetting; they aspired to be Sith, but were only ever tools of Dooku and Sidious; of course, Darth Maul was the same according to the Plagueis book, but be believed himself to be Sith and got the 'Darth' title too) Acolytes were not considered sith, just 'assistants'. They were given minor/moderate training in the dark side to hook them in and make them useful, but they'd never progress past that point into a sith lord. There was only ever two 'true' sith during Palpatine's reign: Palpatine and Vader. Everyone else was a throw-away tool. Darth Maul, while he may of had the Darth title, was little more than a placeholder for a better apprentice. Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ. Minor FOTJ spoiler: The Lost Tribe members on Kesh are still alive, elsewhere not so much. Krayt broke the Rule of Two and instituted something that was like a mix of Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness and the old Rule by the Strongest (both of which failed horribly). That is why Bane thinks he is an imposter and not a true heir of the Sith. If I remember right, the ghosts/projections from pretty much all the sith holocrons he had mocked him for being weak. Which kind of invalidates his reign if he can't even get a little grudging respect out of them. As for Vergere, I'm not sure you can really classify what she is. Nominally sith, sometimes jedi, other times who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davack Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Maybe it means that there can only be two sith, but you can have dark jedi as underlings. Like how Palpatine had his Hands of the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Karsk Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) And remember just because they Sith was destroyed with Vader and Sidious doesnt mean there will be no more true Sith.The dark side of the force just like the light side will by itself try to restore balance by getting someone to be Sith again.Just like Exar Kun who went to Yavin 4 i belive it was were he encountered the ancient Sith lords.Same goes for Jedi. Even if all the Jedi were destroyed the light side would try and balance things out with a champion like it did with Anakin.You can never destroy the light or dark side.You need both. Just like love and hate they will never go away. Edited March 14, 2012 by Lord_Karsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnapWolf Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Krayt's Sith Order is an entirely different order, loosely based on the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aximand Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Krayt was never a true sith lord, he was a self proclaimed one. The Sith Lords on Korriban actually made fun of him like that weird pasty ginger kid that ate paste no one talked to in elementary school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Why? Krayt learned to be Sith from an ancient Sith Lord... and Vergere... he found many old holocrons and consulted them regularly. Some, like Bane's holo, considered him an imposter. Then there's the Lost Tribe, who may or may not survive FOTJ. QUOTE] No... Krayt failed. Bane called him a disgrace. And he broke everything the Sith stood for. He was a fool. Edited March 14, 2012 by BrandonSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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