Teabaker Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 A class who isn't tank specced tank terribly too, Veng/Rage Juggs in particular are pretty squishy. You still deal 30% less damage to him because of dual taunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manigma Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Taunts are incredibly visible. Attack the guy who's glowing like a bluish white beacon of hope. I see no such glow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Honestly, for PvE, I'd hate to lose my taunt as a melee dps with tank cooldowns. It's useful for getting **** off the healer or hanging onto a boss a short bit if a tank died. Those rarely involve switching to tank stance, since my Vanguard must CAST his stance change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyrLXXVII Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I must agree that this is pretty low on the list of things that bug me in PvP. But, i do like the suggestion that taunt is only usable in tank stance. It even seems natural that it should be that way. This 10char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I see no such glow.. How? It's bright white! See that red **** on you? Look for the EXACT same thing, only BRIGHT WHITE on a nearby enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manigma Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 How? It's bright white! See that red **** on you? Look for the EXACT same thing, only BRIGHT WHITE on a nearby enemy. No never seen either when taunted, might have to change some settings or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) No never seen either when taunted, might have to change some settings or something. It's possible the taunter is staying away from you. When I taunt as a Vanguard I'll immediately LoS so I don't get roflstomped. Duel a friend with taunts and have them taunt you. So you know what to look for. Edited March 2, 2012 by Grubfist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cernow Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Taunt stacking is the issue here, not taunt itself. It should only be possible to have one taunt effect on you at any one time. If that's not the case they need to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Taunt stacking is the issue here, not taunt itself. It should only be possible to have one taunt effect on you at any one time. If that's not the case they need to fix it. This. If there is any issue with taunts in PvP, this is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyrLXXVII Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Honestly, for PvE, I'd hate to lose my taunt as a melee dps with tank cooldowns. It's useful for getting **** off the healer or hanging onto a boss a short bit if a tank died. Those rarely involve switching to tank stance, since my Vanguard must CAST his stance change. Honestly dps shouldn't have taunt. This is an oversight on BWs part. Just like guard taunt should not be useable outside tank stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Even if there WAS an issue with taunt, the fact that half the people capable of using it don't, makes up for it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyrLXXVII Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Even if there WAS an issue with taunt, the fact that half the people capable of using it don't, makes up for it IMO. Heh, humorous, but not the best way at looking at class balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Heh, humorous, but not the best way at looking at class balance. Indeed. As right as he is, you balance classes around potential, not player skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khabarach Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Not useful when taunter automatically takes 40% less damage because his a tank....Well apart from the obvious in that tanks don't take 40% less damage than dps, isn't this discussion about non tanks using it? Removing it from tanks would just be stupid as it removes one of the primary reasons to take a tank. His point was non heal spec heals suck and taunt doesnt change.The reason taunt works as a tank is because they are tougher to kill. This means that when they taunt it forces dps to either do 30% less damage to their target or switch to a different, tough to kill one. If a non-tank taunts, then the dps gets a choice between attacking their current target or switching to the taunter who is squishy. It's pretty obvious which of these is more effective. Also, I'm not sure on the other tank specs but Immortal Juggs get a lowered CD on their AoE taunt, meaning they can use it more often, hence it will have more of an effect than if a DPS is doing it. You still deal 30% less damage to him because of dual taunt.Haven't we been through this? If 2 people taunt you at once, it means they can keep taunt up for much less overall time. In other words when it runs out, you'll be free to gimp either them or their healer with full damage done. Taunt stacking is the issue here, not taunt itself. It should only be possible to have one taunt effect on you at any one time. If that's not the case they need to fix it.Nobody has shown this to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubfist Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Honestly dps shouldn't have taunt. This is an oversight on BWs part. Just like guard taunt should not be useable outside tank stance. I disagree. It makes things interesting in PvE, to kite and to help deal with problems when **** hits the fan. If you have tank cooldowns, having taunt is reasonable. THey could, however, make taunt's PvP effect be tied in with being in the correct stance or having a certain talent higher in the tank skill tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarrot Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Honestly considering all the other disadvantages melee DPS have in PvP, I think taunt works just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyrLXXVII Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Honestly considering all the other disadvantages melee DPS have in PvP, I think taunt works just fine. See now here is the problem with you statement, "melee dps". Name any other game where ANY dps class has tank abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarrot Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 See now here is the problem with you statement, "melee dps". Name any other game where ANY dps class has tank abilities. DDO The distinction isn't as clear in some games because the classes are more hybrids. Especially in PvP where a true tank role is sort of useless in the current WZ's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makar Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 DDO The distinction isn't as clear in some games because the classes are more hybrids. Especially in PvP where a true tank role is sort of useless in the current WZ's. I do pretty damned well in WZs as tank spec/geared thank you very much. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxion Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I do pretty damned well in WZs as tank spec/geared thank you very much. =P Ditto. Especially with a pocket healer. In that scenario I can defend a door on Voidstar or a point on Alderaan for ages against 2 enemies with ease and a reasonable length of time against 3 or 4, time to reinforce etc or just significantly slowing down the enemy advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyrLXXVII Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 DDO The distinction isn't as clear in some games because the classes are more hybrids. Especially in PvP where a true tank role is sort of useless in the current WZ's. Meh, ok you got me with DDI, but thats based on a game system that does have pvp and rock paper scissors balancing. But aside from that... Maybe tanks don't have a clear roll in pvp here because 1 of the 2 primary uses is available to dps. WAR made tanks viable in pvp, swtor has similar concepts but with some oversight. There is plenty of use for tanks in pvp here... Problem is all the other classes have access to all the same stuff. I mean ever class has all the same variety of cc as the tanks do. So most classes can do the things tanks are meant for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogunjedi Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) I think Taunt is fine on full Tanks with Tank Stance. However, it's just dumb that some DDs can taunt on Cooldown and reduce the Damage against everything by 30%. (If you attack Taunter 1 you will deal 30% Damage less because Taunter 2 has taunted you too. If you attack Taunter 2 you still deal 30% less Damage because Taunter 1 has also Taunted you). Thought i couldn't test it if it really works that way. Feel free to correct me. What do other People think about Taunt? And yes, i had a Warzone against 4 Powertech and some Assassins who spamed Taunt on Cooldown. It's pretty funny to have a Debuff-bar full of "Taunt". D: Also the annoying thing is that there is no Counter to it. It isn't expensive, it isn't removable, it doesn't increase the Damage done to the Taunter by X, you have no Idea who taunted you, it has no cast time and it has a big range. EDIT: Some suggested Fixes: -Let it fill the Resolve Bar -Make the Target who taunted you very visible. Let them glow red (Only for you) -Give it a Cast Time (Add a Talent in the Tank Tree which changes it to an instant cast) or the easiest but boring solution: -Let Taunt only be usable in the Tank Stance Bool****. Do you want to remove heals from non healers too? Whats next, giving everyone same cc and making them do same damage? There are downsides and upsides to every class , some have taunts some do not , same with heals, but all u need is a 4 damn medals and thats easy for everyone. Takes me 1.5 secs to switch stances and i have to stand still, other classes have it instantly. I am team player , i help my team by doing damage and debuffing others . Jk and SW got other debuffs , every class gets something extra. This is not Clone Wars. Edited March 2, 2012 by Shogunjedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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